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Post by Hen Locsin on May 3, 2009 20:17:44 GMT
Hello Fellow Genealogists. Can anyone suggest a solution to this problem? From my distant past I can recall a family who visited my Grandmother in Minera and often stayed overnight with various relatives, during the 40's, and I'm at a loss to place them, or discard them from my family tree. Extant members of the family older than I, can still remember them but cannot connect them into the family. The head of the household was Robert Davies, his wife was Irene and I recall they had two boys Granville & Victor, and possibly a younger daughter . They lived in Wigan where Robert was a Manager for the Cooperative society; I recall staying with them for a week or so at a time.( Summer Holidays )Such Exotic destinations in those days! So the eldest Granville would be about 70 ish and Victor slightly younger. I recall lots about them, but cannot connect them to the Tree. My last escapade was to write a " begging letter " to the local newspapers in the area, about 12 months previous, but this turned up no results. Can anyone out there suggest any further steps, or must I forever wonder who they were? Hen Locsin
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Post by celticar on May 4, 2009 9:49:39 GMT
I find it interesting and strange that a few of us here have relations from the Wigan/Westhoughton/Bolton Area, who came to visit family in Coedpoeth/Minera area. The only clue I can find is that the connections were started by some family members from Here, going to work in mines or connections with work/opportunity's due to mines, in that area. The usal time frame seems to be between 1880 and 1910. This a period when work at lead mines also drying up.
Now was it Chapel connections that helped with the moves ?
May be a more in depth look should be done on census for those areas one day to see if it shows how many from this area did move there % of population wise.
May be we should start a new thread with lists of surnames people are looking for connecting both areas ? May help with connecting or tying in more families. We still cant find our connections proof wise ither yet. May be 1911 census will hold clue ?
Celticar
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Post by annedw on May 4, 2009 16:46:59 GMT
I did a search for births 1939 + - 10 years and out of 16 Granville`s 1 was born 1944 Leeds, 1 in 1937 Holywell, 1 in 1941 Manchester, the rest were born South Wales. There were too many Victors to look at Any help ? Also on Genes Reunited there are 7 Granville Davies DOB between 1930 and 1937. All born South Wales. Worth a try I suppose.
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Post by jojo on May 5, 2009 6:53:31 GMT
Not sure if this helps but? There is a GrEnville Davies, mmn Davies registered in Wrexham Mar Q 1940 11b 833 Also a Victor Davies, mmn Davies registered at Wrexham Jun Q 1942 11b 604 No guarantee they were brothers though H
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Post by Hen Locsin on May 7, 2009 22:05:20 GMT
Thanks for your efforts Jo Jo, But not immediately recognisable , although they will merit further digging. He Locsin
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Post by tominera on Feb 24, 2012 18:18:49 GMT
Hi Geoff, I have been taking a fresh look at your problem in which I have a self interest and came up with the following possible leads which someone may be able to follow up. As you know you had a relative(Your grandmothers brother) named Robert William Davies b 1882 Llandegla who was a grocer in 1911 in London--he married Miriam Roberts b 1884 Rhosesmor in Chelsea 11 12 1912--they had a daughter Mary Gwendoline 4 2 1914 born 56 Cunningham Rd. Lewisham, London and possibly a son Dennis (no further details) William served in the first world war 1917-1918 and then lived in Great Crosby, Liverpool with Miriam his wife(she was next of kin in 1917)-And now a possible but unlikely solution--A Robert William Davies married Alice I Parkinson(Irene?) in Wigan June Q 1937 and they had the following children \Granville J Davies June Q 1938 & Victor D Davies Sep Q 1939 both born Wigan.---Just maybe just maybe Robert William b 1882 remarried, I realise he would seem too old to have children at the age of 56 but maybe he rose to the occasion so to speak and hey presto--I hope this will give food for thought and good luck, as I am sure you will need it--Regards Tom
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Post by annedw on Feb 26, 2012 13:34:36 GMT
I searched on Ancestry for a Alice Irene Parkinson, and found a family tree. Alice Irene Parkinson , birth.Apr 1914 Location , Platt Bridge, Wigan, Lancashire DeathView event Jan 1999 (Age: 84) Kidsgrove, Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire . Thelma's Family Tree Public Member Tree PreviewName: Robert William Davies Robert William Davies / Alice Irene Parkinson There is no marriage date on the tree, but it does say there is a spouse and children still living, and the names are not given. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Than I found this in Ancestry Deaths. Name: Alice Irene Davies Birth: 8 Apr 1914 Death: Jan 1999 - Newcastle Under Lyme, Staffordshire, England
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Post by tominera on Feb 26, 2012 15:30:23 GMT
Hi Annette, Thanks for that and I am feeling confident we are now on the correct trail--but would need details of marriage to see if Robert was a widower and his age etc--I fully realise this may be a completely different Robert William Davies but feel sure they are the people Hen Locsin is trying to find Thanks Again Tom
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Post by annedw on Feb 29, 2012 15:47:29 GMT
Reply from Thelma
They are the same people. Alice Irene Parkinson was my mother's younger sister. They had another son after Victor - Malcolm William born 23rd September 1943. The family moved from Wigan to Kidsgrove, Stoke on Trent in about 1954. Granville and Uncle Bob both worked in the mines in the Wigan area, but many had closed and mining jobs became harder to get. New mines were opening in Stoke on Trent area and houses were being built to accommodate families moving there. Granville died about five years ago, at the time he was living in North Wales. The link with Coedpoeth and Minera area is through Uncle Bob's father, who walked from South Wales to Wigan to find work in the coal mines. He married a woman from the Pemberton area of Wigan and settled there. I cannot recollect his Christian name but it may have been John, as that was the name given to his first son. He had two sisters who remained in South Wales - I remember that one of them was known as 'Auntie Min' but at the moment I cannot recall the name of the other one.
