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Post by tominera on Oct 18, 2009 14:04:26 GMT
Would appreciate any help to establish the correct parents of Jemimah HUGHES b abt 1829 in Hope, Flints.died 2 3 1913 after being accidentally burnt in her cottage in Nant-y-Ffrith (I have inquest details) Her father is named as Edward Hughes Farmer on her marr cert. and her res. is given as Bersham, Denbighshire. She married Richard POWELL 9 April 1860 in St Giles Wxm. and the Wit. were Robert Williams (Prob his first wifes brother) & Harriet Powell (prob. Sister-in-Law)---Richard was a widower but he is on M/Entry as a batchelor. His first wife was Elizabeth Williams b 2 6 1824--died 2 4 1857 in Blaenau, Ffrith, who he marr. in St Giles Wxm 29 12 1851 and had 2 children Maria 1852 & Hannah 1854. I have scoured Llanfynydd Graveyard and have located a couple of headstones with an Edward Hughes on but they do not help at this stage---The burial records were destroyed in a Vestry fire in 1892 and I feel sure they would have solved my problem. I also have original funeral cards for Richard, Jemima and an Edward Hughes died 5 12 1884 bur Pontblyddyn aged 65 yrs and living in Leeswood at the time.(I have not been able to search Pontblyddyn records to try and find his wife as yet) The most likely H/stone in Llanfynydd is Edward Hughes aged 73 yrs died 9 9 1869 but this only has also Jane Priod (wife) of John Thomas, Cymmau died 3 10 1874 aged 34 yrs. on the stone. Thanks Tom
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Post by eluned on Oct 18, 2009 14:45:21 GMT
1851 Leeswood HO107/2501, f.408, pg.2 Buarth ? George Tugman H mar 37 farmer of 5acres b.Mold Hannah " wife 34 b.Hope Eliza " daur 9 b.Hope Edmund " son 7 b.Mold Elizabeth " daur 5 b." Thomas " son 2 b." Mary Jones serv 14 b." Jemimah Hughes wifes sister unm 24 farmers daur b.HopeAlthough George's surname is transcribed as Tugman could he be George Ingman Hannah Hughes marr George Ingman/Evan Evans Wrexham St Giles Sep 1/4 1841
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Post by eluned on Oct 18, 2009 17:30:38 GMT
"The most likely H/stone in Llanfynydd is Edward Hughes aged 73 yrs died 9 9 1869 but this only has also Jane Priod (wife) of John Thomas, Cymmau died 3 10 1874 aged 34 yrs. on the stone." 1871 Hope RG10/3737, f.51, pg.14 Cymmau John Thomas H mar 31 coal miner b.Llandegla, DEN Jane " wife 30 b.Ffrith, Flintshire William Williams grandson 5 b.Uwchymynydd, " Edward Griffiths lodger 18 coalminer b.Hope Very young to be grandparents
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Post by eluned on Oct 18, 2009 18:00:13 GMT
"Edward Hughes died 5 12 1884 bur Pontblyddyn aged 65 yrs and living in Leeswood at the time.(I have not been able to search Pontblyddyn records to try and find his wife as yet)"Do you think that this Edward could be her brother? There are lots of Edward Hughes Perhaps sending for his death certificate would give you some more info, it will certainly help to pin him down in the census ie.occupation.
