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Post by angharad on May 24, 2011 18:25:55 GMT
I had a look in the newspaper for 1862 and nothing - actually I didn't come accross anything from Llangwm at all - perhaps it was a later period that he was correspondent
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Post by annedw on May 24, 2011 20:35:47 GMT
There a few Robert Jones born about that time and still living in Llangwm, all are with parents except this one. AAAArgh , more Catherine`s
1871 RG10; Piece: 5680; Folio: 19; Page: 3 All B Llangwm. Fronbach , Tre Llan Village Llangwm Catherine Davies 40 marr Quarry/ ag labs wife Catherine Davies 19 unm dau. John Davies 10 son Thomas R Davies 4 son David Davies 1 son Robert Jones 8 boarder
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Post by annedw on May 25, 2011 13:08:24 GMT
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Post by eluned on May 25, 2011 17:02:28 GMT
There is another marriage of a Catherine Ellis to a Henry Edwards Corwen Dec 1870 I tried to locate this couple to enable us to rule it in (or out) as a possible first marriage for Catherine....but I can't find them in 1871 either Modified - to add Corwen CivilThere is also a marriage in 1873 another Corwen Civil one.. Catherine Edwards EDWARDS John HUGHES John MATHEWS Tamar Checking the 1881 locates Tamar and John Edwards living in Hafodgynfor I shall check the 1881 later for Catherine and Henry Edwards unless someone beats me to it ;D
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Post by nellie on May 26, 2011 11:17:40 GMT
Hi Eluned, I have beaten you to it RG11/5538/88/7Corwen Tan y Bwlch,Bettws-Gwerfil-Goch Harry Edwards b1846 Bettws Catherine " b 1847 Clocaenog, Denbighshire David age 10 b Bettws Elizabeth age 8 b " Jane age 6 b " Margaret age 6 b " Robert age 0 b "
As I haven't studied the detail of the preceding posts so I don't know whether this rules the marriage of Catherine Ellis to Henry Edwards in or out but hope it resolves it one way or the other. Nellie
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Post by annedw on May 26, 2011 14:05:21 GMT
Hughes and Owen Builders.
December 23, 1882 Wrexham Advertiser. On Dec 18th at 2 Trevor Street Wrexham, Jane the wife of William Owen of the firm of Hughes and Owen died. Aged 38 she is buried in Wrexham Cemetery 03789 William died at Rhianfa, Bersham Road, aged 58 buried 19 May 1903 with Jane. He was born in Beaumaris, Anglesey. Jane was born Amwlch, Anglesey.
Denbs Records Office. Coedpoeth DD/BE/109. Correspondence and papers concerning assignment of business and builders effects etc., Adwyrclawdd: Richard Hughes to Messrs Hughes & Owen. 1889 (1 bdle.).
1891 RG12; Piece: 4614; Folio 57; Page 33 Brynheulog Adwy. Richard Hughes 56 building surveyor b Adwy Jane wife 56 b Llandegla
So is there any connection between these .
1871 RG10; Piece: 5655; Folio: 121; Page: 27 All born Bersham Coedpoeth to Ffordd Glai Hughes Hou` David Hughes 52 stonemason Elizabeth Hughes 53 John Hughes 21 stonemason Thomas Hughes 18 stonecutter Harriet E Hughes 6 dau
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Post by eluned on May 26, 2011 18:45:13 GMT
Thank you Nellie! This now rules out the Catherine married to Henry Edwards. Looks like you might have something there Annedws
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Post by annedw on May 27, 2011 20:31:33 GMT
I would guess that John Hughes, who is supposed to be buried in Coedpoeth is in a nonconformist graveyard and as he was a stonemason I would imagine there was a headstone. Rehoboth has a David and John Hughes on the same stone 55. It may be worth checking these out at A N Palmer centre. I don`t think any MI`s for Adwy have been done. www.tom-mercer-mi-indexes.org.uk/
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Post by annedw on May 30, 2011 12:53:58 GMT
,I have found the John Hughes - plain John Hughes, no Allington - in the 1871 census - Bersham - can't read the road name properly -it reads Coedpoeth to Ffordd Glai. He's 21 son of David & Elizabeth Hughes, a stonemason like his father. Found in Minera baptisms. 1848 Apr 16 HUGHES Ann, Davies ( David?) stonemason , Elizabeth, Coedpoeth 1850 Oct 08 HUGHES John , David stonemason, Elizabeth Coedpoeth
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Post by annedw on Jun 4, 2011 14:47:55 GMT
John Hughes . Putting it all together . John Hughes was baptised at Minera Church on October 8th 1850 son of David stonemason and Elizabeth his wife. A daughter Ann was baptised previously on April 16th 1848
In 1871 living at Hughes Hous` Coepoeth to Fford Glai are David 52 a stonemason, Elizabeth, John 21 stonemason, Thomas 18 stone cutter and Harriet E aged 6. In the previous 1861 census Ann aged 13 is still at home . After John there were no further baptisms at Minera. The family probably became non conformist.
