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Post by llosgi calch on May 29, 2007 8:06:47 GMT
This thread is solely for members to provide links to the CWGC site, to share their respective information of ancestors/ or past residents of the area who lost their lives fighting for their country.
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Post by llosgi calch on May 29, 2007 8:07:58 GMT
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Post by ann35a on May 4, 2008 14:31:22 GMT
Members may like to know about the The Wargraves Photographic Project which is aiming to photograph, and make available, photos of the graves/headstones of British subjects who lost their lives in war or peace keeping missions since 1914. This includes those buried in the UK as well as in the war cemeteries around the world. Around 850,000 photos, of the total of nearly two million, are available at present. I photographed and submitted all those in Wrexham cemetery and most in Coedpoeth so know these are available. There are none in Minera churchyard. If the photo you want is not available the Project will try to find a volunteer to take one for you if you know where it is. The Project is run by volunteers. It can be accessed direct at www.twgpp.org or via the CWGC website. There is a name search engine on the site.
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Post by eluned on May 4, 2008 15:07:23 GMT
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Post by tudorstyle2003 on May 4, 2008 22:57:10 GMT
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Post by eluned on May 5, 2008 7:51:43 GMT
Cadwaladr Herbert Jones, 2nd Lieutenant R.F.A. Injured in France and was sent home. Died in Brymbo, 24th Sept 1918. He was my Dad's cousin.
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Post by Hen Locsin on May 5, 2008 13:18:13 GMT
George Arthur Osborne Corporal, Royal Marines Light Infantry, killed in the infamous Zeebrugge Raid. Buried in Belgium, my wife's uncle.
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Post by annedw on May 6, 2008 13:56:41 GMT
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Post by ann35a on May 7, 2008 9:44:30 GMT
Hello Lynne have you any more information about Cadwaldr Herbert Jones? I photographed the graves at Brymbo and his grave wasn't listed there. There is a Cadwaldr Jones buried in Wrexham but the other information you have doesn't fit. I can't find him on the CWGG indexes either. Ann
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Post by eluned on May 7, 2008 12:54:18 GMT
Hi Anne, I did try to notify the CWGC but didn't have much luck I'm afraid. Cadwaladr is buried in Brymbo churchyard in a family grave not a commemorative one. I can send you further details if you are interested. He is listed on the War Memorials at Brymbo and Alexandra Junior School (I haven't seen this one personally and am unsure where it is currently located cos was told it may have been moved due to school closure?). He worked at the school as a master before joining up in 1914. Thankyou, Lynn
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Post by ann35a on May 8, 2008 8:26:12 GMT
Hi Lynn Have found unrecorded family 'war' graves in other cemeteries and had them listed. If you would like to send me a direct message with any details you have and an idea where the grave is in Brymbo churchyard I will take a photo next time I am up in that part of the world I can then submit it through the war graves photographic project and see if we can get him properly recorded with CWGC through that route. Ann
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Post by eluned on May 8, 2008 14:20:04 GMT
Ann, I have sent you a PM, Lynn
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Post by annedw on May 9, 2008 14:18:57 GMT
You might have spotted that I`m trying to put the certificates of all the men named on Coedpoeth War Memorial. I AM STRUGGLING Many names I can`t find, and now I`m down to the Jones, Williams, etc. which is even more difficult. Why are these names from the memorial not on the CWCG site, anybody know.
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Post by ann35a on May 11, 2008 15:31:54 GMT
There are several reasons why you may be having difficulty finding the casualties on the CWGC site. This site mainly contains information about casualties in graves that the CWGC 'looks after' such as the large cemeteries in France and other parts of the world, plus graves in the UK where they were involved in the provision of a gravestone.
