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Post by thearb on Mar 12, 2009 20:41:40 GMT
Gummow family.
Would very much appreciate any information, slightly unusual name, incorrectly transcribed in later censuses as Gummon & Greenman etc.
Family of architects who moved up from London in the 1820s, likely names include Michael, William & Benjamin. Some may have been based in Ruabon too, although I understand only Wrexham is available.
Also any other local information on the family, I am a direct descendant,
many thanks
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Post by annedw on Mar 12, 2009 21:12:17 GMT
Hello, I found these in Slaters 1858-59 Wales Directory Gummow Jas R Architect Wrexham fechan Gummow Michl Surveyor Wrexham fechan Gumnow Jas R Joiner & builder Wrexham fechin
1882 Wrexham Directory Mrs S E Gummow , Linden Villas Michael Henry Gummow, insurance agent , 6 Trevor Street.
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Post by thearb on Mar 15, 2009 10:50:07 GMT
many thanks for the notes Ann, that ties in with my records. Michael was James's father, they dies in 1876 and 1877 respectively. Sarah Elizabeth was James's widow and Michael Henry was James's younger brother.
Still keen to hear anything regarding 1841 census.
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Post by annedw on Mar 15, 2009 16:26:01 GMT
I`m sure Llosgi will look for you soon. In the meantime I found this. Pigot & Co.'s Directory of Ches, Cumb ..., 1828-29. [Part 2: Notts - Yorks & N Wales Joiners. Michael Gummow, ( and builder ) Salop Road. William Gummow ( and builder ) Pen Y Bryn.
Also some snippets from the North Wales Chronicle. 1853 Charles Gummow, Fire agent, Ruabon. Jan 29 1856 James Reynolds Gummow , builder of Wrexham applied for bankrupcy. 1857 Feb 21 Newport. William Gummow comitted suicide by poisoning, ( Not sure if he is connected ) 1861 M Gummow, Banker ,Wrexham 1861 M Gummow is dismissed as Borough surveyer . 1894 A Walter Gummow Dodd, of Penybryn, Llangollen is a magistrate
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Post by annedw on Mar 15, 2009 17:34:46 GMT
There`s`s lots of mentions found on Google, these are quite interesting. www.wrexham.gov.uk/assets/pdfs/museum/wrexham_walk_e.pdfPage 2 of this mention the Gummows and that many houses on Grosvener Road , Wrexham were designed by them. The one described as `Graffiti` is a lovely building. Also is called the `Lemon Tree` www.hotelsandguesthouses.net/hotel-121328.htmfreespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/index.html Also this site has these, you will have to search the G`s It`s an index to parish register transcriptions. GUMMON 356 Ruabon: 2 Jul 1853 Burial of William aged 63 26 Nov 1853 Burial of Agnes aged 53 GUMMOW 50: North Wales 1835 Ruabon: Architect: Benjamin Gummow Wrexham: Builder: Michael Gummow, Salop road 57,123,163A,165B,210,317 351: W.H., William Henry; 356 Ruabon: 13 Dec 1875 Burial of Charles aged 46 of Acrefair www.sirddinbych.gov.uk/EC/Place&Su.nsf/0/6b933382c66fadf680256af60037e7b1?OpenDocument&Start=1&Count=1000&ExpandViewScroll down to Wrexham Hints on House Building,by J R Gummow,including plans of Wrexham houses. 1874 DRO DD/DM/357/2
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Post by eluned on Mar 15, 2009 18:36:39 GMT
The Lemon Tree is a lovely looking building which I remember reading about when I stayed there on one occasion.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 15, 2009 19:28:05 GMT
Noswaith dda,
The only Gummow on the 1841 Wrexham town census is a pupil found at...
Brynyffynan School, Hope Street, Wrexham.
Jane Gunnow, 14, yes (born of this county)
Brynyffynan is an all girls school.
