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Post by annedw on Jan 3, 2010 16:03:32 GMT
Link to the other Taylors, my line. minerahistory.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mineragwynfryn&action=display&thread=235&page=1Thomas seems to be the brother of Samuel Taylor. 1851 HO107; Piece: 2503; Folio: 691; Page: 27 Nant Thomas Taylor 41 Stonemason b Wrexham Elizabeth 43 b Ruthin ? ( Derwen) Carolin 11 errand girl b Wrexham Richard 8 b “ Samuel 5 b “ Elizabeth 2 b “ 1861 RG9; Piece: 4284; Folio: 67; Page: 10 Penygelli Road. Elizabeth Taylor wid 52 stone cutters wid. b Derwen Richard son 18 stonemason b Bersham Samuel son 12 “ Harriet dau 9 1871 Class: RG10; Piece: 5655; Folio: 98; Page: 42 Penygelli Rd Elizabeth Taylor wid 63 ? b Derwen Richard son unm 28 stonemason b 1843 ? Thomas g son 4. b 1867 1881 RG11; Piece: 5515; Folio: 103; Page: 38 Penygelli Rd Elizabeth Taylor wid 69 b Mer. Richard son 34 mason b Bersham Thomas Taylor G son14 leadmine lab b Bersham 1891 Penygelli Road. Elizabeth Taylor 82 b Derwen mer. Thomas Taylor g son 24 stone scabbler b Nant 1891 RG12; Piece: 4614; Folio 97; Page 42; Middle Rd Nant. Richard Taylor 44 Stonemason b Coedpoeth Margaret 35 b Ainsdale Lancs. Margery Ellen 10 b Ainsdale Elizabeth 7 b Birkdale Thomas 5 b Ainsdale Richard Lewis 1 b Coedpoeth 1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 109; Page: 29 21 Penygelli Rd. Richard Taylor 51 free stone mason b Coedpoeth c 1850 Margaret 45 b Ainsdale Margery 20 “ Elizabeth 17 b Birkdale Thomas 15 collier b Ainsdale Richard 11 b Coedpoeth Maggie 8 b Coedpoeth Beatrice 2 b Coedpoeth. This Thomas seems to be the grandson from 1871/81/91 living with Elizabeth, but who is his father ? 1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 109; Page: 29 Living at next door 20 Penygelli Road. Thomas Taylor 34 free stonemason.b Nant c 1867 Eveline 37 b Wrexham Eveline 7 b Nant Thomas 6 b Nant Harold 2 b Nant
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Post by annedw on Jan 3, 2010 16:07:42 GMT
Pic by Tom Elizabeth Taylor died April 13 th 1895. Richard Taylor the son of Elizabeth, Margaret Taylor the wife of Richard. Living at Penygelli Road. Attachments:
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Post by tominera on Jan 3, 2010 21:20:26 GMT
Thomas Taylor b abt 1885 Ainsdale married my wifes grandmothers youngest sister Margaret Hughes b 11 10 1878 Farndon in Wrexham Reg. Office 5 9 1905 Witnesses were William & Hannah Roberts her sister and brother in law. Margaret was living in Birkenhead in 1911 when her father died in New Brighton, Minera and was informant on death certificate. Apart from verifying Richard was Thomas's father I cannot think of any other useful info--please ask if required as I may have it, got plenty on the Hughes side--Tom Ps I would appreciate Richard's marriage and Margarets surname?
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Post by tominera on Jan 3, 2010 21:37:40 GMT
Margaret Hughes was living in 22 Walnut Cottages, Stansty, Wrexham and Thomas Taylor was living in Medway Rd. Rock Ferry in 1905 when they got married.