One reason a casualty may not be listed is that the body was not recovered or could not be identified so the person has no known grave. This is more likely to be a reason for Ist World War casualties. The second reason may be that the the CWGC was not involved in the provision of a stone. My understanding is that the family could request an official commemorative headstone or a contribution towards the cost of a family gravestone. If the family already had a grave they may not have request help so quite a few burials in family graves were not recorded by the CWGC. They are usually pleased to hear of graves that are not in their records so they can be added, though as Lynn has discovered this doesn't always happen quickly.
The only sure way of tracing the people whose names are on the war memorial but not listed by CWGC is to access their personal military records at the National Archive Kew, though I believe some regiments have archives and may be able to help if the regiment is known. Another avenue that sometimes works is to look the person up in the lists of those who received Campaign Medals. These can be accessed online through the National Archive Website and I understand are now also available on Ancestry.
Hope this helps.
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Post by annedw on May 11, 2008 17:50:34 GMT
I have found that there are many `obituaries` in the Wrexham Advertiser giving lots of detail. The only drawback here is that it would mean looking through 4 years of newspapers. I found a very touching obit for my Gt Uncle Joseph O Wilcoxon.
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Post by annedw on Jun 27, 2008 13:46:42 GMT
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Post by annedw on Jun 28, 2008 10:27:19 GMT
JOHN BELTONwww.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=300058Hilary has found that John was part of her family, and has obtained lots of details about him that she has passed on to me. From Ancestry Military Records: John Belton Minera 24 Yrs, 8 months Quarry Man, Lime Works Minera Lime Works Company Gorse, Gwynfryn, Minera Single 5’ 5” . 36” chest expanded Normal vision. Well developed physique 8th April 1913, Coedpoeth 4th Batallion, Royal Welsh Fusiliers . private 7189 200403 Cpl John Belton Deceased Father – Thomas Belton, Lime Works, Minera Mother – dead Brothers Robert Belton, 45, 68 King Street, Abertidwyr? Cardigan Thomas Belton, 38, 101 Abercynon Road, Glamorgan George Belton, Eisteddfod, Bwlchgwyn Sisters Alice Edwards, 31, Salson? Road, Coedpoeth Mary Wilson, 33, Twenty Houses, Minera Signed by Thomas Belton, father, of lime works, Minera, this 10th day of January 19… at Minera Lime Works (This information for the plaque and scroll) Thomas Belton received the Memorial Scroll and Kings Moasage: Thomas Belton, platelayer, Lime Works, Minera See also letter from sister, Mary E Wilson, the medals and 1914 star were sent to her at 5 Twenty Houses, Coedpoeth. He served at home from 11/4/1913 to 4/11/1914, = 1 yr, 208 days He served in France from 5/11/1914 to 22/3/1918, = 3 yrs, 138 days Total service = 4 yrs 346 days 1914 Star British War Medal Victory Medal 10/1/1916 promoted to Lt Cpl 1/10/1916 promoted to Cpl Royal Welsh 1/4th Fusiliers, died of wounds received in action, at 5th London Field Ambulance, France. 22 Mar 1918 From 1901 census Belton, 16 Ruthin Road Thomas Belton, head, married, 53, labourer in lime works, born Minera, living at 16 Ruthin Road, Bwlchgwyn, Ann Belton, wife, married, 57, born Mold, Thomas Belton, son, single, 22, engine cleaner, Minera, George Belton, son, single, 17, no occupation listed, born Minera, Alice Belton, daughter, 14, born Minera, John Belton, son, single, 12, born Minera, Walter Isaac Belton, son, single, 10, born Minera John was the youngest of quite a large family, son of Thomas and Ann Belton. Thomas had been a brakesman at the lime works, Minera, but later the family moved to Bwlchgwyn once at Maes Maelor, once recorded at that end of Bwlchgwyn, in cottages long since disappeard. He was a rockman at the limeworks when he received papers in 1913. His older brothers had moved to South Wales (a lot of the Bwlchgwyn young men went there to work in the deep mines between about 1890 and WW1). He had been home on leave in the January before he was killed and had told his sister, Mary Eliza Williams, who lived at 5 Victoria Terrace, Minera, that if anything happened to him, she was to get whatever was due to him, and his will, apparently, requested the same. It was such a surprise to see a copy of his sister’s letter on Ancestry. Thanks to Hilary for this information.
