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Post by esuew on Mar 10, 2011 15:06:40 GMT
I’m researching the Jones family who ran the George and Dragon pub Brymbo circa 1810 to 1910.
William Jones (1781 – 1835) and Alice Jones (1786 – 1859) had approx. 9 children and I’m descended from their son John born 1825, but am trying to trace the descendants of their 3 eldest daughters, namely Jane born 1811, Mary born 1813 and Elizabeth born 1816. Jane may have married William Roberts, however I’ve been unable to find a marriage to support this. Mary may have married Thomas Shone at St. Giles, Wrexham 1/12/1834.
I’d appreciate any information on this family, including data on William and Alice’s ancestors.
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Post by eluned on Mar 12, 2011 8:48:49 GMT
Good morning esuew and welcome Just posting this as it may help the search. 1851 Near Wern, Brymbo Alice Jones head wid 65 publican Ed son 22 unm blacksmith Alice dau 20 dressmaker Hariet Roberts neice 13 scholar Wm Jones nephew 8 scholar Wm Jones lodger 59 tailor Jno Roberts servant 80 All born Wrexham Have you found a marriage for William and Alice?
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Post by esuew on Mar 12, 2011 16:26:31 GMT
Hi Eluned,
The 1851 census you found, shows the correct family, although I believe that William Jones aged 8, is Alice's grandson rather than her nephew, i.e. the illegitimate son of her daughter Amelia who died in 1850. I haven't been able to trace the parents of Harriet Roberts who is listed as Alice's niece.
William and Alice's daughter, also named Alice took over the George and Dragon pub when her parents died and continued to run it until her death in 1911. The 1861 to 1901 census show Alice Jones c. 1830 at the George and Dragon.
Wrexham 9/6/1810 - William Jones married Alice Jones
William Jones was possibly s/o Edward Jones labourer Brymbo (baptised Wrexham 22/9/1781) Alice Jones was possibly d/o Samuel Jones collier Brymbo and Elizabeth Hughes (baptised Minera 13/8/1786)
However I've not been able to go any further back.
Thanks for you interest Sue
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Post by eluned on Mar 13, 2011 10:16:41 GMT
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Post by esuew on Mar 13, 2011 14:10:29 GMT
Thanks Eluned,
I've obtained a copy of William Jones's will and I've also looked at trade directories, electoral registers, mortgages.
My immediate requirement is to find the marriage for William Roberts (1804 - 1867) and Jane ______ . The marriage is likely to have taken place c. 1830, since Brymbo census show the couple with their oldest child Alice born in 1834.
I believe that William Roberts may have married Jane Jones the eldest daughter of Williams & Alice of the George & Dragon. My g. grandmother, a widow married one of William Robert's sons and I want to confirm if she married a cousin.
The obituary for my g. grandmother's 2nd husband lists a nephew named Shone as one of the mourners. I've found a Wrexham marriage 1/12/1834 between Thomas Shone and Mary Jones, who could be William & Alice's 2nd daughter. This would tie in with the obituary evidence.
My g. grandmother was Mary Jones (1859 - 1931) and she married Rev. Edward D. Roberts (1842 - 1924) of Bryn Coch, Brymbo in Wrexham 1908. It was the 2nd marriage for the both of them.
Therefore an alternative avenue of research is to try to find the maiden name of Edward Robert's mother.
Thanks again for your help Sue
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Post by angharad on May 16, 2011 13:06:12 GMT
Hi Sue I've only just looked at this message board so I hope you are still using it- I should tell you that you are correct in your assumption that Jane Jones daughter of Alice & William Jones, George & Dragon did marry William Roberts and that your Mary who married Edward Roberts (no D) of Bryncoch, Brymbo was his cousin. Yes Mary Jones did marry Thomas Shone and your other information is correct. I have a detailed family tree - I'm the great granddaughter of Edward Roberts. I wish I could contact you by email - I know that I can help you and save you years of researching!! I hope you see this Angharad
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Post by angharad on Aug 26, 2011 9:38:23 GMT
Does anyone have access to the Wrexham parish register post 1814 A will of Samuel Wms blacksmith from Hope with a wife Elizabeth from Brymbo shows that his daughter Elizabeth married a Thomas Wormsley -we found that in Wrexham church in 1847. But we already had a marriage in 1843 of an Eliza Wms daughter of a Samuel Williams Blacksmith marrying Samuel Jones ( our George & Dragon line). Elizabeth Wms was bp as were her siblings at Hope - she in 1822. The previous sibling was bp there in 1814. So we are trying to work it all out and the first step is to find the marriage of the parents Samuel Williams amd Elizabeth and I had thought from some info received years ago that Elizabeth born 1790 [bp Minera] was also from the George & Dragon family. Wondered whether she was married at Wrexham and also whether there would be a baptism there of an Eliza c 1821. The family lived at Cymmau and later Brymbo
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Post by angharad on Aug 27, 2011 15:40:05 GMT
I have received a marriage that took place at Wrexham in 1815 to an Elizabeth Parry - Samuel Williams was then a widower - if any one comes accross his previous marriage please let me know. It would be I believe to an Elizabeth and before 1814 ( a daughter was bp Hope) I'm trying also to discover what happened to Elizabeh Jones born 1790 to William & Elizabeth Jones of the George & Dragon, Brymbo - did she marry and if so to whom and when.
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Post by eluned on Aug 27, 2011 15:53:52 GMT
Hi Not sure if I've missed this but can't seem to see where you've mentioned when Samuel was born so this marriage may be too early. Feb 11 1799 Wrexham Samuel Williams x to Elizabeth Richardson x both otp wit John Jones & Rich'd Meeson I only have the transcripts for marr by banns, 1769-1800
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Post by angharad on Sept 5, 2011 17:33:56 GMT
Thanks - but it's too early - he was born 1787 in Hope and "my" Elizabeth in 1790 Brymbo.
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Post by dcg on May 18, 2018 15:36:59 GMT
Hello I'm researching the Griffiths family tree and my ancestor William Griffiths (born c.1778) married a Mary Jones (born c. 1786) possibly around 1806. Mary's death certificate has an Alice Jones as being present at the death and I think this Alice Jones may have been widow of the publican of the George & Dragon. Does any of this fit with your research?
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