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Post by kiwibarb23 on Dec 8, 2015 3:49:35 GMT
Hi All,
I am researching my Evans family from the Wrexham area.......I believe. Unfortunately I do not have a lot to go on. Recently I did have some research done so I am trying to follow up on that.
Gt Grandfather - Edward Evans b abt 1855 - Wrexham died August 1915 in a workhouse in Liverpool. He married Helena Rosina Evans in 1907 in Kirkdale. They had several children one being my grandfather. I have found this family. My Welsh family are the mystery.
Edward's father was Thomas Evans (from marriage cert) No occupation recorded as Thomas was deceased in 1907.
Information below is what has been found.
Edward Evans' birth certificate. Born 17th November 1856 in Pentre'r fron, Bersham-father Thomas, Coal Miner and mother Elizabeth formerly Bury. This couple marry in Erbistock in 1855. I can see no record of a baptism.On the downside they then appear to vanish after that ! There is an Edward Evans age 13 in Wrexham Workhouse in 1871 which could be our Edward, however he has his age entered as 13 and place of birth as Acrefair.
Thomas and Elizabeth's marriage is on FMP along with Parish records from Minera for a Edward Evans baptised 7 December 1856 abode Pentr'r fron father Collier. I have also found Elizabeth Evans baptised Minera 14 March 1858 also on Parish records. This seems to be a "possible" baptism for my Gt Grandfather Edward and his sister. I have not been able to find this family in any of the census, 1861,71,81.
While I have no proof that any of these people are my family I do wonder if this "may" be my them. I cannot find anything about Edward till he appears on the 1891 census in West Derby with "Ellen" (Helena Rosina Carpenter) and children. Edward was a slater's labourer.
Any help would be very much appreciated in finding this Evans Family.
Kind regards Barbara, New Zealand
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Post by annedw on Dec 19, 2015 16:09:08 GMT
Hi. Do you have the 1855 marriage certificate / entry , it seems rather odd that they marry in Erbistock . Not all of us have access to FMP There may be some clues, abode - occupations -who were their fathers - names of witnesses. etc.
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 1, 2016 23:23:49 GMT
Unfortunately at this time I do not have the marriage certificate. I am unfamiliar with this area so could you tell me why it is that it seems odd that they marry in Erbistock? Probably that is my next course is to get the marriage cert. As this is info that I have been given I am a little reluctant as I know nothing about this family apart from their son Edward my G Grandfather. The Welsh side of this family is a little bewildering. Thank you for your time looking at my query. Regards Barbara NZ
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Post by annedw on Jan 2, 2016 20:07:49 GMT
Erbistock 1872 Erbistock Church is at the bottom LH side of map. maps.nls.uk/view/102342384#zoom=4&lat=3128&lon=2994&layers=BTCoedpoeth 1872 A Pentre`r Fron is marked just to the right of the place name MINERA and to the right of there is Vron Colliery maps.nls.uk/view/102341204#zoom=4&lat=7110&lon=3905&layers=BTToday it is about 11 miles from Coedpoeth to Erbistock with new roads , but in those days by horse it would take quite a while. There are no coal mines in the Erbistock area, it was and still is mostly farmland, and so would be an odd place for Thomas, a coal miner to marry unless Elizabeth was from there. I can check the marriage for you in my local archives, it will be in the next couple of weeks. Hopefully both fathers will be named.
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Post by annedw on Jan 3, 2016 17:36:09 GMT
These are in Minera baptisms.
1856 Dec 7 EVANS Edward, parents Thomas collier Elizabeth. Pentre'r Fron 1858 Mar 14 EVANS Elizabeth parents.Thomas collier Elizabeth. Pentre y Fron
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 4, 2016 2:05:59 GMT
Thank you Andrew for the information you posted. I appreciate it. I had found the baptisms of Edward and Elizabeth.
According to a person who has done some research for me Edward, my G Grandfather was born 17 November 1856, in Pentre'r fron, Bersham-father Thomas.
So, the Baptism that I found for Edward & Elizabeth sounds a "possbility".
I would very much appreciate you checking up the marriage for me at the local archives. Thank you.
I just need to see if the Thomas and Elizabeth along with their children Edward and Elizabeth are in fact my family members.