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Post by annedw on Sept 29, 2008 21:20:12 GMT
I have found that there are many `obituaries` in the Wrexham Advertiser giving lots of detail. The only drawback here is that it would mean looking through 4 years of newspapers. I found a very touching obit for my Gt Uncle Joseph O Wilcoxon. When I found this it said that at first the family had been informed that Joseph was wounded. Later they received a letter from a Charles Spillman , he said that Joseph had in fact been killed. Charles went on to say that Joseph was `the best chum in the world` he had taken his bible, watch and other items from Joseph body and they would be sent to the family. Then he had later walked five miles to grave of his `chum` to place a cross on the grave. I decided to try and find what happened to Charles, he wasn`t on the War Graves site, so must have survived. A couple of weeks ago I found his name on Genes ReUnited. I`m now in touch with Christopher Sims, Charles was his Gt Uncle , he has sent me photos of Charles marriage in the 1920s. Chris said he never been told of Charles time in WW1, and it makes me wonder if the horror was just too much to recall. It`s a very strange feeling for me to be in contact with somebody who`s relative was such a great friend to one of my own family.
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Post by colcon on Oct 6, 2008 9:15:59 GMT
RICHARD BARTLEY Bwlchgwyn and Co Durham
A name included on a Memorial erected by The Wheatley Hill Workingmen's Club (Wingate, Co Durham) listing those from that area killed in the Great War 1914-1918 is that of Richard Bartley.
Richard Bartley was born in 1893 at Waen Fawr(Llanarmon Road), Bwlchgwyn and was one of the many children (at least 9) of Jesse & Mary Bartley.
Jesse Bartley was a son of William Bartley, Nantyffrith, Bwlchgwyn, and Mary was a daughter of Richard Williams, a cattle/pig dealer and a publican at the Four Crosses Inn, Bwlchgwyn for more than 30 years.
Four of Jesse & Mary Bartley's known children were born at the Queen's Head, Coedpoeth, three at Waen Fawr and two more were born after the family moved around 1894 to County Durham.
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Post by eluned on Apr 9, 2009 19:38:08 GMT
Private David John Jones b.abt Mar 1888 Service no.6474, 4th Bat Royal Welsh Fus. 5ft 3in tall, chest girth 33.75in Employed Broughton Colliery Address 16 Kent Rd, Lodge, Brymbo unmarried. Enlisted Coedpoeth 2nd June 1909, Territorial Force Training 24-7-1909 to 7-8-1909 and 27-7-1912 to 10-8-1912 Embodied 5-8-1914 Posted 6-1-1915 Attached to 23rd Field Coy R.E. 25-2-1915 Total service 5yrs 285 days Military History Sheet Home 2-6-1909 to 8-1-1915, 5yrs 221 days France 9-1-1915 to 13-3-1915, 64 days Campaigns- Expeditionary Force France Fathers details crossed out- Mr (D) Jones, ?Tabor, Alberta, Canada brother T.Jones 12 Bright St. Killed In Action 13 Mar 1915 8-4-1920 form signed by brother Thomas re:names and addresses of relatives of the deceased, possibly requested for a commemorative scroll and plaque. no wife, no children, father deceased, mother's details left blank brothers: William 40yrs, 8 Tanyfron Rd Thomas 36yrs, 12 Bright St, Wrexham sister:Nellie W(al)ker, 30yrs, 5 Smithy Rd, Penygelli 27-11-1920 Mrs E.A.Davies signed for his 1914-15 Star WW1 medal of School House, Pentrellyncymer, Cerrigdruidion, Corwen 10-4-1922 ditto re: Victory medal/British War Medal 6-6-1924 Verification of details sent to his brother Mr W Jones, 8, Tanyfron Rd, Re:Le Touret Military Cemetery www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=261860
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Post by jojo on Apr 10, 2009 4:47:56 GMT
May God Bless Private David John Jones and the many thousands like him
I think this is his family
1901 Census RG13/5220/136/28 Brymbo David Jones, head, age 49, Coal Mine Deputy, employer, born Denbs. Adwy Harriet Jones, wife age 48, Bersham Richard Jones, age 24 Elizabeth Ann Jones, age 22 William Jones, age 20 Elizabeth Gittins, stepdau.age 21 Thomas James Jones age 18 David John Jones age 13 Hannah Jones age 11 Kate May Jones age 4
