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Post by frankm on Aug 20, 2016 21:25:14 GMT
Not really a local issue but I am hoping someone has had a similar situation. Although as the family involved are from Market Drayton, Shropshire there could be a connection.
William Snapes b abt 1804 d 1865 wife Rebbeca b abt 1811 d 1875 | | Sarah Snape 1821–1892 William Snape 1823– ------------------------> Elizabeth Snape 1826- | Hannah Snape 1828–1829 | Sampson Snape 1830–1834 | Samuel Snape 1835–1910 | William Austin b abt 1826 d 1871 | William b abt 1849 | James b abt 1853 | Elizabeth b 1856 ------------ She is in the 1861 census then can't find her. | Clara b abt 1861 | Hannah b 1863 d 1947
The puzzle is why did all the family change their name to Beech. What ever happen seems to have happened between 1871 & 1881. In 1871 census, William is alive and the family all called Austin. William dies later that same year. In the 1881 census if (I am right) Elizabeth and Clara are in Stoke on Trent. Now they are known as Beech. There is an Anna Beech working as a servant for John Poole (draper) in Newcastle under Lyme. His wife Elizabeth is from Market Drayton. James, by 1881 is married (as Austin) but is now Beech. William (1849) is the only one still using Austin in 1881. Have not been able to follow him until 1901 when he is now William Beech.
Any ideas?
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Post by annedw on Aug 26, 2016 10:44:19 GMT
So , William Austin married Elizabeth Snape. I can`t see a marriage. If their first child was William b 1849, then it would be before then. Where are they in 1851.
This is all I can find.
Registration Year: 1848 Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep Registration district: Oswestry William Austin Charlotte Davies Margaret Davies Richard Edwards Margaret Malaney Peter Mitchell
I`m guessing this is the first son, it might be worth getting the birth certificate to check mothers maiden name.
Births Dec 1848 Austin. William Mt Drayton 18 111
Here they are in 1861 Drayton. All children b Drayton.
William Austin 38 bricklayer b Drayton. Elizabeth Austin 30 washerwoman b Prees William Austin 12 James Austin 8 Elizabeth Austin 4 Clara Austin 1
1871 Little Drayton
William Austin 45 bricklayer b Market Drayton Elizabeth Austin 44 b Prees William Austin 22 bricklayer James Austin 18 Clara Austin 11 Hannah Austin 7 Rebecca Snape 76 mother in law b Prees
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Post by annedw on Aug 26, 2016 12:30:57 GMT
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Post by frankm on Aug 26, 2016 13:38:57 GMT
Thanks annedw, I do have quite a lot of this information. No can't find the marriage or the 1851 census, both would be nice. What I'm looking for are ideas :-( Why would a family all change their names. Some kind of scandal, manner of William's death, did he die leaving debts, when he died did they find out he was really William Beech. I've tried newspapers but nothing so far. There does appear to be another son Christopher born 1865, baptised 17 November 1865, died 1870. William (son) baptised 26 September 1848
Yes I have found the rootsweb post, thank you. No reply from the e-mail but it is from 2012. When Hannah marries she marries as Hannah Austin Beech, father William Austin Beech. Most of the children still seem to hang on to the Austin in some way which perhaps suggests not a scandal? I don't know that this can be solved by records search. A family story that is probably gone forever. Thanks again.
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Post by annedw on Aug 29, 2016 13:26:41 GMT
Something to ponder on . Could these be brothers, with no parents around. Could they have been taken in by an Austin family, and used their name, then reverted back to the original name of Beech. Perhaps if you can find baptisms, or maybe the marriage of Samuel and Ann might have some clues. Just a thought.
1841 Walk Mill Cottages . Drayton in the Hales Market Drayton. Shropshire William Beech 15 b Shropshire, England Samuel Beech 15 b Shropshire, England Elizabeth Jones 5 b Shropshire, England
No relationship given between these three.
Is this the same Samuel, now named Austin and same occupation as William . 1871 Red Bank Row, Little Drayton, Market Drayton Samuel Austin 49 brick labourers lab b Market Drayton, Ann Austin wife 52 William Lewis boarder 4
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Post by frankm on Aug 29, 2016 21:06:34 GMT
Thanks for that. Its a great idea, its something I had n't thought of. What you've found looks very promising. I will try to fill in more details if I can. Well worth following up. Thanks again.
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Post by frankm on Aug 30, 2016 13:00:07 GMT
William & Samuel are living with James & Ann Goslin in 1841. In 1830 James Gosling marries Ann Beech so presume a relationship there. Will do some more research & come back with an update. I have found the christenings for all the children except Hannah. At Little Drayton, Father William Austin Mother Elizabeth. Think I have found Hannah now doing this research. All the same details as to location etc. but Hannah Beech, Father William Beech Mother Elizabeth. The birth index is Hannah Austin.
Thanks again for the ideas
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Post by nellie on Aug 30, 2016 18:40:53 GMT
Hi Frank, James Gosling died in January 1848 in Little Drayton and his widow Ann Gosling married Thomas Poole 3rd May 1852. On the marriage certificate it says she is the daughter of Edward Austin. I think it is safe to assume that Ann Austin married a Beech, the father of Samuel and William Beech. I then found the marriage of Samuel Beech and Ann Austin 28 April 1826 in Stoke on Trent. I have been unable to find a death for Samuel Beech senior so maybe he disappeared and she bigamously married James Gosling. Samuel may have come back looking for his family so they changed their names. You mentioned a John Poole in Newcastle under Lyme so there may be a family connection there with Thomas Poole. Good luck with your further investigations, Nellie
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Post by frankm on Aug 30, 2016 23:26:40 GMT
Thanks nellie, All that sounds good. I thought the change had started much later but this seems much more likely. The Poole connection is good, I thought that as Elizabeth (Poole) was born in Market Drayton she would have known the family. That may be true but the possible family connection through Ann would be better still. A lot to work on now, Thanks
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Post by frankm on Sept 6, 2016 13:09:27 GMT
Thanks for the help on this one. Still a bit of a puzzle but the question I asked - Why the change to Beech seems to have been answered. I had no connection to the Beech name, it just seemed to suddenly appear. Now I have some connection between the names.
To recap :- In the 1841 census - Samuel and William Beech are with James & Ann Goslin(g) James Gosling married Ann Beech in 1830, believe Ann to be the boys' mother. James dies in 1848, Ann Gosling, widow, daughter of Edward Austin, marries Thomas Poole. I have followed the John Poole I mentioned and while I have not found a direct connection, according to various census, the Poole family originated in Shropshire. The marriage of Samuel Beech and Ann Austin 28 April 1826 in Stoke on Trent seems to be a problem. Both boys appear to have been born before this date. If this was the case Samuel may not have been their father and they would probably have been christened as Austin. This would give a reason for reverting to Austin. A bit more new information. Samuel Beech dies in 1826 and is buried on the 5th July in Little Drayton. Now for something which may or may not be a coincidence. Both Samuel Beech and James Gosling appear to have been Army Pensioners. The ages given on the Army records tie up with the age of both when they die. In 1816 Sam is 28 according to his army record and when he dies in 1826 he is 38. In 1822 James is 30 from his army record and in 1848 when he dies he is 56.
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