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Post by thearb on Apr 20, 2009 10:29:20 GMT
I am heading back to the UK for three weeks in June (I currently reside in Sydney, Australia) and I am hoping to get up to Wrexham district for a day to visit Grosvenor Road where I believe many of the buildings James Reynolds designed still stand and also to have a look at the Wynnstay and Eaton Hall sites, that Benjamin wa sinvolved with, although of course since the fire and rebuild they are all totally different. Also Salisbury Place where they lived.
I will also try to visit St Mary's Ruabon and the record office in Chester. Could anyone advise what other resources are available locally to visit to find out a bit more about the Gummow connection re births, deaths, marriages, publications, records etc. Many of the family were chapel and were buried in the Dissenter's burial ground.
many thanks
Dominic
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Post by annedw on Apr 20, 2009 13:53:40 GMT
How very strange I went to the Dissenters Graveyard yesterday and looked for my family, but only found one stone, but also found yours. I`ve taken some pics, to help you locate it. I can email them to you if you want. Hints on Housebuilding. www.gtj.org.uk/en/small/item/GTJ15474//page/1/Click on `next` at the side to see more pages , then click the print for a full size view. This book is in the AN Palmer centre Wrexham, and Grosvener Road where many of the Gummow builidngs are is only a very short walk away. Another book, the Encyclopedia of Wrexham , has a feature on the Gummows, and details of some of the houses they designed, I think many are still standing today. Plas Tirion, Sontley Road. Grosvener Lodge, Grosvener Road. Abbotsfield , Grosvener Road. Brooklands, Salop Road, this has now gone, but was where Thomas`s haulage yard was. Denbs Records Centre will probably have things related, but as with Wrexham it`s best to book a reader first. Wrexham is very small. You wrote = I think there may be an inscription error, I don't believe James Reynolds and Mary Ann were twins, I have JRG's DOB as 24-01-1826, in fact sharing the same day as his father (24-01-1802). You are right, it is transcribed wrongly, I have the pic to prove it ;D
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Post by annedw on Apr 22, 2009 13:10:14 GMT
Another snippet, Slaters 1868 directory. Michael Gummow , 12 Temple Row, Architect and surveyors .
Temple Row is still there, a very old narrow Street adjoining St Giles Church.
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Post by curlew1 on May 17, 2009 13:48:02 GMT
Hi,
This might be incidental to your main research but in researching my Phennah ancestry I came across the following Wrexham MI (Grave No. 02273, section H):
In Memory of William Henry Gummow 6.12.1925 Marion Gummow 21.11.1921 Sarah Jane Lloyd 7.6.1898 Ethel (nee Gummow) wife of William Phennah 12.12.1946 Also cremated remains of William 1976
The burial number for Ethel is 20485 and her place of death is given as 19 Rhosnessney Lane, Wrexham. Her age at death is given as 59.
Also, J R Gummow's book "Hints on Housebuilding" was published in 1874 by Hughes and Phennah - the Phennah being Thomas, my gg grandfather, who was apprenticed to Richard Hughes (his uncle) in the late 1830s and is variously described as a stationer, bookbinder, paperhanger and house-decorator. He was also ordained as a Calvinistic Methodist minister.
Good luck on your forthcoming visit!