A death announcement was in the Wrexham Advertiser for John A Hughes HUGHES. 1880 Dec 9th at his residence 43 Windsor Terrace, Rhosddu, J A Hughes , grocer aged 30 . He left a will in the name of John Hughes, naming Catherine Hughes relict.
1881 43 Windsor Terrace, Wrexham Catherine Hughes widow, 37 grocer b Llangwm Samuel Van Leer Hughes son b Wrexham.
Thanks to Tom Mercer who has just sent me this. Rehoboth MI`s. 55. Column. In memory of John Hughes who died Decr` 1 1880 aged 30 years. In memory of David Hughes Salem Road Coedpoeth who departed this life February 9th 1884 aged 66.
All the ages and dates match, so I really do think this is the elusive John ( Allington) Hughes. Now ------ the marriage ?
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Post by eluned on Jun 4, 2011 19:09:37 GMT
1891 Salem Road, Coedpoeth RG12/4614/120/19 Elizabeth Hughes wid 75 living on her own means b.Llanarmon David M Stanton unm boarder 21 miner b.Coedpoeth Robert T Daniell boarder 30 b.Bwlchgwyn Edward Jones boarder 49 engine driver b.Waen, FLN 1881 Salem Road, Coedpoeth RG11/5515/129/21 David Hughes H mar 64 stonemason b.Bersham Elizabeth wife 63 b.Llanarmon Ann Ranford visitor mar 33 b.Llanarmon Thomas Hughes son mar 29 stonemason b.Llanarmon Harriet E. Hughes daur 17 dressmaker b.Llanarmon David M. Stanton g.son 11 scholar b.Llanarmon 1871 RG10; Piece: 5655; Folio: 121; Page: 27 All born Bersham Coedpoeth to Ffordd Glai Hughes Hou` David Hughes 52 stonemason Elizabeth Hughes 53 John Hughes 21 stonemason Thomas Hughes 18 stonecutter Harriet E Hughes 6 dau 1861 Coedpoeth RG9/4285/19/31 David Hughes H mar 45 stonemason b.DEN Elizabeth 45 b.DEN Ann daur 13 sch b.DEN John son 10 sch b.DEN Thomas son 7 sch b.DEN John Burton lodger unm 24 leadminer b.Montgomeryshire 1851 Coedpoeth HO107/2503/665/22 David Hughes H mar 33 stonemason b.DEN Elizabeth wife 31 b.DEN Ann daur 3 b.DEN John son 6mth b.DEN
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Post by tominera on Jun 4, 2011 19:46:58 GMT
Baptism in Rehoboth, Coedpoeth 12 6 1864----HUGHES Harriet born 12 5 1864 to David & Elizabeth Hughes, Coedpoeth
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Post by eluned on Jun 4, 2011 21:22:07 GMT
1871 next page to David and Elizabeth Hughes RG10/5655/121/28 William E Stanton H mar 28 leadminer b.Swansea Ann wife 24 b.Bersham Elizabeth A daur 5 b.Bersham David M son 1 b.Bersham
Also noted living 2 doors away, Thomas Stanton boarder 35 mar leadminer b.Swansea
William Edward Stanton marr Ann Hughes/Mary Ann Johns Wrexham St Giles Sep 1/4 1864
Modified - Where do the Stanton's go after 1871?
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Post by eluned on Jun 4, 2011 21:42:01 GMT
Baptism in Rehoboth, Coedpoeth 12 6 1864----HUGHES Harriet born 12 5 1864 to David & Elizabeth Hughes, Coedpoeth Just call me suspicious but Elizabeth would have been aged approx 47yrs old at this time, not impossible I know. Their other daughter Ann was 16yrs and marries shortly after.
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Post by annedw on Jun 4, 2011 21:49:57 GMT
Possible marriage North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1846 St Giles Wrexham HUGHES David EDWARDS John C45/02/218 JOHNSON Elizabeth C45/02/218 THOMAS Elizabeth C45/02/218 Free BMD narrows it down to Mar qtr 1846, but only Elizabeth Thomas is listed ?