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Post by jojo on Jan 5, 2010 1:13:59 GMT
I would appreciate Richard's marriage and Margarets surname? Hi Tom I did a bit of rooting round Free BMD. As you can imagine there were quite a few Richard Taylor marriages in Lancashire with Margarets on the same page, but I think this might be the correct one because of the daughter Margery Ellen. marriage W.Derby March Q 1883 8b.686 Richard TAYLOR and with a Margaret FORMBY on same page birth Ormskirk March Q 1881 8b.817 Margery Ellen FORMBY Heather
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Post by annedw on Jan 5, 2010 15:24:02 GMT
I might be well off the mark with this. is Margery E , actually 3 years old or might she be 3 months/ weeks / days I can only find the same Birth entry as Jojo. Searching from 1877 onwards . Marjery would be Margarets sister. 1881 RG11; Piece: 3746; Folio: 154; Page: 8; 56 Liverpool Rd, Formby. Thomas Rimmer 22 ag lab b Ainsdale Marjery Rimmer 20 wife " Alice Rimmer 1 dau " Margaret Formby 27 sister in law washerwoman , un married. " Marjery E. Formby 3 neice Ainsdale, Lancashire,
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Post by tominera on Jan 5, 2010 18:41:15 GMT
Hi, Thanks for this--I will study and mull over all this before I decide but I am sure it is the right people- Am I losing it or is Alice a neice to Margaret rather than a sister Thanks again Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 5, 2010 18:55:06 GMT
OOps, my mistake . ;D Margery and Margaret are indeed sisters. Marriages Sep 1879 W.Derby Formby Margery RIMMER Thomas
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Post by tominera on Jan 6, 2010 15:43:01 GMT
Hi, No problem as I have now put all the relevant info into tree and filled some more empty spaces so thanks again to whoever helped-Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 7, 2010 11:42:56 GMT
Baptism: 21 Jun 1885 St John, Ainsdale, Lancashire, England Thomas Taylor - Child of Richard Taylor & Margaret Born: 3 Jun 1885 Abode: Mill Lane Occupation: Mason
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Post by tominera on Jan 7, 2010 17:06:11 GMT
Thanks again-another gap filled-Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 12, 2010 17:52:06 GMT
Margaret Formby was the daughter of Lewis Formby and Margery. 1891 RG12; Piece: 3029; Folio 108; Page 13 LydiateOrmskirk Richard Rimmer 36 ag lab b Ainsdale Mary 34 “ Margery M 10 “ Esther E 6 “ Esther 6 “ Elizabeth 4 “ James 1 b Lydiate Lewis Formby widower 69 father in law b Don`t know 1881 RG11; Piece: 3746; Folio: 155; Page: 10; Farm, Liverpool Road, Formby Michael Eccles head 43 farmer b Formby Louis ( Lewis) Formby 53 widower farm servant b Italy 1871 RG10; Piece: 3872; Folio: 129; Page: 15 Liverpool Road Formby Lewis Formby 45 ag lab b Whalley Lancs. Margery wife 55 b Ainsdale Margery dau 9 “In other census records Lewis is born Italy . 1861 RG9; Piece: 2759; Folio: 5; Page: 6; Ainsdale Lewis Formby 40 ag lab b Italy Margery wife 45 b Ainsdale Ellen 12 “ Margaret 6 “ Mary 3 “ John Sawyer stepson 19 ag lab b Formby. 1851 HO107; Piece: 2196; Folio: 348; Page: 3 Lewis Formby 30 ag lab b Italy, Margery 35 wife b Ainsdale c 1816 John Sawyer 9 son “ b c 1841/2 Thomas Sawyer 7 son “ Rodger Sawyer 5 son “ Ellen Formby 2 dau “ b 1848/9 Margery Ellen, daughter of Margery was baptised at St Peter's ,Formby on 23 January 1881, no fathers name is given.
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Post by annedw on Jan 12, 2010 18:01:24 GMT
Margery - wife of Lewis. Birth 1816 Ainsdale. Death 30 September 1877 Ainsdale.