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Post by annedw on May 17, 2009 14:35:14 GMT
1901 RG13; Piece: 5224; Folio: 16; Page: 24. Living at 22 King Street Wrexham. All born Wrexham William H Gummow 46 China merchant on own account Marian Gummow 50 Ethel Gummow 13 school. 1881 RG11; Piece: 5519; Folio: 101; Page: 9; Living at 3 Salisbury Park Sarah Gummow head widow 81 annuittant b Wrexham Sarah E. Gummow widow dau in law.51 b Suffolk Bilderston William H. Gummow 26 unm grandson leather dresser / dyer / currier Michael J. Gummow 25 unm grandson architect Mary L. Gummow gd daughter 19 Florence D. Hall 23 visitor unm b Brixton Margaret E. Jones 18 servant Bit of a difference in occupations for the two sons
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Post by thearb on May 22, 2009 8:27:17 GMT
Hi, This might be incidental to your main research but in researching my Phennah ancestry I came across the following Wrexham MI (Grave No. 02273, section H): In Memory of William Henry Gummow 6.12.1925 Marion Gummow 21.11.1921 Sarah Jane Lloyd 7.6.1898 Ethel (nee Gummow) wife of William Phennah 12.12.1946 Also cremated remains of William 1976 The burial number for Ethel is 20485 and her place of death is given as 19 Rhosnessney Lane, Wrexham. Her age at death is given as 59. Also, J R Gummow's book "Hints on Housebuilding" was published in 1874 by Hughes and Phennah - the Phennah being Thomas, my gg grandfather, who was apprenticed to Richard Hughes (his uncle) in the late 1830s and is variously described as a stationer, bookbinder, paperhanger and house-decorator. He was also ordained as a Calvinistic Methodist minister. Good luck on your forthcoming visit! many thanks curlew. Marion Gummow was nee Lloyd so I believe Sarah Jane was her sister Sarah Jane Lloyd (1855-1898), they are both recorded as having died at 22 King Street, a Gummow residence. I had noticed the publisher of the book was Hughes and Phennah, but have not been able to connect Thomas Phennah with William Phennah, would you by any chance know the connection? best DC
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Post by annedw on May 22, 2009 18:07:03 GMT
The only William Phennah that died in 1976 is one that is registered at Penzance. His DOB was 18 Oct 1888 making him c 88 when he died. Any help
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Post by curlew1 on May 25, 2009 2:27:31 GMT
Hi thearb,
I'm afraid that I can't connect Thomas and William either! Interesting post from Annedw, though, because I had concluded that this William was born in Bersham in 1888 to Abraham, a coal mine stoker, and Amelia (nee Edwards). Their address on the 1891 census transcript is Ddol Hill, Bersham, Adwy. William and Ethel married in June 1920 (Wrexham civil marriage).
Abraham was born in 1866 in Hope to John and Sarah (nee George) Phennah, who were also both born in Hope, in 1831 and 1832 respectively. I can go back a lot further with this line but I haven't found the missing link yet - I'm sure there must be one somewhere and I'll let you know when I find it!
By the way, I assume you know about the Cornwall Gummows? There are loads of them on the census I looked at (1841, I think), mainly in Bodmin, St Columb Major and Truro.
All the best.
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Post by annedw on May 25, 2009 10:32:40 GMT
Perhaps there will a be a report on William and Ethels wedding in the local paper. Copies on micro film are at Wrexham Museum. I`m guessing you mean June qtr rather than the actual month of June, but they still shouldn`t take long to search.
Free BMD Birth William Phennah 1888 Oct-Nov-Dec Wrexham This matches the one married to Ethel.
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Post by curlew1 on May 25, 2009 11:06:36 GMT
Yes, good point, the ref is to the June quarter.
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Post by curlew1 on May 25, 2009 11:29:33 GMT
Re the Cornwall Gummows: I have just been speaking to my uncle, who has lived in Cornwall for many years, and he certainly knows of the name although he doesn't think he knows any personally. He was company secretary for English China Clay and he thinks that it's in this context that he has come across the name.
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Post by annedw on May 25, 2009 19:48:42 GMT
This info is also on the Phennah thread,,
RG11; Piece: 3567; Folio: 33; Page: 25 In 1881 , Abraham, the father of William is living with his parents and a younger brother Jacob. John Phennah 50 Sarah Phennah 49 Abraham Phennah 15 Sarah Phennah 15 Ann Phennah 11 Harriet Phennah 6 Jacob Phennah 2
I found Jacobs Miltary Records. It`s the only one for a Phennah. He joined the RWF. His religion was Weslyan, and married Mary Williams at the Register Office in Wrexham on 19/10/1903. They had children Walter 19/04/1904 Trevor 19/06/1906 John Emlyn 11/04/1908 Gwen 26/08/1910 Marian 19/09/1912 Thomas 02/08/1914.
