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Post by tominera on Dec 16, 2012 20:16:35 GMT
Hi, Just in case anyone checks up on the details regarding my previous search for David John Jones I would like to make it clear that I realise John David Jones born 1890 in Esc Ab is the one I am really seeking. (The military search being a stab in the dark so to speak) JDJ was born Sep q in Mount Pleasant, New Brighton Minera and the family were in Queens Head Row in The Smelt, Coedpoeth in 1891 Census. His mother Sarah died in 1893 and is buried in Minera also his sister Sarah died before 1901 and his father David remarried in Minera Church 1895 to Mary Ann Hughes (He died in Sep 1912 and is buried in Minera-probably with his first wife and daughter)JDJ is living with his father and step mother in 1901 in Tyn y Wern, Esc. Ab. age 11 years but I have not been able to positively find him after that so would welcome any help preferably without spending Thanks Tom
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Post by annedw on Dec 17, 2012 16:30:05 GMT
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Post by annedw on Dec 17, 2012 16:47:36 GMT
This is from a Tree on Ancestry. Does it match.
John David Jones Birth Bwllgwyn 1890 2 May Death 1959 12 May aged 69 Wrexham 12 May Father David Jones born 1859, no father mentioned. Mother Sarah Chesters born 1861 Tryddyn
John is married to Mary Elizabeth Pugh, Birth 30:08:1898 in Farndon - died 06:02:1976 Wrexham
Marriages Dec 1922 Jones John D Pugh Chester 8a 802 PUGH Mary E Jones Chester 8a 802
Children Mary Jane Jones 1923 - 1957 Lilian May Jones 1924 - 2012 Another is private so may still be alive.
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Post by tominera on Dec 17, 2012 17:15:12 GMT
Brilliant ;D He is definitely the one and I thought he was born in Mount Pleasant but they could be correct with his birth place if they have better info than me, as I always thought he was born in New Brighton seeing he put Esc above in his 1901 census returns as his place of birth--but that does not really matter now as I have got sme great info from you---Thanks again Tom
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Post by annedw on Dec 17, 2012 18:46:33 GMT
From the same tree. First wife Sarah Chesters 1861 – Children Sarah Jane Jones b1887 Bersham – John David Jones 1890 – 1959 Second wife Mary Ann ? b 1868. Children Edward Daniel Jones b 07 .1899 Coedpoeth– Margaret E Jones b1901 Frondeg – Mary Ellen Jones b 1904 New Brighton – John David Jones and Sarah Pugh had 3 children , one in blue is private , so I guess he is still alive. Mary Jane b 1923 married George A James. b 1922 Holt - died 2006 Rhyl. Lilian May b 1924 ( Free BMD has MAR 1925) married Harold Hughes 1912-1997 The tree owner is a Marian James, in Nottinghamshire and there are no names added after George A and Mary Jane, so it seems they are living. This is her profile Tom Taylor married my Nana`s sister. What a coincidence, I knew him well. My name is Marian James,I was born in Chester,lived most of my growing up life in Wrexham.now live in Nottingham, have 1 son. I have now retired. I worked in Tom Taylor's, Mount St. Wrexham for 3 years with a girl called Brenda - also Myvanwy.I have family in Australia - Donald and Maureen.I have an aunty May and uncle Cyril,other cousins Paul, etc, Her age is 60 + There are a few children Jones with Pugh as mmn born in Wrexham that may be the same family. I`ll leave it to you to sort them out
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Post by tominera on Dec 18, 2012 17:14:27 GMT
Hi, Thanks, and I am already putting some of the info in and will get around to the rest later-- I would be able to fill in some of the missing info if anyone ever requires it Thanks again Tom
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Post by tominera on Dec 31, 2012 20:21:02 GMT
Hi, If anyone has the opportunity to obtain details of the obituaries in Wrexham of the following I would be more than grateful. Mary Jane James died Dec Q 1957 aged 34 years John David Jones died 12 5 1959 aged 69 years Mary Elizabeth Jones died 6 2 1976 aged 77 years Lilian May Hughes died 2012 aged 88 years. Otherwise I will visit the museum in a few weeks time hopefully--Thanks Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 1, 2013 12:43:57 GMT
Published in the Leader on 26th April 2012 (Distributed in Mold) HUGHES. - Lilian May, April 18th, 2012, suddenly in hospital, aged 87 years, of Rhostyllen. Beloved wife of the late Harold Hughes, dear sister of Cyril, a loving sister-in-law, auntie and great auntie. Funeral Service at Pentrebychan Crematorium on Wednesday, May 2nd at 3.30pm. Family flowers only please, donations in lieu gratefully received for Morris Ward, Wrexham Maelor Hospital. www.yournotices.co.uk/16301710?s_source=nwnm_el
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Post by tominera on Jan 1, 2013 19:09:04 GMT
Thanks again Annette---I can add a few more facts to my tree and it also gives me the name of the missing sibling possibly still alive, which I will persue later on hopefully. Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 2, 2013 19:01:45 GMT
Hi, Can anyone find the marriage of Harold Hughes 1912-1997 to Lilian May Jones 1925-2012. I cannot supply any real help at this stage and hope they married locally. I have found the marriage of her sister Mary Jane Jones 1923-1957 to George Alfred James 1922-2006 in St Giles Mar Q 1947 so I will be off to the museum soon to hopefully find some more details. Thanks Tom
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Post by eluned on Jan 2, 2013 21:09:09 GMT
Marriages Mar 1962 Wrexham Harold HUGHES to Lilian M JONES
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Post by tominera on Jan 3, 2013 15:09:51 GMT
Hi, Thanks Lynn--I was looking much too early It must be my age Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 3, 2013 20:14:10 GMT