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Post by eluned on Jun 5, 2011 8:00:32 GMT
Hi So that would confirm David Hughes married Elizabeth Thomas. There is also an earlier marriage Dec 1/4 1841 St Giles, Wrexham to Elizabeth Jones
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Post by annedw on Jun 5, 2011 17:46:04 GMT
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Post by angharad on Jun 12, 2011 10:22:38 GMT
Thought I would let you know. Today I received an email from Dilys Lloyd who originally was searching for information and in it she says that Catherine Ellis and John Allington Hughes married in Scranton, USA - the source being Hafina Clwyd's book. I looked at that book and there it gives the year of marriage as 1874. So no wonder we couldn't find the marriage. If we'd only known. I cannot verify the information and don't know how difficult or easy it would be to discover the marriage
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Post by angharad on Jun 12, 2011 17:28:01 GMT
The latest development is the discovery of this notice in the Wrexham Advertiser June 14, 1874
Hughes-Ellis: In Scranton, Pa. America, John A. Hughes of Brymbo, near Wrexham to Katherine, eldest daughter of the Rev. H. Ellis of Llangwm, Corwen, both of North Wales
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Post by eluned on Jun 18, 2011 15:36:10 GMT
Hi angharad That's an excellent find, well done.
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Post by eluned on Jun 19, 2011 12:12:16 GMT
Some ideas Passenger Lists Leaving UK 1890-1960 www.findmypast.co.uk/migration.jsp1870 United States Federal Census on Ancestry. Perhaps someone with a subscription to these sites would be able to do a lookup for you or they are sometimes available at FHS and/or local libraries.
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Post by angharad on Aug 23, 2011 18:17:14 GMT
I have received information from a Scranton newspaper - the Morning Republican - that the marriage took place in the city of Scranton of John A Hughes & Catharine Ellis of Wilkes Barre on the 23 April 1874
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Post by annedw on Aug 25, 2011 19:44:41 GMT
Announcement in paper. Attachments:
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Post by jo on Feb 25, 2014 23:38:17 GMT
hello can you contact me please. on face book, jo allington hughes gibson.
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Post by jo on Feb 26, 2014 20:34:42 GMT
A google search shows a Humphrey Ellis, Llangwm, co. Denbigh, Congregational Minister. also archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CLWYD/2001-06/0992198364"Robert Ellis, Hendre Ddu, Bala b1770 helped Thomas Charles with his working in spreading the gospel in those parts. Robert Ellis's eldest brother, Rev Thomas Ellis bap 1765 was the founder of the Independent Chapel, Llangwm & Pentrellyncymer. Rev Thomas Ellis's youngest son, Rev Humphrey Ellis b 1811 was a minister for 56 yrs in Llangwm." This is my Great, Great grandfather, thomas Ellis, , my Grand father was david h, Hughes, and I stayed at his brothers hill farm in Llangwm around 1950, who was thomas ellis hughes.
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Post by jo on Mar 1, 2014 19:01:25 GMT
The latest development is the discovery of this notice in the Wrexham Advertiser June 14, 1874 Hughes-Ellis: In Scranton, Pa. America, John A. Hughes of Brymbo, near Wrexham to Katherine, eldest daughter of the Rev. H. Ellis of Llangwm, Corwen, both of North Wales These are my Greatgrand parents.!!
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Post by noferrariyet on Sept 27, 2016 23:09:09 GMT
A google search shows a Humphrey Ellis, Llangwm, co. Denbigh, Congregational Minister. also archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CLWYD/2001-06/0992198364"Robert Ellis, Hendre Ddu, Bala b1770 helped Thomas Charles with his working in spreading the gospel in those parts. Robert Ellis's eldest brother, Rev Thomas Ellis bap 1765 was the founder of the Independent Chapel, Llangwm & Pentrellyncymer. Rev Thomas Ellis's youngest son, Rev Humphrey Ellis b 1811 was a minister for 56 yrs in Llangwm." This is my Great, Great grandfather, thomas Ellis, , my Grand father was david h, Hughes, and I stayed at his brothers hill farm in Llangwm around 1950, who was thomas ellis hughes.
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Post by noferrariyet on Sept 27, 2016 23:24:31 GMT
hello can you contact me please. on face book, jo allington hughes gibson. Hello Jo.....I am just looking at the site and about John Allington Hughes.I am related and Dilys Lloyd that put an article on here a long while back, is my Dads sister.I am Barry,a son to the late Idris Evans.I am not too sure who you are ?.Please get in touch if you see this.Many thanks.
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Post by eluned on Oct 22, 2016 9:56:47 GMT
Hi noferraiyet If you click on jo's name you will go to her profile where she appears to have an email address. I'm unsure if her settings only allow ourselves as admin to see it though. If this is the case, let us know and we'll try to contact her on your behalf. PS I hope the Ferrari drives into your life sooner rather than later!!
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