David Jones & Harriet Gittins were married Sep Q 1899 Wrexham Civil Harriet Gittins appears to have been the w/o Edward Gittins who died age 41 in Mar Q 1895
1891 Census RG12/4614/48/15 8 Glanyfron Road, Southsea David Jones, age 39, Coal Miner, worker, born Debs. Adwy Catherine Jones, age 37, wife, born Denbs. Penygelli Richard Jones, son, age 14, Coal Miner, born Denbs. Talwrn Elizabeth A Jones, dau, age 12, born do William Jones, son age 11, scholar, born do Mary Jones, dau, age 10, scholar, born do Thomas J Jones, son, age 8, scholar, born do Margaret J Jones, dau, age 6, born do Ellen Jones, dau age 4, born Denbs. do David J Jones, son age 3, born Denbs. Southsea Hannah Jones, dau, age 1-1/2, born Denbs, Southsea Emily Davies, niece, age 20, domestic servant (out of employment) Denbs. Adwy.
David John Jones parents marriage could well be this Wrexham Civil marriage from Jun Q 1876 David JONES & Catherine JONES
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Post by susanjane on Aug 9, 2009 23:03:28 GMT
John Henry Roberts www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=171224 My great uncle, brother to my grandmother on my fathers side.My father was born in 1914 in Manchester so possibly never saw this uncle. His father lost 2 brothers and a third didn't ever really recover from the ordeal.On my mothers side 4 men were lost. All these lost men, their going made more poignant with the funeral of Harry Patch last week at Wells Cathedral, Somerset. Sue
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Post by eluned on Nov 6, 2009 18:03:04 GMT
Pte Edward Williams www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=684507Enlisted Wrexham 11th Jan 1915 No.31080 2 Poplar Place, Adwy 20yrs 1mth collier, unm Height 5ft 4.25in, chest 36in, expansion 3in Weight 131 lbs Small scar right cheek Methodist Father William Williams Royal Army Medical Corp K coy, then J coy. Trained at RAMC Centre, Llandrindod Wells. Transfered to 3rd Royal Welsh Fus 2.6.1915 Posted 8th RWF 26.10.1915 K.I.A on 5.1.1916, Galapoli His possessions were sent home. There appeared to have been some mix up with a John Edward Williams. Letters were sent in Feb 1916 to Mrs Mary Williams, 1 Garden Place, Southsea and William Williams, 2 Poplar Place, Adwy asking if their sons transfered from the RAMC to RWF and for them to supply their Reg nos. if so... There is a letter sent from his father asking for this to be rectified. Mother Elizabeth Williams Brother Evan Thomas Williams 30yr " Herbert Williams 27yr " John Percy 25yr Sister Mary C. Williams 24yr All living 2 Poplar Place Sister Maggie Jones 31yr, 7 Poplar Place His father William signed for his medal on 10 Aug 1919
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Post by jojo on Dec 23, 2009 4:58:20 GMT
Private John Owen Williams www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=822141Attested May 10, 1915 Joined at Llandudno May 11, 1915 No. 26028 17th Bat. Royal Welsh Fusiliers Age 19 years 7 mnths Occupation Miner Killed in Action at the Somme July 6, 1916 One of 72194 men memorialized at Thiepval Memorial Per declaration signed by father Levi Williams Sep 1, 1919 Mother Sarah Ann Williams Brothers Richard Francis age 26 Aruthur Williams age 9 Sister Annie Williams age 15 1 Manley Road, Coedpoeth
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Post by annedw on Dec 23, 2009 11:30:22 GMT
1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 79; Page: 14. 4 Manley Rd. Levi Williams 33 coalminer b Rhosllan Denbs. Sarah Ann Williams 28 b Coedpeth Richard Francis Williams 8 " John Owen Williams 5 " Sarah Elizth Jones 14 servant b Southsea. Marriages Jun 1891 Wrexham Sarah Ann Francis / Levi Williams
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Post by jojo on Dec 24, 2009 1:59:17 GMT
Private John Owen Williams was first cousin to Private John Richard Francis, who gave his life Aug 4, 1917.