Hi, I did find Marian James also has a tree on Genes and she has allowed me access. The downside is it has a lot less info than the details Annette obtained from Ancestry. I am now awaiting a reply to my request for more info--Regards Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 11, 2013 18:56:40 GMT
Hi, I obtained Mary Jane Jones aged 23 yrs marr today to Alfred George James aged 24 yrs on 10th March 1947 in St Giles Wrexham, but I failed miserably to find any of the obituaries---of course there may of not been any in the Leader. However I am now in touch with Marian James, John Davids grandaughter and hope to share/swop info in the very near future. Thanks to all who contributed in any way---really appreciated Regards Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 18, 2013 20:13:23 GMT
Hi, I have now received some more info from Marian but John David Jones's sister Sarah Jane Jones born Bersham aged 4 yrs on the 1891 census remains a mystery She is not with the family in 1901 and I have always presumed she died but have not been able to positively identify any exact deaths with correct age. i.e. there is a Sarah Jane Jones from Coedpoeth buried in Minera 1900 but her age is 17 years. Also there is a S. J. J. aged 14 yrs on the 1901 census as an adopted daughter to John Price Edwards And his wife Ann in 3 Bryn Nebo, Bwlchgwyn. I could not find this family in the 1911 census but there is a Sarah Jane Jones who marries an Arthur Andrew in Bersham Church 1915. Does anyone know if there are any Parish records available for Bersham Parish Church abt 1915. Hoping some fresh minds will find something. Thanks Tom
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Post by eluned on Jan 18, 2013 22:57:30 GMT
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Post by tominera on Jan 19, 2013 15:16:28 GMT
Hi, Thanks again, I did check with the Palmer Centre re the marr to Andrew and Sarah Jane 's father was named Richard so we can forget that one. I will try to find the family from Bwlchgwyn next in 1911 so that I can eliminate that one. I still think she died young as there does not seem to be any memory of any reference to her by existing descendants. Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 21, 2013 16:59:11 GMT
North Wales BMD 1884 Wrexham, Civil Marriage EDWARDS John Price JONES Ann
ROBERTS Benjamin WM/027/8 ROBERTS Lydia
Maybe a connection with Sarah Jane Jones. Aunt perhaps
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Post by tominera on Jan 22, 2013 14:17:48 GMT
Hi, Thanks again! Sarah Jane's father David only had one brother as far as I know and his name was James Jones marr to Sarah Jones. James had a grandchild named Sarah Jane Jones b 1905. I really need to find out age and who the father is of the one who died in 1900 and is buried in Minera just in case the burial record age is wrong--will the reg office part with these details I wonder. Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 22, 2013 16:04:32 GMT
Hi, Just putting this original entry on-----to have some feedback re the age of Sarah Jane Jones-----I have always read this as 17 but if it was 12 it would solve problem---could not find anyone aged 17 in deaths with same name but maybe others could. Thanks Tom Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Jan 22, 2013 20:18:06 GMT
Deaths Mar 1900 Jones Sarah Jane 12 Wrexham 11b 236 Looks like the parish clerk made a mistake. Attachments:
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Post by annedw on Jan 22, 2013 22:49:25 GMT
If it`s of use a Hy ( Henry) Hulmes lived at 8 Manley Road in 1911.
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Post by tominera on Jan 23, 2013 15:34:50 GMT
Hi, I have just established David Jones was at the death of Sarah Jane Jones in 8 Manley Rd. Coedpoeth in January 1900 so we have certainly got the right one ;D Thankyou to anyone who helped along the way---I am just wondering who lived in 8 Manley Rd in 1901 and is it poss to find out somehow from the census. Her father David is living in Tyn y Wern, Esclusham Above in 1901. I am more than happy to be able to put all these facts in now so Thanks Again Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 24, 2013 15:05:59 GMT
1901 Bersham dist 5 image 15 ( Ancestry) RG 13 / 5219 page 14 8 Manley Rd. Margaret Hughes wid 55 b Denbigh ,Yspytty Ifan Thomas LL " stepson S 31 leadminer b Coedpoeth William C Johnson boarder 22 leadminer b Bangor is y Coed
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Post by tominera on Jan 24, 2013 19:21:13 GMT
Hi, Thanks again--This has satisfied my curiosity regarding who lived there about 1901 just in case it was the Hulmes family or a relation looking after Sarah Jane since her mother died etc. Will put this to bed now so thanks again-Tom
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Post by tominera on Feb 22, 2013 19:09:45 GMT
Here is a pic of John David Jones and his wife's headstone in Rhostyllen Parish Church Cemetery just in case it may help someone else in the future. Attachments:
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Post by tominera on Feb 24, 2013 10:46:19 GMT
Hi just realised the link to Bersham Church-Genuki is in fact Berse Church so I still need to know if there are any Parish Records for Bersham Parish Church--could not find it on Genuki. Found a pic of it on Clwyd Family History but no mention of records. Appreciate I can always ring the Palmer centre to find out which I may do this week.
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Post by eluned on Feb 24, 2013 21:01:08 GMT
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Post by tominera on Feb 24, 2013 21:37:52 GMT
Hi, Yes that is the one and still no mention of records is it because it is a private chapel etc ?
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Post by eluned on Feb 24, 2013 22:22:53 GMT
Yes that will be the case. As the records possibly haven't been deposited with the archives, you may need to contact the church direct. You could check with the archives though as no doubt people will have queried this before and they may well know the answer
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