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Post by thearb on Mar 16, 2009 12:36:52 GMT
I`m sure Llosgi will look for you soon. In the meantime I found this. Pigot & Co.'s Directory of Ches, Cumb ..., 1828-29. [Part 2: Notts - Yorks & N Wales Joiners. Michael Gummow, ( and builder ) Salop Road. William Gummow ( and builder ) Pen Y Bryn. Also some snippets from the North Wales Chronicle. 1853 Charles Gummow, Fire agent, Ruabon. Jan 29 1856 James Reynolds Gummow , builder of Wrexham applied for bankrupcy. 1857 Feb 21 Newport. William Gummow comitted suicide by poisoning, ( Not sure if he is connected ) 1861 M Gummow, Banker ,Wrexham 1861 M Gummow is dismissed as Borough surveyer . 1894 A Walter Gummow Dodd, of Penybryn, Llangollen is a magistrate Anne, many thanks for this, all invaluable. Michael and William were brothers I believe. I think Charles is William's eldest son. He appears here: www.denbighshire.gov.uk/LL/Personal.nsf/6ddad0754f4a5d6d80256e300057bfc4/b11c32f6e8103d2f8025654e005637b0?OpenDocumentThis also looks like him in Birmingham in 1861, although I can't make out the occuption, maybe someone else can? content.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=view&r=5538&dbid=8767&iid=WORRG9_2120_2123-0770&fn=Charles&ln=Gummow&st=r&ssrc=&pid=20873866I was aware of JRG's bankruptcy, as detailed in the London Gazette, and also Michael's Will makes no mention of him, only his wife, Sarah Elizabeth, which I guessed was because of bankruptcy proceedings. The William Gummow poisoning I had also come across but I can't as yet find a connection: books.google.com.au/books?id=QMLvYkw2_X4C&pg=PA235&lpg=PA235&dq=william+gummow+poisoning&source=bl&ots=NHUvtyKrRT&sig=J1vPclj26nMK5SWPl0M0ZwJRv7c&hl=en&ei=oUW-SdXEB6CSsQOzhvWdAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA235,M1 Walter Gummow Dodd was the third son of William Hartley Dodd and Caroline Gummow (Charles's sister). This was William Hartley's second marrriage, his first was to Caroline's elder sister, Jane Gummow (1792-1835). Not an uninteresting family!
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Post by thearb on Mar 16, 2009 12:45:44 GMT
There`s`s lots of mentions found on Google, these are quite interesting. www.wrexham.gov.uk/assets/pdfs/museum/wrexham_walk_e.pdfPage 2 of this mention the Gummows and that many houses on Grosvener Road , Wrexham were designed by them. The one described as `Graffiti` is a lovely building. Also is called the `Lemon Tree` www.hotelsandguesthouses.net/hotel-121328.htmfreespace.virgin.net/jill.farndon25/index.html Also this site has these, you will have to search the G`s It`s an index to parish register transcriptions. GUMMON 356 Ruabon: 2 Jul 1853 Burial of William aged 63 26 Nov 1853 Burial of Agnes aged 53 GUMMOW 50: North Wales 1835 Ruabon: Architect: Benjamin Gummow Wrexham: Builder: Michael Gummow, Salop road 57,123,163A,165B,210,317 351: W.H., William Henry; 356 Ruabon: 13 Dec 1875 Burial of Charles aged 46 of Acrefair www.sirddinbych.gov.uk/EC/Place&Su.nsf/0/6b933382c66fadf680256af60037e7b1?OpenDocument&Start=1&Count=1000&ExpandViewScroll down to Wrexham Hints on House Building,by J R Gummow,including plans of Wrexham houses. 1874 DRO DD/DM/357/2 many thanks Ann, I have been in touch with Jill Rose last year and she has been of great help. William Gummow, buried 02/07/1853 was an architect and found dead in a coal pit on 27/06/1853, I believe he was Charles's father. Benjamin was William's uncle.