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Post by tominera on Oct 18, 2009 18:35:00 GMT
Hi Lynn, Thanks for your input--I agree this Edward could be her brother and I will try to further investigate this line before I resort to puchasing a death cert. Thanks again Tom
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Post by tominera on Oct 18, 2009 18:37:45 GMT
Hi, Just realised I have access to some info on Ingman Family---Hannah Ingman died 26 6 1895 aged 77 yrs and buried in Nerquis Cemetery-Will try for a headstone if I can find graveyard. I will now try to get the marriage as it was in St Giles Sept Q 1841 and will be available in Palmer Centre---Plenty to work on for now so thanks again Tom
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Post by tominera on Oct 20, 2009 18:14:51 GMT
Hi, Got some detail of Hannah Hughes marr to George Ingmam in St Giles 31 7 1841 today and her father was an Edward Hughes- Farmer ---I am more than happy ;D that she is a sister to Jemima and will be putting it in F/T. I feel this is a pretty good start so thanks again---I did not get witness names today as info was on phone, but I will when I get a chance as they may hold more clues. Tom Witnesses were George Ingman & Mary Hughes
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Post by eluned on Oct 20, 2009 20:12:27 GMT
Pleased that I was able to help
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Post by tominera on Nov 3, 2009 18:04:33 GMT
Hi, Thanks to Annette I now have Jemima HUGHES baptism in Pontblyddyn 24 4 1831--Parents Edward (farmer)& Mary. Uwchymynydd Ucha. I now need to find in 1841,1851,1861 if poss. ::)Tom
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Post by annedw on Nov 3, 2009 20:28:38 GMT
The only one I can find in 1851 is the same as Eluned, living wirh George Ingham 1861 RG9; Piece: 4278; Folio: 6; Page: 17; Blainey Hope. next place Caegrugog.? Richard Powell 34 ag lab b Tryddyn Jemima Powell 31 b Hope Meria Powell 9 b Hope Harriet Powell 7 b Trydyn 1871 RG10; Piece: 3737; Folio: 63; Page: 2; Cae Cainallt, Llanfynydd, all b Hope Richard Powell 45 farmer 67 acres Jemima Powell 42 farmers wife Elizabeth Powell 6 Miriam Powell 3 John Richd Powell 6 months 1881 RG11; Piece: 3567; Folio: 10; Page: 16 Cae Rhinallt , Richard Powell 54 farmer 60 acres b Trydyn Jemima Powell 54 b Hope Elizabeth Powell 16 learning dress making Mary A. Powell 13 b Hope George Powell 8 b Hope 1891 RG12; Piece: 2870; Folio 125; Page 21; Cae Rhenallt , Uwchymynydd, All born Hope. Edward Griffiths 26 farmer Elizabeth Griffiths 26 Mary Elizabeth Griffiths 7/12 Jemma ? Powell wid 58 mother in law b Hope George Powell Bro " 18 1901 RG13; Piece: 5223; Folio: 14; Page: 19. Gegin Wen Minera living on her own. Jemima Powell 67 widow
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Post by tominera on Nov 3, 2009 22:20:10 GMT
Hi, Please forgive me but what I am really after are any clues where Edward and Mary her parents are in 1841 1851 1861 to see if there are any brothers or sisters. Which I realise is a problem because Jemimah is not living with them. Thanks for all your help ---Tom
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Post by annedw on Nov 3, 2009 23:29:05 GMT
I can`t find a Edward and Mary that seem to be the right one, but there`s this one. 1851 HO107; Piece: 2502; Folio: 53; Page: 26 Penystryt, Llanfynydd , all born Hope. Mary Hughes widow 54 land freeholder Kesiah dau, 18 Leah dau 16 1861 RG9; Piece: 4278; Folio: 7; Page: 20 Pen Street Llanfynydd Mary Hughes widow 64 b Hope Edward Hughes nephew 4 visitor b Hope 1841 is missing www.uk-family-history.com/1841-census.html
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Post by annedw on Nov 4, 2009 9:51:34 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D GOLDChildren of Edward and Mary were, eldest son, Edward,second son John, youngest son Hosias. Eldest daughter Hannah, 2nd Mary,then Jemimah, Kesiah, Leah. He died between 16 October 1839 and 6 May 1840, lived at Tyn y cyffion, Hope, Flint,and he was Edward "The Younger/Farmer " How do I know, I`ve just read his will, and quite well off he was too. hdl.handle.net/10107/91323Hosias I can`t find him at all.
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Post by annedw on Nov 4, 2009 13:53:20 GMT
Keziah married Charles Davies in St Giles 1856 1861 RG9; Piece: 4274; Folio: 49; Page: 11 56 Milford St. Mold Charles Davies 29 collier b Mold Keziah Davies 27 b Hope John Davies 4 b Hope Mary E Davies 2 b Mold
1871 RG10; Piece: 5646; Folio: 60; Page: 20 2 Milford St Mold . all childen b Mold. Charles Davies 40 Kesiah Davies 35 John Davies 14 Mary Ellen Davies 12 Richard Davies 11 Thomas Davies 9 Catherine Davies 5 John Hill 19 militia John Brown 21 militia Joseph Griffiths 18 militia.
