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Post by John Hughes on Jan 12, 2011 14:44:22 GMT
thanks elunid/pierce/annedw, annedw she died on the 27-8-1915 @5 southsea road southsea broughton r.d.
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Post by annedw on Jan 12, 2011 17:26:39 GMT
I`m just putting the family deaths together to make it simpler Thomas Hughes killed at Gatwen colliery in 1887 Robert Hughes died Oct 1884 age 8. Hugh Hughes died March 1891 aged 12. Margaret Hughes died at 5 Southsea Road , Southsea in 1915. 5 Southsea Road is only yards away from the cemetery, but if there was a plot bought for Thomas already used again for the children it would be most likely they are all at rest togther. I`ve found the report on Thomas`s death, this is a shortened version. The Wrexham Advertiser. Saturday, June 04, 1887 Inquest in Thomas Hughes aged 44 a filler at Gatewen Colliery, residing at Poolmouth . Thomas Hughes was at work on the 26th May 1887, when his workmate said he heard him stumble and fall. Thomas said he had fallen on his side, but didn`t complain for the rest of his shift. The next morning Thursday- he went to work as usual and said his side was a little stiff. Margaret his wife said he came home from work on Wednesday and said he was in pain, ate no food and couldn’t sleep on his side, she wanted him to stay at home but he was anxious to go to work. He could eat no food all Thursday, and when he came home from work he had to steady himself on the table as his head was bad. He lay down for a while then went into the garden followed by his little child who came back crying saying his father had fallen. He was carried back into the house unconscious and died soon after. The jury were unanimous and decided it was accidental death, as the second fall was the result of the first fall at work. The Coroner did not agree with the verdict and said that if a similar thing happened he would order a post mortem. Margaret was left a widow with 5 young children. How very sad .
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Post by annedw on Jan 12, 2011 20:02:48 GMT
OK, I`ve got the family from 1881, it seems they stayed in the same place after Thomas`s death in 1887, so are we looking for a grave in the Broughton area. The nearest church is St Pauls, Pentre Broughton, but that wasn`t opened till 1889. So Thomas or Robert can`t be there Next Church will be Brymbo because Broughton was in the ecclesiastical parish of Brymbo. Looking back over the thread it seems they have been checked. There were 18 Non Com chapels listed in Broughton for 1901. If we can find out what denomination the family were, we may have a chance. www.broughton-history.co.uk/page50.html1881 RG11; Piece: 5516; Folio: 68; Page: 26 Pentre Issa Broughton Thomas Hughes 35 labourer b Llandagfan,Montgomeryshire Margaret Hughes 32 b Meifiod Elizth. Ann Hughes 6 b Meifiod Robert Hughes 5 b Rhos Hugh Hughes 2 b Broughton David Hughes 1 b Broughton 1891 RG12; Piece: 4615; Folio 71; Page 36 1891 Pentre Issa Broughton. Marg`t Hughes 44 widow b Pont Robert,Montgomeryshire. E A dau 7 b Llanfair Mont. D`d ( David) son 11 b Broughton Joseph son 8 " " C J dau 4 " 1901 RG13; Piece: 5220; Folio: 107; Page: 12. 2 Richmond Terrace Broughton. Margaret Hughes W 53 b Pont Robert David Hughes 21 coal mine Joseph Hughes 17 waggoner in coal mine. This may be Thomas and Margarets marriage. Llanfylin covers both Llangedwyn and Meifiod. Marriages Jun 1876 Llanfyllin 11b 405 Thomas Hughes Margaret Thomas
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Post by pierce on Jan 12, 2011 20:37:13 GMT
annedw, Can I throw Brake Methodist Church, into the pot.
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Post by annedw on Jan 12, 2011 22:59:37 GMT
You could but check this out first. « Reply #15 on Dec 12, 2008, 5:08pm 1911 and Mrs Margaret Hughes is listed as the occupier at 5 Station Road , Southsea Road, there are 2 males and 1 females in the house. I don`t know if this is the same Margaret as Ancestry only has the Summary Books. It is the same area.
