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Post by taffy265 on Mar 9, 2012 18:07:29 GMT
Hi, I am researching my family tree, and have discovered through the 1911 census that my ancestor Thomas Hughes who married Catherine Kelly in Minera in 1862 had 10 children born alive and 3 who had died, between 1862 and 1911, I have found 8 of the children on the census records. I have tried Minera parish registers but no luck there could anyone give me some advice=se on how I could try to solve this puzzle?. Many Thanks Garion
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Post by tominera on Mar 9, 2012 21:32:07 GMT
Hi and welcome to the site. I think we need to know a bit more re the family first before being able to identify the missing children etc.- Please can you confirm if these are your Thomas & Catherine buried in Coedpoeth Cemetery Plot 570---Thomas Hughes aged 75 yrs died 16 6 1918 bur 20 6 1918 & Catherine Hughes aged 78 yrs d 17 8 1922 b 21 8 1922 as it would give us some positive dob etc and these people are found in 1871 to 1911 censuses with several of their childrens names and ages etc. Good luck Tom
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 10, 2012 10:42:59 GMT
Hi Tom, Yes these they are my ancestors, I have obtained both death certificates, their marriage entry from the Minera parish registers, a birth certificate for Catherine Kelly, she was born 23-November-1843. There is no birth certificate for Thomas Hughes, only baptism record i could find for a Thomas Hughes with a father called Shadrach was in Llangynhafal on 04-September-1842 mother Ann. Which matches the 1851 Census. I do have a birth certificate for my great great grandfather Shadrach Hughes son of Thomas and Catherine who was born in 1875. Many Thanks for your help. Regards Garion
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Post by eluned on Mar 10, 2012 11:31:39 GMT
Hi taffy265! Catherine Kelly was my gt grandmother Hannah's sister
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Post by eluned on Mar 10, 2012 13:25:03 GMT
This is a photo of Thomas Hughes. Attachments:
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Post by tominera on Mar 10, 2012 13:30:48 GMT
Hi, Great pic for Garion---Found this baptism in the Coedpoeth Wesleyan Circuit---Shadrach son of Thomas & Catherine Hughes, Sychnant, Wrexham--born 22 9 1875 bapt. 14 11 1875.-Regards Tom
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Post by eluned on Mar 10, 2012 13:30:49 GMT
Obituary translated from Yr Cylchgrawn (Wesleyan Methodist Magazines Coedpoeth Circuit) Mr Thomas Hughes, Gwynfryn. This is the name of the man who's portrait is seen in the Circuit Magazine this time and he wholly deserves the honour. Our brother Thomas Hughes is not one of those men who has been seen on the various boards and committees of the circuit but nobody was ever more faithful, even through grave difficulties, to his home church and his duties as a church officer. Religion throughout the country owes a great deal to men of his kind. He was born in Gyllifor, Dyffryn Clwyd, in 1841, so by now he's getting on a bit. His mother and father were Shadrach and Ann Hughes, and he attended Hirwaen chapel until he was 10 years old. The deacon there was Robert Jones, father of Henadur Boaz Jones of Denbigh. At the age of 10, he moved with his parents to Minera and it was Penbryn Chapel, Minera that he attended from that time until about five years ago. He therefore attended Penbryn Chapel for the vast period of 53 years. For twenty of those years, he lived in Sychnant, on the side of Minera mountain, and walked two and a half miles to chapel through all weather, often through deep snow. And his wife didn't let him go alone, but also went with him through all weathers. He has been a sunday school teacher since he can remember. He was also treasurer of Minera church (chapel?) for 19 years. He was made a deacon immediately after the last appointment of the current Inspectors of the Circuit and nobody was ever more faithful to his duties as a deacon. About 5 years ago, he moved from Penbryn to Gwynfryn. He is a regular and faithful attendee there too. When work was in preparation to start a chapel in Gwynfryn, Mr Thomas Hughes lent a house in which school could be held for about 3 or 4 years. After moving there, there was only a short while during which he didn't give his time as a teacher and deacon. He enjoys working for Jesus Christ. There are by now 47 years since he married. The sister of Rev. John Kelly is his wife, and she has been a strong comfort to him over the years. They raised a houseful of children. This family's story is the same as almost every other family in the area - some here and some there. But some of them stay in the area of their birth, faithful to the cause. We are sorry that our subject has not been in good health recently. We wish him a complete recovery and many years to come to serve his church and Lord."