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Post by annedw on Nov 4, 2009 13:59:37 GMT
1861 RG9; Piece: 4278; Folio: 39; Page: 19 Pontybodkin Anne Williams head wid 67 farmer b Llanarmon John Williams son 39 manager b Mold Leah Hughes 26 house maid b Hope
Leah married John Jones St Giles, Sep qtr 1865
1871 RG10; Piece: 3738; Folio: 20; Page: 4; Coed Talon Leeswood. John Jones 3? coalminer b Leeswood Leah Jones 35 b Hope Mary Jones 3 b Tryddyn Hannah Jones 11 months "
1881 RG11; Piece: 3567; Folio: 42; Page: 9; 22 Black Diamond Tryddyn John Jones 40 Leah Jones 46 Hannah Jones 10 Joseph Jones 8 Thomas Jones 6 Sarah Jones 2
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Post by tominera on Nov 4, 2009 18:37:30 GMT
;D ;D ;D No wonder I am smiling after all that wonderful info--Still trying to take it all in, not easy at my age but thanks a lot ;D I now have an awful lot to put in F/T and chase up marriages and deaths etc. which I will put on this thread as and when I get them. THANKS again Annette Regards Tom
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Post by tominera on Nov 4, 2009 20:05:35 GMT
Hi, I have Memorial cards for these 2 relatives and can now put the details in F/T. John Hughes, Penystryt, Uwchymynydd died 31 3 1908 aged 88 and buried in Estyn Cemetery( Can anyone confirm this is Hope) 4 4 1908. Edward Hughes, Gwernyglyn House, Leeswood died 5 12 1884 aged 65 yrs and buried in Pontblyddyn 8 12 1884--I also have more details of Leah and husband John both buried in Llanfynydd Tom
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Post by eluned on Nov 4, 2009 20:32:06 GMT
Estyn is a part of the parish of Hope and this link gives details of the two Hope cemeteries. www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/FLN/Hope/The one you are after is probably Hope "Old" Cemetery as the other one didn't open until 1950.
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Post by annedw on Nov 4, 2009 20:35:34 GMT
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Post by tominera on Nov 4, 2009 20:55:30 GMT
Thanks Both ;D Tom
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Post by tominera on Nov 6, 2009 22:11:28 GMT
John Jones Uwchymynydd (husband of Leah) died 14 2 1903 aged 62 yrs and buried 18 2 1903 in Llanfynydd Leah Jones aged 83 yrs-Tai Newydd buried 14 3 1918 in Llanfynydd. Where would I send for death cert of Edward Hughes Tyn-y-Cyffion Hope (probably Llanfynydd)who died between October 1839 & May 1840 Regards Tom
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Post by abeer on Nov 6, 2009 22:51:52 GMT
Hi Tom, You will need to check in Wrexham for these records as Hope was a subdistrict of Wrexham until the 1860s - there are 2 Edward Hughes death registered in the area in 1839 - if you submit as many details as you can the Registrar at Wrexham will look at both and get the correct one for you without charging for the two if you go in person. The North Wales BMD is really good as it gives you the subdistrict and also a downloadable form you can take with you to the registrars office. www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/Regards Alison
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Post by tominera on Nov 7, 2009 10:45:43 GMT
Hi, Thanks for that--another job for next week ;D Tom
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Post by tominera on Nov 10, 2009 21:33:28 GMT
Hope to get death cert for Edward tomorrow. I have just found that a John Hughes Cae Rynallt was an overseer for the poor in Uchmynydd Ucha in 1864--It is on page 63 in the book "History Of Hope & Caergwrle" by R Phoenix & A Matthews. I am just wondering if there are any bapt in Hope Church of any of Jemimas siblings or maybe in Pontblyddyn if anyone is ever going to Hawarden or has relevant parish records .
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Post by tominera on Nov 14, 2009 16:24:02 GMT
Edward Hughes the younger Died 19 October 1839 aged 42 years Farmer---Tyn y Cyffion--Uwch Isaf and the informant was Johnathan Davies Minister of Pennuel Present in the last illness. I believe I have had more info than I ever expected so thanks to everyone who helped and should anyone need more info on this family please feel free to ask or send me a PM Tom
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Post by esuew on Nov 28, 2013 11:31:19 GMT
Hi Tom,
I’ve recently come across your message on Jemima Hughes whilst investigating the Ingman family. It appears that two of Jemima’s siblings married into the same Ingman family of Gwerndafolog, Leeswood (c/o Thomas Ingman and Jane Lloyd), i.e.