The researcher said that an Edward was found in the 1871 census in a Workhouse in Wrexham, age 13yrs. I have still to find this and see if at all Elizabeth is on there as well. He has not been found in the 1881 census as yet. The earliest I have him is 1891 in Toxtheth Park Liverpool with him "wife" & children, one being my grandfather.
Many thanks.
Regards Barbara
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Post by annedw on Jan 4, 2016 15:21:17 GMT
Marriage 7th April 1855. St Hilary`s Erbistock. Thomas Evans of full age. bachelor. collier. Abode Wrexham. Father Enoch Evans collier. Elizabeth Bury of full age spinster. Abode Erbistock. Father Edward Bury stonemason. Witnesses Aaron Evans. Ann Roberts. Elizabeth Bury signed her name . All others made their mark.
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Post by annedw on Jan 4, 2016 15:41:29 GMT
I looked in Erbistock PR`s but there are no Bury names at all. I can`t find an Elizabeth with a father Edward who is a stonemason, but we don`t know where she was born or how old she is. I might have traced Enoch and Aaron, but can`t find Thomas. Again we don`t know how old he was. The census records are confusing as they have various places of birth, but names of children are quite a good clue. Ruth may have been from an earlier marriage. She was born c 1822, and Enoch and Susan married in 1827/28 at Clocaenog which is part of Ruthin. Thomas may have been from an earlier , you would have to find that There is the link with Pentre Fron. Enoch Evans Susan Williams Marriage 10 Mar 1827 / 1828 Clocaenog, Denbighshire, Wales 1851 Adwy Clawydd . Bersham All children born Wrexham Groch (Enoch) Evans 50 collier b Wrexham Susanah Evans 52 Ruth Evans 29 b 1822 Anne Evans 19 b 1832 Aaron Evans 14 Hannah Evans 10 Jane Evans 7 Mariah Evans 4 1861 Adwy Enock Evans 62 b Minera Susan Evans 61 b Ruthin Jane Evans 18 b Adwy Hannah Evans 20 b Adwy 1871 Talwrn Road . Talwrn . Enoch Evans 72 labourer at colliery b Pentre Fron. Wrexham Susan Evans 71 b Cloceinog Maria Evans 24 b Minera. DEATHS Enoch Evans 79 Jun qtr 1877 Wrexham Evans Susan 77 Jun qtr 1872 Wrexham Aaron was baptised Non Conformist as were some other children of Enoch and Susannah. familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wrexham#Nonconformist_Church_RecordsPENTREFELIN STREET INDEPENDENT, WREXHAM, DENBIGH, WALES familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Wrexham#Nonconformist_Church_RecordsHope this helps a little.
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 5, 2016 3:32:42 GMT
My apologies Annedw for calling you Andrew in a previous email!
Thank you so much for the wonderful work you have done researching this family for me. I certainly hope that the time and effort you have put into this that it is my family.
I will look further to see what I can sort from here. Just need to sort out what you have found and put it into some order so I know what I am looking for.
Again, thank you so much.
I will let you know how I get on. May take me a while to get to what I am looking for. This family is quite difficult to research, even the family in Liverpool has been a challenge and still working on a couple of my grandfather's brothers, born in Bootle, Liverpool.
I was in UK in August/Sept 2015 and wish I had known what I know now so I could have made a trip to Wrexham to research further.
Kindest regards Barbara
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Post by annedw on Jan 5, 2016 20:51:33 GMT
I thought as Aaron was a witness for Thomas, then he might have done the same, but they were Jonathon Hughes and Cornelia Williams. marriage St Giles 1863 In 1871 and 1881 Aaron and Mary have no children, I would have thought that if the Edward in the workhouse was his nephew , then they would have taken him in. I don`t think it`s him.
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 5, 2016 22:28:37 GMT
Again thank you annedw I appreciate your thoughts on this. I too feel that the Edward in the workhouse is not my family.! Thank you also for the marriage certificate.