An address is given for Mary Phennah , 9 Greenfield, Rhosddu , Wrexham.
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Post by thearb on Jun 4, 2009 10:13:52 GMT
many thanks for your all your help, I am actually heading back early this weekend and will be in the UK from June 8th thru 23rd and I am hoping to get up to Wrexham for a day for a day's research
best
Dominic
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Post by annedw on Jun 4, 2009 15:28:02 GMT
Good luck in your research , I hope you enjoy your stay. Hopefully the sun will still be shining,
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Post by Hen Locsin on Jun 4, 2009 22:22:31 GMT
Dominic I would like to echo annedw's remarks and mention that there was a Walter Phennah in my year in Grove Park Boys Grammar school, which would make him 72/73 if still extant. The family seemed to have been based in the village of Llay, for which two of Walter's sons currently play cricket. Enjoy your stay! Hen Locsin
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Post by curlew1 on Jul 24, 2009 10:52:56 GMT
Hi thearb Just a snippet I picked up on my travels: From the Wrexham Advertiser, 2.6.1851 No 22 Deaths "12th ult., very suddenly, the wife of Mr James Gummow, Jun, Builder, Wrexham-fechan, aged 25." This was from Tom Mercer's "Gleanings from the Wrexham Advertiser" pages s205809145.websitehome.co.uk Hope you had an enjoyable and profitable visit to the UK!
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Post by mjw on Feb 12, 2014 14:46:12 GMT
Hi,
Just looking through Michael John Gummow search and came across your post.
I don't really know a lot about him other than he is my great uncle and my namesake Michael John Whitefoot. He was an architect renowned for his work on churches. Born 1856 Died 1908, married Lillian Whitefoot 1905 at Chester. He is buried in Wrexham Cemetery.
There is a connection to Birmingham and Sir John Smedley Crooke as I have met Bronwen Smedley Crooke formerly Mary Bronwen Gummow who was one time head of the ladies section of The Royal British Legion.
I have just put some info and a photograph of him on Facebook Old Photos of Wrexham Trusting this helps.
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Post by annedw on Feb 12, 2014 19:00:41 GMT
This is the photo mentioned , lots of our Minera members don't use Facebook, so they may not see it. Any other details would be nice. Welcome to Minera Attachments:
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Post by mjw on Feb 14, 2014 11:23:05 GMT
The picture shows architect Michael John Gummow standing by the Steeple at the top of the Tower. Michael John Gummow is renowned for his work on churches and many other buildings in the Wrexham North Wales area. He is my husbands (Michael John Whitefoot) great uncle. The second photo is of a stone plaque on the Drill Hall in Poyser Street. He was also the architect for the building formerly Scotts nightclub in Brook St. He also designed the English Presbyterian Church of Wales, City Road, Chester. Michael John Gummow was based in Egerton Street, Wrexham.
If you scroll down "Old Photos of Wrexham" look for Ann Whitefoots pictures you will see another picture alongside the one you have, the above is part of the text relating to Wrexham Parish Church. Sorry I cannot see a way of importing the other pic onto this site. Regards Mike
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Post by annedw on Feb 15, 2014 13:15:04 GMT
Here is the other photo from FB. You put your message here, then click Reply, (right hand side ) Another screen will appear and there is an option to add attachments. (RH side) When you have inserted it, click "done" At bottom of page - create post. Attachments:
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Post by alister on Mar 26, 2015 14:04:31 GMT
It is a long time since you made enquiries about the Gummow family in Wrexham. I thought I would try to contact you as I have also been researching them and, in particular, their buildings in the Wrexham area. If we can be of any mutual assistance, please get in touch. I have attached a photograph of one of their designs, two semi-detached houses in Salisbury Road, Wrexham. One of the figures in the photograph also appears in another that I have of a Gummow house which would suggest that it is James Gummow himself. Alister
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Post by ago on Jan 12, 2016 18:41:10 GMT
hello, a lot about mr gummow herehttp://newspapers.library.wales/view/4582120/4582128/50/gummow
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