1839 Pontblyddyn: Edward Hughes married Harriet Ingman. It appears that Harriet died in 1853, shortly after giving birth to a daughter Harriet. Both mother and daughter were buried in Tryddyn. Edward then went on to marry another two times.
1841 Wrexham : George Ingman married Hannah Hughes – the family subsequently lived at Erw Coed, Nerquis.
I appreciate that this particular message thread was completed in Nov. 2009, but hope that you are still monitoring for additional replies.
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Post by tominera on Nov 28, 2013 17:01:52 GMT
Thanks for info which I will study as soon as I get a chance and will post any new info on here afterwards Thanks Tom
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Post by tominera on Nov 28, 2013 20:33:18 GMT
Hi, If you have any of the following information and willing to share same--I would appreciate it, to put in F/T. Marriage details (cert) for Harriet Ingman in 1839------and Edward's other marriages, I have him married to an Elizabeth and Harriet---I would also like any details of Hannah Hughes death, burial etc also her child. Do you have any pics of headstones? I am making a database of the burials in Nerquis Church at the minute along with pics of any old headstones and M/Is. It is not complete yet as I need some more info from the records and then put same in. I have some records of Burials in Treuddyn but they are too modern in this instance. Thanks in anticipation and please feel free to ask if I have anything which may be of help in your search Regards Tom
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Post by esuew on Nov 29, 2013 10:27:23 GMT
Hi Tom,
I’ll certainly share any data I have on the Hughes family. 02/04/1839 Pontblyddyn marriage (Licence) - witnesses: Thomas Bythell and Mary Ingman Edward Hughes full age bch, Tyn Cyffion s/o Edward Hughes, farmer Harriet Ingman full age spin, Gwerndafolog d/o Thomas Ingman, farmer
Tryddyn PR:- burial Harriet Hughes 01/06/1853, age 34 baptism Harriet Hughes 25/04/1853 d/o Edward & Harriet, buried 01/06/1853 age 3 mnths. The daughter’s burial entry follows that of her mother and presumably explains cause of death.
Edward Hughes had married Lucy by 1861 census. I’ve found 2 possible marriages in 1853: St Asaph to Lucy Williams or Gt. Boughton to Lucy Parry. Edward had remarried Elizabeth ? by 1881 census.
Pontblyddyn burials: Lucy Hughes bur 24/10/1877, aged 52 Edward Hughes bur 08/12/1884, aged 65
Sorry, I don’t have any photos of graves.
In your message thread, you also asked for baptism details for Jemima’s siblings. You’ve probably obtained them by now, but just in case:- Hope baptism for children of Edward & Mary Hughes, Uwchymynydd Ucha, farmer - Edward 20/3/1818, Hannah 26/3/1820, John 28/4/1822, Mary 13/2/1825, Jemima 24/4/1831, Leah 5/7/1835. I’ve not found Kesiah or Hosias.
I am researching a number of old family lines in the Tryddyn/Nerquis/Leeswood area. I’ve found a number of inter-marriages between the various families including Ingman, Langford, Gabriel, Hellyn, Bythell, Griffiths, Morris, Morgan and of course Jones. In the past, I’ve looked at the Nerquis MI document produced by Clwyd FHS which was very useful. I’ve visited both Treuddyn and Nerquis graveyards and did find some graves of interest, but it’s now very difficult to view the inscription on many graves. I would therefore be interested in any info. you have on any of the above surnames.
From your references to funeral cards in your possession for the Hughes family, I assume that you are descended from that line. Are you researching and other families in Tryddyn/Nerquis area?
Regards Sue
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Post by tominera on Nov 29, 2013 15:19:33 GMT
Attachment DeletedHi Sue, Thanks for info/data which about 75% was new for me to put in F/T. Jemimah Hughes is in my wifes branches and that is why I have been pursuing Nerquis etc having exhausted Llanfynydd some time ago. Would it be possible to be more specific regarding any headstones or bujrials etc in llanfynydd or Nerquis. I also have the M/Is for Nerquis but have found an awful lot incorrect---this is not a critisism in any way as it must have been extremely difficult to read the old stones etc. I have att a card just for interest and I do have some Ingman ones should you like to see them-Thanks again Tom
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