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 13, 2011 12:50:25 GMT
Thanks Annette for the Obit. There seems to be another child according to the obit who I suspect did not survive to the 1891 census as it states Margaret was left with five children, I will have to check b.d.m. for this child. Also I noticed you have obtained a possible marriage date for Margaret and Thomas I have always assumed they 'were living in sin as they say' as Margarets maiden name was Hughes so it would have been very convienient saving money etc on a marriage ceremony, anyway I will send off for that marriage certificate from Montgomeryshire records centre. it will be good if it is the right one. Update on the children of Tom and Margaret to try and confirm there religious denomination although if the marriage certificate is the correct one it will tell me which church they married in. Anyway update on children. 1911 census 5 STATION road. Margaret widow age65. son Joseph married age 27,[where was wife?] adopted son Walter Edwardsage14 born 1897 at Cynwyd? Corwen.
Infomation. son Joseph was married at Wrexham reg office sept 1910 to Elizabeth Ann Pritchard from Brook street Rhos. son David who was my grandfather was re-baptised into the catholic faith two years before his death in 1950 so he must have been a member of the church in Wales? he was married twice to Mary Elizbeth Rice my grandmother who was a catholic first marriage was at Berse church in March 1902, second marriage to Elizabeth was a catholic ceremony on the 26th March 1931 [she passed away in 1933]
Catherine Ann Hughes b1886 married Ishmael Williams from Trydden on the 26th Feb 1916 she was residing according to the marriage certificate at 5 SOUTHSEA road Bersham they also married at the registry office in Wxm.
Elizabeth Ann Hughes b.1874 went on to marry Thomas Davies age 30 at Wrexham registery office in January 1908 there address at the time was STATION road Southsea Broughton.
It seems to me the confusion is the similar addresses of 5 STATION road and 5 SOUTHSEA road is Station rd in Southsea and is southsea road in Bersham?
John Chichester
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 13, 2011 13:05:54 GMT
CORRECTION. Sorry the statement 'Margaret was left with 5 children' is correct in the obit as I forgot Robert passed away in 1884 before his dad was killed in 1887 ..... leaving 5 children.
JOHN.
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Post by tominera on Jan 13, 2011 15:52:50 GMT
Hi, Just to clear up 5 Station Rd location---Just checked Margaret Hughes in Enumerators page for 1911 and it is in New Broughton - as we know it locally. Good Luck Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 13, 2011 16:00:47 GMT
Station Road, Southsea doesn`t ring any bells with me, but there was a Police Station in Southsea. Looking again at 1911 census there is 2/3/4/5/6 Station Road, the property before is Western Villas, which also seems to be number 1. I know this is on Southsea Road. my Uncle lived on New Road. www.mouseprice.com/property-for-sale/ref-5503560Southsea Road, Bersham that doesn`t sound right. Unless Southsea was still classed as being in the parish of Bersham. Berse Church is shown here on Genuki with some more info about the area. www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/Berse/#RegistrationIf you are 100% sure Margarets maiden name was Hughes, this one is a Thomas. Could she have been a widow. Marriages Jun 1876 Llanfyllin 11b 405 Thomas HUGHES Margaret THOMAS It`s all a bit confusing.
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Post by tominera on Jan 13, 2011 19:08:02 GMT
Hi, Just a thought but the family seemed to use Berse Church which is also in New Broughton. I also noticed that Thomas's marriage lasted 15 years and as he died in 1887 --in theory he would have wed in 1872 and the only marriage I found was in Rhayader in 1871 to a possible Margaret Price---Just food for thought and some bait for more experienced people than me-Cheers Tom
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Post by eluned on Jan 13, 2011 19:25:51 GMT
It so happens I'm visiting Rhayader next week so if you can locate a burial before Thursday, I'll check for grave stones
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Post by annedw on Jan 13, 2011 21:34:21 GMT
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Post by annedw on Mar 9, 2011 15:21:49 GMT
Nothing about Margaret Hughes burial in the Advertiser.