Regards Barbara
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 6, 2016 9:24:36 GMT
Hi annedw I have spent quite a bit of time looking at the family of Enoch and Susan Williams today and have found no Thomas what so ever with a father Enoch. Gosh didn't realise Enoch was such a "popular" name. There is a family tree on Ancestry with all of the family of Susan and Enoch and it looks quite well researched. I have written to the person with the tree and asked if they have come across a Thomas. Hopefully I will get a reply at some stage. I am struggling to say that this is my family as the names are quite different to my Evans family names. Sarah, Thomas and Edward being the most popular. I realise that these are "common" names for the era I am looking for but they have come down the line since the early 1800's to my generation. If the marriage of Thomas and Elizabet s correct then could Aaron one of the witnesses be a "cousin" and not a sibbling?? Who is Ann Roberts?? Still a lot of work to do and my eyes are a a bit glazed over so maybe I have done my dash for today. Kind regards Barbara
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Jan 7, 2016 13:56:23 GMT
After looking at the above information, I do believe we have the dame family. It is very complex so I might get us all confused. The Thomas that you have been looking for is not mentioned as a child of Enoch Evans b.11/4/1801 married to Susan Williams C1801 of Clocaenog. The children I have for this family are Ruth Bapt 1821 Clocaenog (father unknown) Enoch (Den) Bapt 1827 Clocaenog (married Elizabeth Davies and later Mary Dodd) ----- This Mary Dodd was married first to Aaron Evans brother to Enoch (Den) Anne Born 1832 Adwr y Clawdd (possibly married Joseph Reynolds Aaron born 1835 (married Mary Dodd 11/4/1862 St. Giles, Wrexham, whom she later married brother of Aaron Enoch Hannah Circ.1841 (possibly married Robert Blackshaw) Jane circ.1844 Mariah Circ.1847 It does however, seem strange that the Thomas we are looking for (and I do not have record of) is not within the family, but his marriage to Elizabeth Bury does pretty much confirm he is from the same one, as Aaron his brother being witness and Enock Evans being his father and also the marriage between Enoch and his brother Aaron both to Mary Dodd also proves the connection. I hope this doesn't sound too confusing and that it makes sense. If you think otherwise, please correct me.
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Post by annedw on Jan 7, 2016 15:08:23 GMT
Hi Sharon.
For Ruth - When you say father unknown, is this stated in the PR`s , so who was her mother ?. Could the elusive Thomas have the same mother, or even be from a previous marriage or either Enoch or Susan.
Do you use FMP. I`m only on Anc.
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Jan 7, 2016 15:51:37 GMT
Hi Annette, There is a baptism entry In Clocaenog, page 15 for Ruth illigitimate daughter of Susan Williams of Clocaenog dated 28 January 1821 (no father is mentioned) , the next entry for Clocaenog is on page 24, Enoch illigitimate son of Enoch Evans of Wrexham and Susan Williams of Clocaenog dated 5th November 1827.
Marriage of Enoch Evans and Susan Williams page 16, Clocaenog Parish by Banns 10th March 1828 in the presence of Robert Jones and the mark of Elizabeth Williams
Birth entry for Anne 5th April 1832 daughter of Enoch and Susannah Evans Collier Adwyr Clawdd Birth entry for Aaron 30 April 1835 son of Enoch and Susannah Evans Collier Adwyr Clawdd The two above entries (BMDRegisters) also state father Enoch was from Wrexham and Susannah Williams from Clocaenog I haven't got Hannah, Jane or Mariah's birth/baptism entries.
Thomas the missing child, may have been born just after Ruth, the first child of Susan (Susannah for posh) Williams, there was quite a large gap between 1st and 2nd child and maybe he was passed onto another member of the family. I have known this to happen, where a first child was kept and then the second was given away. It has occurred in another part of my family tree.
With evidence suggesting that this Thomas' father was ENOCH EVANS, a COLLIER, an AARON EVANS present on his marriage certificate and AARON EVANS' widow MARY DODD, marrying possible brother ENOCK EVANS, there a 3 possible arrows linking Thomas to the above tree. What do you think!