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Dec 24, 2009 11:27:34 GMT
Private John Owen Williams was also nephew to Private Abel Williams (son of Evan and Margaret Williams) who also lost his life in battle on 15th September 1917. WREXHAM ADVERTISER TWO COEDPOETH SOLDIERS KILLED IN ACTION On Monday morning, Coedpoeth inhabitants learnt with deep regret of the death in action of two popular local men. Mr. Robt. Hughes of Helyg Shop, High Street was on the previous Saturday informed in a letter from a Chaplain that his nephew, Gunner Robert Hughes, had been wounded in the thigh, and was seriously ill. The hopes that were entertained of his recovery were destroyed by the receipt on Monday morning of a War Office telegram that Gunner Hughes died two hours after his admission to hospital. He was a native of Bryneglwys, and lived for over 12 years with his uncle and aunt, Mr and Mrs Hughes, of Helyg Shop. Joining the colours in April last he went to France with the Garrison Artillery only about a fortnight before his death. He was an active member of the Bethel C.M. Church, and took part in all religious work in the village. His death at the age of 28 is mourned throughout the locality. Official news arrived the same day to Mr Evan Williams, of Nant Square, Coedpoeth, that his son, Pte. Abel Williams, had been killed in action on Saturday, Sept 17th, and was buried on the following day. Pte. Williams, who was 39 years of age, was for many years employed with Mr Isaac Roberts (grocer), of High Street. He was one of the most popular local preachers in the local Wesleyan Circuit, possessing a wide knowledge and a forceful delivery. Upon his departure to Sunderland some years ago, he continued his religious work, amongst his fellow countrymen there. Enlisting in the Durham Light Infantry, he went to France over 12 months ago. His nephew, Pte. J. Owen Williams, of Manley Road, was killed in action a few months ago and his brother, the late Mr William Williams about this time met with a fatal accident near Tanyfron. Deep sympathy goes out to the father, who is about 80 years of age, and the family.
Can I ask, how was Private John Richard Francis connected to the family?
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Post by tudorstyle2003 on Dec 24, 2009 22:12:48 GMT
Hi there. I would also like to know how John Richard Francis was connected to the Williams family. He was my great Uncle. Thanks Deb
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Post by jojo on Dec 25, 2009 23:03:47 GMT
Hi all
John Owen Williams parents Levi Williams & Sarah Ann Francis g parents Evan Williams & Margaret ? g parents Richard Francis & Sarah Jones
John Richard Francis parents Thomas Francis & Sarah E Roberts g parents Richard Francis & Sarah Jones g parents Jesse Roberts & Naomi Davies
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Post by tudorstyle2003 on Dec 26, 2009 11:05:46 GMT
Hi jojo Thanks for that. As far as I know, Richard and Sarah Francis had three children: Thomas, Margaret and Jane. Thomas was my great grandfather. I believe his sister, Margaret, married Thomas Lloyd in 1888. I'm not sure if Jane married or if so to whom. Deb
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