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Post by thearb on Mar 16, 2009 12:50:32 GMT
Noswaith dda, The only Gummow on the 1841 Wrexham town census is a pupil found at... Brynyffynan School, Hope Street, Wrexham. Jane Gunnow, 14, yes (born of this county)Brynyffynan is an all girls school. Thanks for researching this Llosgi, this looks like Charles's elder sister. I was hoping to find a reference to others in the family but it is starting to look like the records are lost for good, Dominic
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Post by annedw on Mar 17, 2009 7:30:05 GMT
If you are just looking for children born before 1837 that don`t appear in PRs ,because transcripts finish at 1812, then I`ll have a look for you next time I`m in the museum, at least Gummow is easier than Jones
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Post by jojo on Mar 17, 2009 9:41:55 GMT
The Ruthin Road Cemetery Memorial Inscriptions have two entries
No. 30 W.H. GUMMOW (builder) died 1832, and
No. 129 William Henry GUMMOW (builder) died June 10, 1832, age 39 years.
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Post by eluned on Mar 17, 2009 9:47:46 GMT
If you are just looking for children born before 1837 that don`t appear in PRs ,because transcripts finish at 1812, then I`ll have a look for you next time I`m in the museum, at least Gummow is easier than Jones Hi There are some new Wrexham PR transcriptions out now Baps 1813-1820, 1826-1835, 1852-1869, 1878-1888 Marr 1813-1823 Burials several books covering years 1813-1860 and 1875-1906
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Post by annedw on Mar 17, 2009 18:01:46 GMT
Thats saved me some work then. ;D I did check from 2 Jan 1813 = 18 July 1820 and there were no Gummows at all.
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Post by eluned on Mar 17, 2009 18:05:10 GMT
They haven't got them at Wrexhan but they'll be at Cefn I guess
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Post by thearb on Mar 19, 2009 11:44:24 GMT
The Ruthin Road Cemetery Memorial Inscriptions have two entries No. 30 W.H. GUMMOW (builder) died 1832, and No. 129 William Henry GUMMOW (builder) died June 10, 1832, age 39 years. Jojo hi, is it possible that these two entries are the same person? If so, I believe it is likely to be William Henry Gummow, brother of Michael, 27/07/1794-10/06/1832.
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Post by thearb on Mar 19, 2009 11:46:38 GMT
If you are just looking for children born before 1837 that don`t appear in PRs ,because transcripts finish at 1812, then I`ll have a look for you next time I`m in the museum, at least Gummow is easier than Jones Hi There are some new Wrexham PR transcriptions out now Baps 1813-1820, 1826-1835, 1852-1869, 1878-1888 Marr 1813-1823 Burials several books covering years 1813-1860 and 1875-1906 eluned, thanks for the info, is this something I can access online or I do need to visit in person?
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Post by thearb on Mar 19, 2009 11:50:20 GMT
Hi There are some new Wrexham PR transcriptions out now Baps 1813-1820, 1826-1835, 1852-1869, 1878-1888 Marr 1813-1823 Burials several books covering years 1813-1860 and 1875-1906 eluned, thanks for the info, is this something I can access online or I do need to visit in person? Jill Rose very kindly sent me some research last year: Jane Gummow b aug 1826 Charles gummow b aug 1829 caroline b oct 1831 william b 22/08/1834 would this be the same source, and are there any other sources I could check that may be of interest? Dominic
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Post by eluned on Mar 19, 2009 12:57:16 GMT
Hi Dominic, The records I mentioned are Wrexham St Giles transcriptions published by the Clwyd Family History Society and aren't available online but you are able to purchase them through the society or view them at their research room. These are the contact details via this link www.clwydfhs.org.uk/ The earlier transcriptions are available at the A.N Palmer Centre, the local studies and archive dept, in Wrexham. www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/heritage/archives/catalogue.htmYou mentioned in your first post that "only Wrexham is available" If you are talking about Parish Registers, Ruabon registers are also available at the above mentioned places. This site is very useful and will give you further information with regard to the Parishes you are interested in ie where they are kept and what years are available etc. www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/DEN/#indexIts difficult to answer your question below, I'm afraid as I am unsure from which Parish/register these were obtained, sorry. Perhaps you have some details of there source? "Jill Rose very kindly sent me some research last year: Jane Gummow b aug 1826 Charles gummow b aug 1829 caroline b oct 1831 william b 22/08/1834