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Post by annedw on Jan 7, 2016 20:45:29 GMT
It`s a tricky one. The details marriage of Thomas Evans to Elizabeth Bury would normally clinch it, but where is Thomas before the marriage. I can`t find a suitable one in 1851, there are a few servants around but I`m not convinced about them. Who was Elizabeth Bury, I can`t find her with a father Edward a stonemason. Where did they go after the births of Edward and Elizabeth. Barbara has found who may be the right Edward in 1891/1901/1911. I `m not sure about the 1891 record, place of birth of wife is different. . Barbara. Can you post all the census details . There are children born before the marriage in 1907, what happened to them. Barbara. Can you post the full details of the marriage. Are there any clues with the witnesses . The Cornelia Williams at Aarons marriage is possibly this one. Again, where is she in 1851. 1861 Acton Cornelia Williams 19 b Minera. servant. If we could just find Thomas and Elizabeth after the marriage at least we would have ages and places of birth. I have a headache now
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 8, 2016 1:01:41 GMT
Annette & Sharon. I am attaching information on my family that I know is my family. This might give you an idea of where I am at and coming from. Had to put it together for other family members so they could see how our family was coming together. I have been working on this family since about 2006. My mother was the daughter of Albert Martin Evans and they immigrated to New Zealand from Bootle, Liverpool in 1923. I have had two visits meeting my UK family and we have shared similar photos that I have of Helena, nothing of Edward. I have found all the family but still need to follow up on information on Thomas Edward Evans and Thomas Alfred Evans. They are proving to be elusive as well. Evans Family History 1.doc (36.5 KB) Albert Martin & Annie Keatinge were married 1910 St. Mathews Bootle. It is Edward's birth and his father Thomas that are the mystery. While the researcher has given me a DOB for Edward I have no proof, certificate whatsoever that it is him. I am not even sure where she found the birth? The NZ death certs are extremely good and give a lot more information than any other death cert that I have ever seen. So I know that my Gt Grandparents are Helena Rosina Evans/Carpenter and Edward Evans Slater. I will attach part of the death cert. I have had a look to see how I can copy the Census but not sure how. Will maybe attach as JPG. Annette I know this is a very confusing family and at times hard to get one's head around. Regards Barbara Attachments:
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 8, 2016 1:15:30 GMT
I have been going over information and certificates I have of the Evans family and note that when Walter James Evans was married in 1914 that one of his witnesses is a John William Evans. I have looked this name up in the Liverpool area but not in Wales!. On birth certs for all of Edward & Helena's children they have Helena down as Ellen Carpenter and Edward Evans. Edward's occupation is either General Labourer or Slater's labourer.
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 8, 2016 1:34:33 GMT
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 8, 2016 1:35:42 GMT
Hopefully this will give you the information that helps look for Edward & Thomas. I really appreciate any help I can get on Edward & Thomas.
Thank you.
Regards Barbara
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Post by annedw on Jan 9, 2016 14:16:54 GMT
I`ve tried to work backwards hoping to meet up in the middle some where, but this is all I can find. I can`t find the baptism of Walter, but this is definitely the baptisms of the twins. They had a private baptism P. B ( possibly at home) which usually means they were very poorly and perhaps not expected to live. They are at the same address as the 1901 census. There is a photograph on the link. Birth indexes. These births are registered on the same page in the index and could be twins . Ellen Evans 1900 Quarter:Apr-May-Jun Registration district: West Derby Volume :8b Page: 625 Sarah Esther Evans 1900 Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: West Derby Volume: 8b Page: 625 streetsofliverpool.co.uk/west-derby-village-c1880/Baptism: 11 Apr 1900 St Mary the Virgin, West Derby, Ellen Evans - [Child] of Edward Evans & Ellen Sarah Evans - [Child] of Edward Evans & Ellen Born: 11 Apr 1900 Abode: 7 Barracks Occupation: Labourer Notes: P. B. Baptised by: Percy Stewart Rector Found here - www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/tocs.html1901 7 The Barracks West Derby Edward Evans 48 slaters labourer b Wrexham Ellen Evans 39 b Bristol Edward Evans 6 b Bootle Walter Evans 4 b Liverpool Ellen Evans 10/12 “ Sarah Evans 10/12 “ In 1911 the twins are missing. This may be their deaths, the 1901 census was taken 31 March, if they died very soon after then they would be 0 because they are less than 1 years old. Of course to be 100 % sure then certificates are needed. Sarah Esther Evans 1901 Registration Quarter:Apr-May-Jun Age at Death:0 Registration district:West Derby Volume:8b Page: 385 Ellen Evans 1901 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Age at Death: 0 Registration district: West Derby Volume: 8b Page: 386
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 9, 2016 22:27:06 GMT
Hi Annette,
Yes, the twins died within days of each other. Esther on 1st April 1901 and Ellen 4 April 1901 Have their death certs.
