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Post by janrichard on May 6, 2011 11:16:54 GMT
Hi
Does anyone know anything about George Thomas Williams b 1879 Lived Talbot Road Wrexham on 1911 census with Annie Williams, Hilda and Mary Maurice. 1955 e/roll living at 63 King Street Wrexham
Jan
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Post by annedw on May 6, 2011 14:18:18 GMT
Where and when were these people born . George Thomas Williams is a common name. Was George married to Annie, what was his occupation Do you have a house number for Talbot Road . The more we know , the more we can try to help. These are buried at Wrexham Ruabon Road Cemeetry. WILLIAMS. GEORGE THOMAS age 76 . 63 KING ST,WREXHAM 12/06/1956 Grave No 10751 A cross check for more Williams in the same grave came up with none. They will check at the cemetery office for you to see if there is anyone else buried with him. These ladies are together in another grave. MAURICE HILDA age 71 died MAELOR HOSPITAL WREXHAM 04/06/1964 Grave No 00585 MAURICE MARY age 81 died DENBIGH HOSPITAL DENBIGH 04/04/1974 Grave No 00585 It looks like these were twins bless `em. Births Sep 1892 Maurice Mary Birkenhead 8a 556 Births Sep 1892 Maurice Hilda Birkenhead 8a 556 Cheshire BMD narrows it down to Tranmere, Wirral MODIFIED, these are in the same grave as the twins.MAURICE HANNAH MARIE age 84 63 KING ST WREXHAM 29/01/1949 Grave 00585 (b c 1865) MAURICE JAMES HAROLD age 53 63 KING ST WREXHAM 21/05/1949 Grave 00585 (b c 1896 ) Births Free BMD Births Jun 1896 Maurice. James Harold Wrexham 11b 259 1901 RG13; Piece: 1443; Folio: 128; Page: 39. 112 Newcomen Road, Wellingboro` Northamptonshire. Emily Coles, Head 40 S machine , boot closer (Working on own account.) b Northampton Annie Johnson boarder M 36 " B Mould ( Mold) N Wales Hilda Maurice boarder 9 b Birkenhead Mary Maurice 9 "" Oh well, another mystery
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Post by annedw on May 6, 2011 15:22:22 GMT
Free BMD births Dec 1879 Williams George Thomas Wrexham 11b 265 Mar 1879 Williams George Thomas Chester 8a 450 It would be worth checking the papers for an Obit.
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Post by eluned on May 6, 2011 21:38:25 GMT
Hi Jan Newspaper obituaries can carry a lot of information. They frequently list attendees and people sending flowers, even giving family links and where they are living Good luck
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Post by annedw on May 7, 2011 7:26:54 GMT
The plot deepens. In 1911 George Williams is living at 13 Talbot Road. He is 33 , a colliery carpenter at Hafod colliery and was born in Ponkey ( Ponciau ) Annie Williams age 42 born Mold is his wife . I can`t make out how many years they have been married, it may be six. There have been four children born, one died , three still alive. Hilda and Mary Maurice are `daughters`age 18 b Birkenhead. Hilda is an apprentice bookkeeper , so obviouly educated, Mary is an improver at dressmaking. Now - to me Annie Williams is the Annie Johnson from 1901, place of birth is the same. As for the rest of the relationships Where is the other child still alive, is it James Harold Maurice. How is Hannah Marie connected. She is too old to be a sister.
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Post by annedw on May 7, 2011 11:20:45 GMT
Births Jun 1896 Maurice. James Harold Wrexham 11b 259
Where is this child in 1901 and 1911
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Post by nellie on May 7, 2011 13:24:20 GMT
In 1901 Jame Harold Maurice is living at 32 Rhosddu Road Wrexham and is also there in 1901. In 1911 he is Harold Maurice and in 1901 he is James H Muriel. His mother is Hannah Marie Jones born c 1865 in Mold daughter of David and Margaret Jones
1871 census Mary Ann Square, Wrexham Abbot David Jones 27 Margaret Jones 27 Hannah Maria Jones 6 Sarah Ann Jones 5 William Jones 3 Louisa Jones 1
1881 8 Vicarage Hill Wrexham David 37 Mgt 38 Wm 13 Louisa 11 Helena 7 Elizabeth 6 Jane 4 Florence 1mo
1891 10 Vicarage Hill Margaret 50 Sarah A 24 Wm 23 Louisa 21 Elizabeth 16 Jane 13 Florence 10 Mary 8
By 1901 Elizabeth is Elizabeth Crabtree and Sarah, William, Jane and Mary are also living there with their widowed mother.