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Post by eluned on Mar 10, 2012 13:41:28 GMT
Hi, Great pic for Garion---Found this baptism in the Coedpoeth Wesleyan Circuit---Shadrach son of Thomas & Catherine Hughes, Sychnant, Wrexham--born 22 9 1875 bapt. 14 11 1875.-Regards Tom Thank you Tom I haven't got that one! I am almost sure that the chapel at Hirwaen, in the parish of Llanbedr DC, would be Bethel Wesleyan Chapel which opened in 1802.
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Post by eluned on Mar 10, 2012 13:48:27 GMT
With regard to your initial inquiry about the children who you haven't been able to locate, I have also only found 8 born between 1863-1885!
Because of the strong Wesleyan connection we can assume that any baptisms of their children would have been in Penybryn chapel or within one of the other chapels within the circuit. Unfortunately I doubt that these are still in existence.
There are the circuit registers from 1855 and also Yr Cylchgrawn magazines 1888-1967.
Perhaps Tominera will turn up some more baptisms for us!
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Post by eluned on Mar 10, 2012 14:08:11 GMT
Any burials would most likely have been in Minera church, Rehoboth Chapel or Coedpoeth Cemetery.
Again Yr Cylchgrawn may show burials for Rehoboth Chapel as no records are available.
modified to correct a typo!
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 10, 2012 14:15:43 GMT
Hi Tom and Eluned, I cannot thank you both enough for the help and the information that you have both given me. I never thought that i would ever see a photograph of Thomas Hughes or ever learn so much about him. Again many thanks Garion
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Post by tominera on Mar 10, 2012 20:30:57 GMT
Hi, This is "my" list of the childrens names which you can adjust or add to or correct please? HUGHES Catherine Ann b abt 1865 HUGHES Mary b abt 1867 HUGHES David b abt 1869 HUGHES John b abt 1871 HUGHES Shadrach b abt 1875 HUGHES Ruth b abt 1879 HUGHES Elizabeth J b abt 1882 HUGHES Thomas b abt 1885 I have found a burial for a Shadrach Hughes aged 42 yrs died 30 3 1917 bur 4 4 1917 Plot 568 Coedpoeth Cemetery which makes his dob spot on---Tom
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 10, 2012 22:30:42 GMT
Hi Tom, I have got all of those as well, Plot 568 in Coedpoeth Cemetery my great great gran Sudney Humphreys who married Shadrach Hughes on the 5th July 1899 in Llanarmon yn ial, she remarried Owen Humphreys in 1921. And her brother Benjamin Garner Evans is buried with them. Shadrach and Sudney had 5 sons, Evan Thomas, Edward Arthur, David Isaac, Benjamin Garner (my great granddad) and Gwynfryn Thomas Hughes. Would there be baptisms for all 10 children of Thomas and Catherine Hughes in the records (along with shadrach)? Best wishes Garion
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 10, 2012 22:42:33 GMT
Hi, This is the only Baptizm for a Thomas Hughes i can find that goes along with the info i have got. Attachments:
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Post by eluned on Mar 10, 2012 23:48:05 GMT
His obit gives his place of birth as Gellifor and also his parents names as Shadrach and Ann so it looks a good match to me. What year is the baptism and where did it take place please?