Yes, they were a poor family. Helena was also born in a very poor area in Bristol, called the Dings. I do have all this information and sorry I didn't put it in for you initially.
My main research in Wales is of course that of Thomas and Edward.
Thank you for taking the time to look all this up.
Regards Barbara
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2016 12:36:34 GMT
I don`t think this the right family. Thomas and Elizabeth Evans. Coepoeth
Thomas is not at home and I can`t find him. Elizabeth is missing. Some parts of the 1861 census are missing. 1861 Lodge, The Barracks, St Martins, Shropshire Elizabeth Evans head marr 36 coal miners wife b Baschurch Shropshire c 1825 Edward Evans son 4 b Tallah, Denbighshire. Is `Tallah` actually Talwrn, maybe the enumerator just entered what it sounded like . St Martins was a coal mining area, and many families from all areas went there to find work. 1871 Williams Row, Talwrn Road. 2 pages (Enoch Evans & Susan on the 2nd page ) Thomas Evans 38 coal miner b Adwy Clawdd c 1833 Elizabeth Evans 42 b Baschurch c 1829 Ann Evans 9 b Chirk Thomas Evans 7 b Chirk Alice Evans 5 b Chirk Mary Evans 2 b Adwy Clawdd. If Alice was born Chirk c 1866 and Mary in Coedpoeth c 1869, then we can roughly date when they left. Where are Edward and Elizabeth, have they died ? I can`t find the family in 1881. 1881 Alice Evans 15 servant in Stansty ? Minera baptisms 1886 Jun 29 Job Evans son of Alice (single woman Coedpoeth 1891 Upper Talwrn Road. Bersham. ( Coedpoeth) speaks both English and Welsh Thomas Evans 62 labourer b Bersham c 1829 Elizabeth Evans 64 b Baschurch, Shropshire b 1827 Annie Evans dau 29 b Chirk c 1862 Job Evans gr son 4 b Bersham Minera burials. As Thomas has different ages in the census, the either of these may he him. 1893 Nov 25 EVANS Thomas Adwy, Bersham 67 1895 Mar 30 EVANS Thomas Adwy'r Clawdd 62 1898 Oct 24 EVANS Elizabeth Coedpoeth 71 I have found another Evans family from Wrexham and will post them later. MODIFIED ELIZABETH BURY IN 1851 Northgate St Chester William Low 37 civil engineer b Rothesay Scotland Elizabeth Low 30 b Knutsford Cheshire Elizabeth Low 10 b Glasgow Richard M S Low 3 Mo b St George Glouc. Elizabeth Berry 24 SERVANT BORN BASCHURCH
William Low was involved in the Vron Colliery, very close to where Thomas and Elizabeth (Bury) lived. He also made plans for a Channel tunnel.
thefireonthehill.wordpress.com/2011/06/02/william-low-and-the-vron-colliery/
Could Elizabeth have come to Coedpoeth with the Low family and there met Thomas . Perhaps she left and went to Erbistock to work. I am sure this is her.
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2016 13:03:02 GMT
THIS IS THE WRONG FAMILY TO THOSE KIWIBARB IS SEARCHING FOR
Job Evans has a story of his own. It seems his age is a bit iffy on census and some of the Canadian Records, but I`m sure it`s him .