would this be the same source, and are there any other sources I could check that may be of interest?"Also of interest are numerous documents at Denbighshire Record Office in Ruthin. www.denbighshire.gov.uk/en-gb/DNAP-78GL8LIf you check out the personal names and click "g", you can then scroll down until you come to Gummow. You would have to contact them to find out further information Good luck eluned
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Post by jojo on Mar 19, 2009 15:31:12 GMT
The Ruthin Road Cemetery Memorial Inscriptions have two entries No. 30 W.H. GUMMOW (builder) died 1832, and No. 129 William Henry GUMMOW (builder) died June 10, 1832, age 39 years. Jojo hi, is it possible that these two entries are the same person? If so, I believe it is likely to be William Henry Gummow, brother of Michael, 27/07/1794-10/06/1832. Hi - I wondered about that too - It seems like too much of a coincidence doesn't it. The Ruthin road MIs are published by the Clwyd FHS but apparently someone else collected the information so am not sure how you would check. Perhaps someone local will know.
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Post by annedw on Mar 24, 2009 18:32:02 GMT
This is useful. Found in Dissennters Graveyard MI`s, this is on Rhosddu Road, Wrexham. Stones have all ben laid flat or around the walls. Michael Gummow, husband of Sarah, builder, born Jan 24 1802 died May 21 1876. John Reynolds Gummow son of Michael and Sarah Gummow, born Aug 18 1831 died Feb 23 1877. Mary Ann Edwards daughter of Michael and Sarah Gummow, born Aug 18 1831 died Sept 8 1879. Sarah Gummow wife of Michael born Jan 19 1800 died Oct 13 1884. Mary Ann and John Reynolds were twins. Mar qtr 1869 Wrexham Civil Marriage, Mary Ann Gummow married William Edwards I can`t seem to find a likely couple in 1871. The only death entry that matches the age is a Mary Edwards Sept qtr 1879 Christchurch. . In the book by A N Palmer on the Non Conformity of Wrexham, the Gummows are mentioned. As some of the family became non conformist then they won`t be in the PR`s. www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/alfred-neobard-3n-palmer/a-history-of-the-older-nonconformity-of-wrexham-and-its-neibourhood--being-the--mla.shtmlFound in Clwyd Strays Marriages. Feb 11 1810. Benjamin Gummow of Rhuabon, married Mary Ellis otp. Eccleston
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Post by eluned on Mar 26, 2009 14:53:39 GMT
Hi thearb Have sent you a Personal Message
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Post by annedw on Mar 26, 2009 16:11:34 GMT
1851 Wrexham Fechan
Michael Gummow 49 builder b St Margarets Westminster Middlesex Sarah Gummow wife 50 b Wrexham Michael Henry Gummow son 21 bookbinder apprentice b Wrexham Mary Ann Gummow 19 dau b Wrexham William Gummow cousin 17 bookbinder & stationer b Lambeth Surrey. Maria Edwards servant 17 b Wrexham
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Post by Hen Locsin on Mar 27, 2009 16:01:45 GMT
Of interest was the fact that the " competent architect" Benjamin Gummow gave his services free of charge in the building of the new Rhagluniaeth Chapel in Ruabon in 1834 . in the area or place of Tan Lan which was owned by Sir Watkin Williams Wynn of Wynnstay. - " Perhaps the greatest advantage gained was winning the support of Sir Watkin. Tan Lan was owned by him and it was through the persuasion of the wife of an estate worker that permission was obtained, and moreover the professional services of the competent architect, Benjamin Gummow, were generously given without charge." -* This set of circumstances determined the name of the chapel as seen above, Rhagluniaeth --- Providence. * Quotation from the book " Remembering Ruabon " by T.W.Pritchard.
