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Post by nellie on Sept 13, 2016 10:38:35 GMT
Hello, I have reached a dead end with this and wondered whether anyone could help?
1881 census Brymbo RG11/5516 Nant y Ffrith Richard Anderson 66 Llangwyfin Mary Anderson wife 63 Llandegla Thomas Anderson grandson 9 Brymbo
I have found a birth of a Thomas Anderson Mar 1872 Wrexham 11b 333 and assume that this is the birth record but I cannot find him anywhere else in census records, marriages or deaths.
I initially thought he was the son of Thomas Anderson born 1846 Lletty Llygoden, Llandegla(son of Richard and Mary). The name was Anderton and has changed to Anderson. However I have been unable to find him since 1861 census and may have died in 1863. The other possibility is that he is the illegitimate son of Margaret Anderson born 1849 Lletty Llygoden. She married John Roberts in 1873. I have also struggled to find Margaret after the 1881 census so he could be with her in 1891.She was in Bwlchgwyn in 1881.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Nellie
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Post by frankm on Sept 13, 2016 21:56:37 GMT
Hi nellie, Not had chance to have a good look at this yet. Why did you decide on born 1872 when census says he was 2? This would give 1878 - 1879. I know the ages are not always correct but with a child, big difference between 9 and 2 or 3.
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Post by frankm on Sept 14, 2016 0:15:06 GMT
The 2 must have been a typo. See in the census Thomas was 9 ;-)
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Post by nellie on Sept 14, 2016 14:11:31 GMT
Thanks Frank. I have edited the typo. Think I must have been thinking 1872! Nellie
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Post by tominera on Sept 15, 2016 9:13:22 GMT
Baptism in Bethesda Chapel Bwlchgwyn on 7 1 1872 for a Thomas Anderson son of Margaret Anderson---no mention of a father. Thomas was born 13 12 1871---hope this helps
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Post by frankm on Sept 16, 2016 7:14:47 GMT
Just realised the Anderton was probably the use of a long s which looked some thing like an f, Anderfon rather than a change of name. Could easily have been transcribed as a t. Not much help really. I am just finding what you already have at the moment. You probably already know Richard and Mary appear to also have a daughter Hannah b abt. 1852.
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Post by nellie on Sept 16, 2016 11:28:17 GMT
Thank you Tom, I do believe you have solved the mystery of where Thomas Anderson came from and makes me even more certain that the death in 1863 of Thomas Anderson was probably the son of Richard and Mary, born 1846. I think that the death of Margaret Roberts Jun 1885 Wrexham age 36 is Margaret Anderson. Richard Anderson passed away Jun 1881 and Mary Anderson Mar 1891. Frank, I do have all the information I need on Hannah Anderson up to her death registered Mar 1916. I just need to find out what happened to Thomas after the 1881 census and Margaret's other children, Mary Roberts c1875, Ellis Roberts 1876 and Sarah Roberts 1881 - all born in Brymbo according to the census. There could be other children between 1881 and 1885. Thanks for looking at this - I feel I am getting somewhere at last, Nellie
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Post by frankm on Sept 17, 2016 2:15:52 GMT
Don't know if you have considered this one. Most of the details are right. The boys born in England may have been assumed if they didn't speak Welsh which would not have been that unusual coming from Wrexham area. Mary would be old enough to be working else where and there are at least two deaths in Wrexham of a Sarah Roberts of the right age between 1881 and 1891.
John Roberts England and Wales Census, 1891 County Glamorganshire Parish Briton Ferry Ecclesiastical Parish BRITON FERRY Registration District Neath Residence Note Lowther Street Gender Male Age 40 Marital Status Widower Occupation Collier Birth Year (Estimated) 1851 Birthplace North Wales Page Number 32 Registration Number RG12 Piece/Folio 4461/ 51 Birthplace John Roberts Head M 40 North Wales Elias Roberts Son M 17 England John Roberts Son M 11 England
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Post by nellie on Sept 17, 2016 9:13:55 GMT
Frank, Having checked the marriages for Sarah Roberts in the Wrexham district up to 1901 and being unable to find her in 1891 or 1901 it seems likely that one of the 2 deaths before 1891 is Sarah. This doesn't allow for the whole family leaving the area. Thanks for the suggestion re the family in Briton Ferry,but I have checked the actual 1891 census image and John senior was born in Festiniog and the boys in Briton Ferry. I think I found Ellis sometime ago as a servant in Penmachno in 1891 but need to look at that again as I was still hoping to find all the family together which seems increasingly unlikely. Nellie
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Post by nellie on Sept 17, 2016 11:20:38 GMT
I have now discovered the following announcement in The North Wales Chronicle dated 16th May 1885:-
ROBERTS, On the 5th inst, at Bwlchgwyn, Margaret Roberts age 36.
It would have been better if it had said wife or widow of John Roberts and mother of Mary etc, but I think this concludes my search for Margaret's whereabouts. ( Unless anyone else knows differently) Nellie
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Post by nellie on Sept 17, 2016 12:29:51 GMT
John Roberts remarried in 1887 to a Harriet Steen. From the 1891, 1901 and 1911 census I have established another child of John and Margaret, John Richard Roberts born 1882 in Bwlchgwyn. Ellis was with them in 1901 and was single. John died before the 1911 census. The reason I was having difficulty in finding John was his age (and place of birth). His year of birth is different in each of 1891 and 1901 and the place of birth is shown in one of them as Brymbo, not Ruthin. Similarly with Harriet - she has different ages and birth places. In 1901 there is a daughter Nellie B Roberts born in 1898 (when Harriet was either 54 or 56) who only appears to exist in the 1901 census. In the 1911 census Harriet was said to have been married 24 years and had no children.
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Post by frankm on Sept 17, 2016 12:47:17 GMT
Think you'r right about Margaret. There was another John & Margaret Roberts from the same area which was confusing but I have found them in later census. Still nothing on Thomas but I'll keep looking.
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