Births Jun 1886 EVANS Job Wrexham
Minera baptisms 1886 Jun 29 Job Evans son of Alice (single woman Coedpoeth)
1891 Upper Talwrn Road. Bersham. ( Coedpoeth) Thomas Evans 62 labourer b Bersham c 1829 Elizabeth Evans 64 b Baschurch, Shropshire b 1827 Annie Evans dau 29 b Chirk c 1862 Job Evans gr son 4 b Bersham
1901 Gwenfro Cottage , Heol Llewlellyn , Bersham Mary Evans S 32 laundress b Bersham Wrexham Job Evans nephew 14 collier b Bersham Mary Roberts S lodger 58 b Cefn Mawr (deaf)
Job went to Canada. U.S., Naturalization Records. Job Evans Age:22 Birth:6 May 1888 Birth Wrexham, North Wales, Arrival Year: 1908 Issue Date: 17 Nov 1910 State: Alaska Locality, Court: Juneau, District Court
14 Aug 1908 age 22 miner arrived Quebec aboard Empress of Britain headed for Winnipeg Aug 1908 Border Crossings from Canada to USA age 22 miner aboard unnamed ship from Vancouver BC to Douglas Island Alaska - named aunt Mary Evans as relative
Aunt Mary Evans address was 36 St. Andrews Road, St. Annes on the Sea, Preston.
District Court of Juneau, Alaska, Job Evans, age 22, miner, height 5'7", 150lbs, hair dark brown, eyes dark gray, tattoo "JE" on inside right arm, born Wrexham, North Wales, May 6, 1888, now resides in Treadwell, Alaska. Emigrated from USA via Vancouver, B.C. on the vessel "Princess Royal", last foreign residence Ponty Pridd, Wales. Arrived port of Seattle, Washington August 21, 1908. Sworn Nov. 17, 1910, and he signs his name.
1910 USA census, Juneau, Alaska Evans, J. age 23, b. May 1886 Wales, single, roomer, miner, immigration yr. 1908
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MPZ2-SCC
I think Job also went by the name of Joseph. WW2 Draft Reg. Card 1942 Evans, Joseph, age 55, b. May 6, 1886 Denbigh, North Wales of 335 77th St., Seattle, Washington familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVJT-FFXJ
1940 USA census, Seattle, Washington, 335 77th St. Evans, Joseph, age 53 b. Wales Evans, Mary Ellen, age 59, b. England familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K93M-3PM
WW1 Draft Reg. Card 1917-1918 Evans, Joseph, age 37, b. May 6, 1886, place of employment Treadwell, Alaska, nearest relative Mary E. Evans of Douglas, Alaska (which matches the 1930 USA census)
familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZVQ-6KJ
There is a death in Skagit, Washington for Mary Ellen Evans age 69, father Henry Edwards, mother Mary Madden. www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/22301F92B2D4BBEE09C5F3A4BD736334
Find A Grave for Mary Ellen Evans, Holyrood Catholic Cemetery, Shoreline, King County,Washington. www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19130098
There is a death in Seattle, Washington for Joseph Evans, b. May 6, 1886 d. Feb. 1974
www.digitalarchives.wa.gov/Record/View/A02C7752881260F8705199142610C6E9
Find A Grave, same cemetery as Mary Ellen www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Evans&GSiman=1&GScid=76860&GRid=19130140&
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2016 18:27:56 GMT
THOMAS EVANS WREXHAM CORRECT FAMILY
This is what you have.
Where is Albert in 1901 ?
1911 53 Clifford St Bootle Lanc Edward Evans 56 Labourer General b Wrexham 1855 Ellen Evans 56 b Bristol Edward Evans 19 b Bootle Walter Evans 16 “ Thomas Evans 9 “
1901 7 The Barracks West Derby Edward Evans 48 slaters labourer b Wrexham 1853 Ellen Evans 39 b Bristol Edward Evans 6 b Bootle xxx Walter Evans 4 b Liverpool Ellen Evans 10/12 “ Sarah Evans 10/12 “
1891 41 Braemar St. Kirkdale. West Derby Edward Evans 36 general labourer b Wrexham c 1855 Ellen Evans 32 b Wrexham George E Evans 8 b Liverpool Albert Evans 2 b Liverpool
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This is the other Thomas Evans I found, the problem is that there is no Edward with them.
I can only find them from 1871, when Edward would be about 15/16. Even then they are confusing, it seems Thomas may have married twice, but when did his wife Catherine come to Wrexham. She may even have been married before and had another name apart from McMahon. There are lots of Thomas Evans / Catherine matches.
There are some coincidences though with occupations.