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Post by annedw on Mar 29, 2009 16:19:44 GMT
On Family Search I found that a Michael Gummow married a Sarah Roberts on 18 FEB 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, I wonder if he`s yours.
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Post by thearb on Apr 4, 2009 12:25:21 GMT
This is useful. Found in Dissennters Graveyard MI`s, this is on Rhosddu Road, Wrexham. Stones have all ben laid flat or around the walls. Michael Gummow, husband of Sarah, builder, born Jan 24 1802 died May 21 1876. John Reynolds Gummow son of Michael and Sarah Gummow, born Aug 18 1831 died Feb 23 1877. Mary Ann Edwards daughter of Michael and Sarah Gummow, born Aug 18 1831 died Sept 8 1879. Sarah Gummow wife of Michael born Jan 19 1800 died Oct 13 1884. Mary Ann and John Reynolds were twins. Mar qtr 1869 Wrexham Civil Marriage, Mary Ann Gummow married William Edwards I can`t seem to find a likely couple in 1871. The only death entry that matches the age is a Mary Edwards Sept qtr 1879 Christchurch. . In the book by A N Palmer on the Non Conformity of Wrexham, the Gummows are mentioned. As some of the family became non conformist then they won`t be in the PR`s. www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/alfred-neobard-3n-palmer/a-history-of-the-older-nonconformity-of-wrexham-and-its-neibourhood--being-the--mla.shtmlFound in Clwyd Strays Marriages. Feb 11 1810. Benjamin Gummow of Rhuabon, married Mary Ellis otp. EcclestonAnne many thanks for this info, it confirms some other sources. It appears that the family were indeed 'Chapel'. I think there may be an inscription error, I don't believe James Reynolds and Mary Ann were twins, I have JRG's DOB as 24-01-1826, in fact sharing the same day as his father (24-01-1802). His parents Michael Gummow and Sarah nee Roberts were indeed married at St Peters, Liverpool on 18-02-1825 as mentioned later, and I believe JRG was the first born. Mary Ann married William Edwards 11-03-1869 - their daughter Sarah Martha Gummow Edwards (staying with the Gummows in one of the censuses) married John Smedley Crooke (later Sir), MP and philantropist in 1895. I would love to find out more about Mary Ellis, I believe she was Benjamin's second wife, he later married Agnes Haynes in 1827 at Ruabon. Intriguingly a Mary Anne Ellis was a witness to a Jane Gummow's marriage in London in 1876.
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Post by thearb on Apr 4, 2009 12:28:40 GMT
Of interest was the fact that the " competent architect" Benjamin Gummow gave his services free of charge in the building of the new Rhagluniaeth Chapel in Ruabon in 1834 . in the area or place of Tan Lan which was owned by Sir Watkin Williams Wynn of Wynnstay. - " Perhaps the greatest advantage gained was winning the support of Sir Watkin. Tan Lan was owned by him and it was through the persuasion of the wife of an estate worker that permission was obtained, and moreover the professional services of the competent architect, Benjamin Gummow, were generously given without charge." -* This set of circumstances determined the name of the chapel as seen above, Rhagluniaeth --- Providence. * Quotation from the book " Remembering Ruabon " by T.W.Pritchard. Hen, many thanks for this, I hadn't come across this before.
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Post by thearb on Apr 4, 2009 12:31:34 GMT
On Family Search I found that a Michael Gummow married a Sarah Roberts on 18 FEB 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, I wonder if he`s yours. yep, he is. My third great grandfather.
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Post by annedw on Apr 15, 2009 14:06:12 GMT
When Michael Gummow married Sarah Roberts, his occupation was a Joiner. Both were `of the parish` and married by banns. Details from another researcher who looked the record up.
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Post by thearb on Apr 18, 2009 5:56:24 GMT
When Michael Gummow married Sarah Roberts, his occupation was a Joiner. Both were `of the parish` and married by banns. Details from another researcher who looked the record up. many thanks Anne.
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