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Post by tominera on Feb 29, 2012 19:13:01 GMT
Hi Annette, Thanks for getting all this info etc.---I am sure Hen Locsin will be grateful to find out a bit more. I am sure we can disregard the Robert William Davies b1882 even though he was a grocer and related. It may be worthwhile finding Robert W Davies's parents and family in the Census but as it is such a common name it may not be straightforward without more info from Thelma. Tom
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Post by Hen Locsin on Mar 1, 2012 11:52:21 GMT
Hi Tom, a pm from Annette, and this message has spurred me on to further thoughts on this aspect of the Wigan connection, for which I'm grateful to Annette. As I have already mentioned to you I can recall also visiting someone at Platt Bridge, presumably relatives of Aunt Irene, and the presence of a number of greenhouses in the area.The dates of birth of both Victor & Granville resonate,( I didn't know of another younger brother) but as already mentioned I had suspected the existence of a younger sister. Not at the forefront of the recollections of an 8/9year old. As all of this memory stimulation relates to a period some sixty seven years ago I am prepared to concede that I may have been wrong about Robert Davies' occupation;or else he may have decided on a change of career. It would seem therefore that cousin Granville may have been a Bevin Boy, being of the age for National service.As for his Grandfather walking from S.Wales, Why? seems the prudent question, if the family connections are essentially very much N.Walian, unless the era of the general strike prompted him to visit S.Wales first looking for work. There followed, a time of increasing expansion in the Coal industry in this period up until the second world war and afterwards when there appeared to be plenty of opportunities for mineworkers. I think a copy of the marriage certificate of Robert & Irene must be essential, if only to establish his Father,because so far its not possible to tie him in to the Davies tree. There is already a John Davies, at that level of succession, (whose daughter is still extant) & she didn't have a brother, although she does recall the existence of Robert & Irene. A puzzle and no mistake! Hen Locsin
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Post by Hen Locsin on Mar 1, 2012 12:22:22 GMT
Happy Saint Davids Day to all you fellow Genealogists. Did you know of anyone whose birthday was on the 29th February? One such person was from Minera and only 2 & 3/4 when he passed the Eleven Plus! Must be some sort of record.Hen Locsin
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Post by tominera on Mar 2, 2012 13:42:21 GMT
Hi, I have a sneaky feeling these people are going to be friends in some way of the family and if they are from S. Wales, it maybe just a coincident he has the same name as one of his friends from N. Wales ;D I am sure you will get to the bottom of it all eventually and hope you dont give up before resolving it all. Tom
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Post by fudge6 on Dec 14, 2013 9:19:26 GMT
Irene and bob Davies were my dad's aunt and uncle Bob was my grandad john Davies brother (the family lived in wigan then moved to Staffordshire to work in the mine) My dad and their Sons victor and Malcolm are still alive and live in Staffordshire. I live in wigan
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Post by tominera on Dec 16, 2013 10:28:23 GMT
HI, Thanks for info----I would still like to know if Irene or her husband was related to anyone in the Wrexham area as it is still a mystery why she visited Minera on such a regular basis? Just maybe someone in youe family could shed some light on this-Thanks again Kind Regards Tom
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Post by fudge6 on Dec 16, 2013 18:52:47 GMT
Hi I have spoken to my dad-Trevor his dad and grandad were called John and he had a brother Robert. He knew auntie min and auntie ginny who were my dads grandads sisters who ? Lived at llandulas but ? did live or work at minera at some stage Dad has visited minera and done his family tree-but has a few blanks! He thinks his grandad was married 3 times
Perhaps Irene and bob were visiting there? There eldest son Granville also lives in Wrexham too He will dig out the family tree and anyone is welcome to get on touch
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Post by fudge6 on Dec 16, 2013 18:58:33 GMT
Hello Fellow Genealogists. Can anyone suggest a solution to this problem? From my distant past I can recall a family who visited my Grandmother in Minera and often stayed overnight with various relatives, during the 40's, and I'm at a loss to place them, or discard them from my family tree. Extant members of the family older than I, can still remember them but cannot connect them into the family. The head of the household was Robert Davies, his wife was Irene and I recall they had two boys Granville & Victor, and possibly a younger daughter . They lived in Wigan where Robert was a Manager for the Cooperative society; I recall staying with them for a week or so at a time.( Summer Holidays )Such Exotic destinations in those days! So the eldest Granville would be about 70 ish and Victor slightly younger. I recall lots about them, but cannot connect them to the Tree. My last escapade was to write a " begging letter " to the local newspapers in the area, about 12 months previous, but this turned up no results. Can anyone out there suggest any further steps, or must I forever wonder who they were? Hen Locsin
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Post by fudge6 on Dec 16, 2013 19:00:06 GMT
Was Irene and bob not visiting auntie min or auntie ginny? Son victor might be able to remember? We are in touch with him?
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Post by tominera on Dec 16, 2013 19:55:08 GMT
Hi, Thanks for trying to help---I am afraid I have never heard any mention of an Auntie Min or Ginny in our family so I am still hoping for a breakthrough from your family-Thanks Tom
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Post by Hen Locsin on Dec 22, 2013 14:01:41 GMT
The progress on this teasing question remains irritatingly inconclusive, however the contributions of Fudge6 and Tominera etal are appreciated! I a :Dm currently engrossed in another aspect of the Davies thread, namely Tegla, but all your comments and hints have been noted and will be pursued A.S.A.P. Thanks also to Thelma, for her input and a line of enquiry. I hope that your health has improved over the past months. So as my health took a turn for the worse but is now seem ingly back on track, I'll take this opportunity of wishing all you fellow genealogists [font size="4"] a very merry Christmas and continued good health for 2014!
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