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Post by John Hughes on Mar 26, 2013 14:23:43 GMT
I was wondering if someone on the list will be visiting the Palmer centre in Wrexham in the near future I need a look up in the local newspapers for one of my reletives to see if there was an obituary for him, he was............. Ishmael Williams died in Wrexham in the December quarter of 1944 aged 70 years. He was not buried at Wrexham cemetary so I believe he might have been buried at Trydden? Hope there is someone who can save me a journey from southern England to Wrexham [although it would be nice to visit the old place again.] Regards John Hughes
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Post by annedw on Mar 26, 2013 15:22:07 GMT
The only one I can find on North Wales BMD is this one, but he is registered Ruabon,
North Wales Death indexes for the years: 1944 WILLIAMS Ishmael - Ruabon Wrexham County Borough (Wrexham) RBN
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Post by John Hughes on Mar 28, 2013 11:15:41 GMT
Dear Annette. I was looking for an obituary in the local papers possibly held by the Palmer centre to save me a 500 mile trip to Wrexham, I was inquiring if any member was going there and would mind looking for Ishmael's obituary if it exists. Ishmael Williams died in the December quarter of 1944 hense his obit could be in the newspapers possible date range October 1944 till about March 1945. John from Chichester Sussex.
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Post by eluned on Mar 28, 2013 20:11:32 GMT
Hi John Annette is just pointing out that the death was in Ruabon, is this where Ishmael lived please? Also 3 months of newspapers is an awful big look up ask. If you were able to buy the certificate and provide the date of death, the look up would be far easier and more people would be willing to try. Sorry Eluned
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Post by hilary on Mar 29, 2013 19:04:11 GMT
The Church was All Saints. It was closed and demolished because the land was unstable. The graveyard is well maintained. The Church moved across the road to the Church Hall (fond memories of when we used to go to the Friday night youth club in the 60s) and continues there.
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Post by John Hughes on Apr 6, 2013 11:48:57 GMT
Hi all Just sent off for Ishmael's death certicate .............. will get details to site ...........
John
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Post by eluned on Apr 6, 2013 11:59:07 GMT
OK John and thank you
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Post by John Hughes on Apr 16, 2013 14:44:38 GMT
Hello everyone. I have just recieved the death certificate for ISHMAEL WILLIAMS he died on the 15th December 1944 at 22 Brook street Rhosllanerchrugog if anyone is visiting the Palmer centre in Wrexham can they, if they have time look for an obituary in the local papers I would be very grateful and it would save me a trip from Sussex to Wrexham JOHN
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Post by eluned on Apr 16, 2013 17:49:41 GMT
Hi John Hopefully one of the locals will be able to assist
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Post by annedw on Apr 18, 2013 17:54:40 GMT
I`ll take a look for you, but it will be sometime next week. I`ll have to book a reader. goo.gl/maps/om6i4The two red brick houses are 21 and 23 Brook Street Rhos,. so presumably 22 is on the other side of the road. There is a Chapel ?
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Post by John Hughes on Apr 19, 2013 11:48:01 GMT
Thanks Annette. I have not really looked for the house where he died 22 Brook st Rhos his son present at the death also called ishmael his address was given as 17 off Brook street Rhos will have a look on google earth . anyway thanks for offering a obit lookup John.
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Post by annedw on Apr 19, 2013 14:17:41 GMT
I managed to get a free reader today. Wrexham Leader dated Dec 22. 1944. RHOSLLANERCHRUGOG.Late Mr I Williams. The death occurred on the 15th December of Mr Ishmael Williams aged 70 of 22 Brook Street. He had been in ill health for many years and confined to his home for a long period. His wife predeceased him some few months ago. He leaves seven children and three sisters. The funeral took place on Monday and the Rev Jones Humphreys officiated. Chief mourners were - Mr & Mrs Ishmael Williams. Mr & Mrs Robert Williams. Mr Joseph Williams (sons and daughters in law) Mr & Mrs Roberts. Mr & Mrs Griffiths. Mr & Mrs Hughes. Mr & Mrs Turner ( sons in law and daughters) Mrs A Jones, Ruthin. Mrs Hughes and Mrs L Jones (sisters) also nephews, nieces and grandchildren. From someone who lives in the Rhos area - No 22 was apparently part of a row of cottages that you gained access to from Market St. However I'm told that sometime after 1944 they were demolished. Hope this helps
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Post by John Hughes on Apr 20, 2013 10:10:52 GMT
Thanks Annette. I will start to put the evidence together now ,once again thank you for taking the trouble on my behalf. John ;D
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