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 11, 2012 9:13:56 GMT
1842
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Post by eluned on Mar 11, 2012 10:38:57 GMT
Hi Garion Where did the baptism take place please, Llanbedr maybe? Have sent you my contact details via PM, awaiting a reply! Would love to know a little more about the Hughes family
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Post by tominera on Mar 11, 2012 13:52:17 GMT
Hi, I have drawn a blank re-baptisms and can only tell you were they are not-sorry. They are not in the Wern Registers, Minera Church, Bwlchgwyn Church, Bethesda Bwlchgwyn Register 1866-1929, Salem Coedpoeth nor in the Coedpoeth Rehoboth Circuit Registers. I do not think they are in "The Cylgrawn" either as most of them would have been too early for the copies that are available. It maybe as Eluned has already pointed out that there were registers in Penybryn which do not seem to have survived as far as I know. -Just ask if you want a particular burial and I will gladly help if I can. Tom
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 11, 2012 15:18:08 GMT
Thank you very much Tom, you have been a great help as i would not have had a clue were to start!. An Update re Ruth Hughes i have located a birth cert i have got for her,(as far as i can tell Thomas only regesters shadrach and ruth's births) she was born on the 17th August 1878 pool park mine minera. She appears on the 1881 census aged 3 which ties in, but is absent on the 1891 census. I think she may have died because she would have been 13 yrs in 1891 and i do not think she would have married.I have been to wrexham register office and there are only two deaths of a ruth hughes recorded within these years neither of thier fathers were Thomas nor were they from minera. could you help me with this?
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Post by eluned on Mar 11, 2012 17:43:08 GMT
If her death wasn't registered then perhaps she hadn't died 1891 Minera RG12/4617/90/9 Martha E Michell 36 Laura J Michell 7 Ruth Hughes servant 12
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Post by tominera on Mar 11, 2012 18:29:40 GMT
Hi, I could not find any burials of Ruth in all the usual places--Tom
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Post by nellie on Mar 11, 2012 22:17:40 GMT
Hi, Ruth Hughes married John Thomas Greasley in 1898 in Wrexham. They were lving in Bury? St, Wrexham in 1901 census . Ruth born 1878 Sychnant and John born in Bilston Leicestershire. This seems to be the same Ruth. Nellie
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Post by nellie on Mar 11, 2012 22:34:01 GMT
Hi again, John and Ruth were still in Wrexham in 1911 and had no children. John Thomas Greasley died in 1912 and Ruth married Austin Samuels in 1916. There are a number of Samuels/Hughes births registered for Wrexham so it is difficult to say whether they had any children. Ruth Samuels died in 1963. Hope this helps. Nellie PS Ruth was born in Minera according to the 1911 census
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 12, 2012 9:11:19 GMT
Hi All, Thank you for this another mystery solved, according to her birth cert she was born in pool park mine Minera (probibly park house) Cheers Garion
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 12, 2012 9:33:27 GMT
Quick update, have been looking through my files over the weekend and i have got a Death Certificate for Shadrach Hughes, (Thomas's Father). Who was accidentally killed in a stone quarry in Minera on the 25th may 1854 he was 64 yrs old. he is buried in minera church, i contacted a church warden and i am meeting her on the 14th mMarch at 2pm to try and locate the grave. trying to find any other info on this accident i have had to draw a blank.
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Post by eluned on Mar 12, 2012 13:16:17 GMT
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 12, 2012 17:45:01 GMT
Cheers Eluned, for this should make the search a bit easier. I have emailed you again tonight.
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Post by eluned on Mar 12, 2012 19:01:18 GMT
At least you'll have some idea if there is a stone or not. Have sent a pm.
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Post by tominera on Mar 12, 2012 19:53:05 GMT
Hi, I have these headstone pics filed and have identified most of them, however there are about 5 I could not read enough to place with a particular burial. I am sorry to say neither of the Shadrach Hughes's who are buried in Minera appear to have a headstone but I really do hope I am wrong and would love to see a pic of Shadrachs Grave.---Tom
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Post by taffy265 on Mar 12, 2012 22:15:57 GMT
Thanks Tom, if we can locate it i will send you a photo. I have also been to Coedpoeth cemetery, I have located the grave of Shadrach, un marked. And the grave of Thomas and catherine Hughes again unmarked but these are an either or as there are two graves next to each other which they could be the cemetery attendent was a great help. when i am up there next i will take photos and send you copies of them. Best wishes Garion
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