1871 2 Harrison Court . Wrexham Thomas Evans 37 labourer b Wrexham c 1834 Catherine Evans 40 b Ireland Mary Evans 15 b Wrexham Albert Evans 13 “ Sarah Ann Evans 11 “ Eliza Evans 9 “ c 1862 (Elizabeth)
1881 64 Upper Potter Street. Everton . Liverpool Thomas Evans 44 slater b Wrexham c 1837 Catherine Evans 49 b Ireland Elizabeth Evans S 19 b Wrexham b c 1862 Mary Mc Mahon S step daughter 29 b Ireland
MARRIAGE 25 Dec 1884 Toxteth, St Philemon George Henry Clampitt ba 23 father Henry Clampitt , cooper Elizabeth Evans sp 22 father Thomas Evans, plasterer bc 1862 Witnesses Elizabeth Leatherwhite , John Onell .
1891 11 Benbridge Road, Toxteth George Clampett 35 labourer b Liverpool Elizabeth Clampett 33 b Wrexham, Wales 1858 Thomas H Clampett 8 Sarah E Clampett 6
1891 18 Pine Grove . Bootle. Thomas Evans 58 slater b Wrexham Kate Evans 65 b Ireland Mary Evans dau 36 b Ireland (McMahon)
By 1901 Catherine / Kate has died.
1901 16 Ash Road , West Derby George Hy Clampett 40 labourer b Liverpool Elizabeth Clampett 39 b Wrexham c 1862 Thomas H Clampett 16 Sarah E Clampett 14 William I R Clampett 9 George H Clampett 7 Mary M Clampett 4 James Clampett 9/12 Thomas Evans father in law, widower 72 slater b Wrexham 1829
If this is the right Thomas Evans, then he dies before 1907.
There is a coincidence that Thomas is a slater, as is Edward, but there`s no proof that it is his father.
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Jan 11, 2016 11:58:23 GMT
Hi, Annette and Barbara, Sorry I haven't been around much, a hectic weekend also my membership expired with findymypast on the 8th so haven't been able to look up any info. However, Annette, with what you have found upto now, which is impressive does look as though we have different family connections, it seemed such a coincidence regarding Mary Dodd marrying Enoch (Den) Evans and his brother Aaron though. If there is any other info I can provide from my Evans side of the family, do let me know and I will see what I can do. Many thanks.
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Post by annedw on Jan 11, 2016 18:24:24 GMT
Sharon. I don`t think the Coedpoeth Evans are connected to Barbara`s. It`s really odd about the Enoch and Aaron Evans link though. I think I found Elizabeth Bury in 1841. But again with no parents. Children were sent out to work so much earlier back then. 1841 St Chad Shrewsbury Elizabeth Burry 15 servant b Shropshire, abt 1826
The Wrexham Evans seem more likely to be Barbara`s, but with no Edward showing it`s difficult. The only Albert Evans I can find b Wrexham is in 1860. Lot of other Alberts between 1850/ 1860. There is a Sarah Ann Evans b 1859 , and lots of Elizabeth Evans about the right time.
Just a shame they are missing in 1861.
I`ve had to colour code them so I know which is which
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 13, 2016 3:07:33 GMT
Annette, Wow what can I say. You have spent so much time looking at this Evans family, thank you so much. To answer the question about Albert Evans in 1901. He is at the Everton boys school training as a bootmaker. This was is occupation for a number of years prior to coming to New Zealand in 1923. I am away at the moment and don't have access to other records till I get home tomorrow. But he is there. Will be back in touch after tomorrow. Barbara
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Post by kiwibarb23 on Jan 14, 2016 4:02:48 GMT
Annette, Looked at the "Evans - Wrexam" family again and there certainly are some coincidences. Note that Thomas Evans living at 18 Pine Grove Bootle. 1895 Edward & Ellen were living at 22 Pine Grove when Walter James was born. Another coincidence?? I am still trying to sort all this in my head, so need to copy it all down and put it into some order of as semblance to see what is what. I only have an Ancestry Sub at this stage but looking at FMP again........maybe?
Again thank you so much for your wonderful help.
Regards Barbara
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Post by annedw on Jan 15, 2016 8:37:53 GMT
Hmm, that is a coincidence. keep us updated on what you find. Maybe something will " click " in the halfway point between England and Wales.
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