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Post by nellie on May 7, 2011 13:31:50 GMT
James Harold Maurice died 2nd quarter 1949 and Hannah M Maurice died 1st quarter 1949. I cannot find a marriage of Hannah Maria Jones to a Maurice or Morris but will keep on looking..
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Post by nellie on May 7, 2011 13:35:33 GMT
Forgot to mention that Hannah Maria Jones was born in Mold which suggests that she is probably Annie Johnson and could be hiding from Mr Maurice!
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Post by eluned on May 7, 2011 13:53:03 GMT
Well done nellie 32 Rhosddu Rd RG13/5224/40/22 Margaret Jones wid 56 b.Ireland Sarah Jones daur 34 dressmaker b.Mold William Jones son 32 gardener b.Wrexham Elizabeth Crabtree daur mar 26 folder in printing works b." Jane Jones daur 24 dressmaker b." Mary Jones daur 19 bookkeeper b." James H Muriel g.son 5 b."
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Post by annedw on May 7, 2011 16:41:55 GMT
Flippin eck !!!!!!!!!! well done Nellie. Eluned, all the Maurice`s are in the same grave MAURICE HANNAH MARIE age 84 63 KING ST WREXHAM 29/01/1949 Grave 00585 (b c 1865) MAURICE JAMES HAROLD age 53 63 KING ST WREXHAM 21/05/1949 Grave 00585 (b c 1896 ) MAURICE HILDA age 71 died MAELOR HOSPITAL WREXHAM 04/06/1964 Grave No 00585 MAURICE MARY age 81 died DENBIGH HOSPITAL DENBIGH 04/04/1974 Grave No 00585 Are we still looking for Hannah Marie Jones / Maurice / Annie Johnson in 1881 /1891 ? I`m confused.
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Post by eluned on May 7, 2011 17:19:11 GMT
I was thinking that as Annie isn't a direct ancestor of Jan's, she wouldn't be interested in researching her.
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Post by eluned on May 7, 2011 17:28:16 GMT
Annie's twin girls would be step relatives but perhaps George is James' father so he would then be a half blood relative. It doesn't look as though any of them married so unless they had any children out of wedlock its looking unlikely there are any descendants. It may be interesting to see what she was up to though ;D
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Post by annedw on May 8, 2011 7:32:54 GMT
Has anyone spotted that link in occupations. 1901 Jones girls are bookeeper, dressmakers, and printing works. 1911 Maurice girls are bookeeper, dressmaker. 1955 Brian Williams who is supposedly George`s son was also working in printing when he was at 63 King St Back to George Thomas Willams b c 1878/9 Dec 1879 Williams George Thomas Wrexham 11b 265 ?? In 1911 George Williams is living at 13 Talbot Road. He is 33 , a colliery carpenter at Hafod colliery and was born in Ponkey ( Ponciau ) Would Ponciau be Wrexham or Ruabon reg district ?WILLIAMS. GEORGE THOMAS age 76 . 63 KING ST,WREXHAM 12/06/1956 Grave No 10751
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Post by annedw on May 11, 2011 8:43:17 GMT
It would be worth getting George` death certificate, the name of the informant could be a vital clue . It could have been his son. and hopefully Brian. Two of the Maurice family have already died, and Hannah Marie / Annie was the only other one there.
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Post by janrichard on May 11, 2011 18:07:52 GMT
Hi Anne
Thanks for that. I will order a copy of the death certificate and see if that will reveal any more information.
Jan
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