St James in Toxteth Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: June qtr 1848 FORMBY * Lewis / LLOYD Margery Toxteth Park, St. James FORMBY * Lewis / SAWYER Margery Toxteth Park, St. James Lewis' father was named as Thomas Formby, occupation - tailor,
The reason for the two names is that Margery was Margery Sawyer, she was the widow of Thomas Sawyer, a labourer of Ainsdale, they married at St Peter's in Formby 29/6/1835. They had 5 children, John 1835, Peter 1838 John 1841 Thomas 1843 and Roger 1846 all baptised at St Peter's. Thomas was probably the son of John Sawyer, a farmer of Birkdale, he died in 1847.
Margery was the daughter of Peter Lloyd and Margaret Livesley who married in 1813 both aged around 24 years. She was baptised in 1816 at St Peter's, Formby.
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Post by annedw on Jan 12, 2010 18:22:53 GMT
Lancashire Look ups. 1891/1901 census look-up - RIMMER « on: Tuesday 27 November 07 11:20 UTC (UK) »
I have been put in touch with a lady in Liverpool, she posted a request on R Chat over 2 years ago . When the census records showed that Lewis was born Italy, this was her reply. I have changed it to 19, as it was an error.
Congratulations! in just a few short hours while I was out this afternoon you have confirmed a family legend from over 175 years ago.......The Baby on the Beach......... In the early 18 ( 19th )th century an Italian ship left the port of Liverpool and was wrecked in Liverpool bay in a terrible storm There were no survivors. The following morning a person walking on Formby beach came across a tiny baby boy lying on the sand. A local family took pity on the orphaned infant and brought him up as their own, giving him the surname Formby, the place where he was found. He grew up a fine, dark haired young man and married a local girl, passing his name and complexion on to his children. We had no record of his christian name nor the family that took him in, just the story passed down. I wonder where the name Lewis came from? Perhaps the name of the person who found him? Is there an entry for him in 1841 before he married?
1841 HO 107/519/8 folio 12 page 17 Formby William Formby, 75, "Ind", b. in county Wm Kershaw, 20, Ag Lab, b. in county Lewis Workhouse, 15, no occupation given, b. "Foreign"
Now since I found Lewis linked to the Taylors, the search started again, and this 1841 record was found. Surely this must be Lewis. So what happened to him, was he taken to the workhouse when he was found, and later taken in by the Formby family, then took their name. Liverpool lady has done all she can to solve the mystery, She`s searched Maritime records for a likely shipwreck, baptism records, this is what she told me.
Hi Annette, no there is no written evidence, in fact I have tried very hard to find any info on the ship, even using Lloyds of London and local shipwreck experts but nothing obvious. The story was passed down the Rimmer family and the gentleman in his 80's who told it to me was told it by his grandmother Margery, daughter of Lewis. He has always been curious and was as pleased as punch when I told him there was some evidence for his grandmother's Mediterranean looks.
What a great story , and a challenge .
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Post by eluned on Jan 12, 2010 19:05:16 GMT
What a wonderful family history, it makes for a very interesting read.
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Post by tominera on Jan 12, 2010 21:02:55 GMT
Hi, It gets better all the time so please dont stop now- Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 13, 2010 12:14:05 GMT
That`s all I have, Liverpool Lady has searched in vain, so I supppose it`ll have to remain that way. Of course any of Richard and Margarets children will also have Lewis as an ancestor. There could even be descendants still in the area,
1901 21 Penygelli Rd. Richard Taylor 51 free stone mason b Coedpoeth c 1850 Margaret 45 b Ainsdale Margery 20 “ Elizabeth 17 b Birkdale Thomas 15 collier b Ainsdale Richard 11 b Coedpoeth Maggie 8 b Coedpoeth Beatrice 2 b Coedpoeth
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Post by ann35a on Jan 15, 2010 18:52:18 GMT
Unless Liverpool Lady has already done so it may be worth dropping an email to Formby Civic Society to see if anyone there can throw any further light on the story. Formby is one of my main family research areas and there is quite a lot of good local history material and knowledge around. The contact for your enquiry is Barbara Yorke. Her email address is:
yorke@formbycivicsociety.org.uk
Ann
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