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Post by hilary on Mar 16, 2007 10:46:35 GMT
Hi everyone,
Does anyone know the precise location of Mineraa House, please? It seems at one time to have been the offices of Minera Berwig Quarry (apologies if I've got the name slightly wrong). My Williams ancestors lived for three census returns at Cae Mynydd, Pentre, then Nr Minera House, so I suspect it might have been the same property all the way through. I've found Pentre and Cae Mymydd on Old Maps Online, and the Berwig Quarry, but not Minera House.
John Williams was a coachman and gardener - I wonder by whom was he employed?
Best wishes Hilary
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 16, 2007 20:24:18 GMT
Travel from Minera towards New Brighton, drop down over the bridge & up the other side. Just before the last house on the right (Georgian style) there is a track also on the right that leads to Minera House, an impressive place that is facing the mountain. I believe Captain Ball of Minera Lead Mines lived there also.
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Post by annedw on Mar 16, 2007 21:19:48 GMT
Extract from ` Lost names and places ` by JC Davies. Minera Mines , Gravel & concrete company. The head office at Plas Gwyn was above the old stables with it`s gable end to Church Road. The office manager was Albert E Williams of Minera House, the lady clerk was Maggie Davies. In 1931 the wages were paid fortnightly to the staff of 14 , and amounted to £48 9s 4d. It doesn`t actually say where Minera House was, but it does mention your Williams.
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Post by hilary on Mar 16, 2007 22:27:50 GMT
Thank you both for your help - I never expected Minera House to be there still; next time I can make the trip across I'll go and have a look.
I haven't got Lost Names and Places - what does it say about John Williams, please? He married Selina Mottershead, although she may have already been married and widowed and have been called Selina Davies at this time.
Thanks again, Hilary
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Post by Hen Locsin on Mar 17, 2007 13:48:26 GMT
Hilary, Just to confirm what Llosgi says really, and to add that I remember Albert, as a small Dairy farmer with between six and a dozen cows at any one time. He owned or rented , I'm unsure which several fields in the village, the first on the l.h side as one descended the " Felin Hill" from Minera. The others were on the r/h side before turning for the Farm ( Minera House ) at the top of the Pentre Hill, and two more on the l/h side as one turned. I can recall hay making as a young boy, along with cousins who lived at Cae Mynydd, and the highlight was Mrs Williams' Ginger Beer ( Where's the recipe ) :(and sandwiches brought down in a basket for us. The hay-cart was usually a lorry belonging to Leedham & Williams of Wrexham and driven by Mr John Whalley of New Brighton. Happy Days Hen Locsin
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Post by hilary on Mar 17, 2007 21:49:45 GMT
I love the description of haymaking at Cae Mynydd - I used to get terrible hay fever so could never stay in the hay fields for long!
I wonder if there were two Williams families living at "Pentre", "Cae Mynydd" "Nr Minera House", though, as my ancestor is John Williams, not an Albert? I sometimes wish that they had a more unusual surname, it would be easier to trace them after 1901.
Hilary
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Post by hotwood on Mar 22, 2007 23:36:02 GMT
Hello Hilary
Do you have a list of first names of your Williams family.
I am researching my Williams Ancestors from the same area from 1861 to 1891 and then they moved to the Minera Village. I have just been in touch with a distant cousin from just reading messages on various sites of the area. Extra information has come out of our messages.
Regards
Hotwood
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Post by hilary on Mar 23, 2007 0:20:06 GMT
HI, They are not an "old" Minera family.
My grandmother was Edith Davies Williams, born c1880, living at Cae Mynydd in 1881
Siblings were/include Ernest, Agnes, and Bertha. They were all born in Minera except the oldest, Bertha, who was born 1879/80 in Cheshire, Brinnington.
Their parents were John Williams of Shrewsbury/Griswell(?) who was 41 in 1881, and Selina Mottershead of Prestbury, Cheshire, who was 26 in 1881. She might have married a Thomas Davies first, this needs to be looked into.
As you can probably guess, I am only just starting on this grandparent's lineage, the other three grandparents were easier so I researched them first!
Hilary
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Post by michaelball on Dec 21, 2008 20:21:37 GMT
An early relative of mine, Josiah Richards Ball, was the agent of the Minera Mine and lived in Minera House. I believe be died in 1908 and I believe his wife died after that. I would really like to get an exact date of Josiah's death, his burial, and even a possible picture of the grave marker (if it exists). I do have a picture of Josiah Richards Ball. Michael Ball mdball@sympatico.ca
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Post by eluned on Dec 21, 2008 22:08:23 GMT
Agnes Ball death registered Jun 1/4 1910, 77yrs, Wrexham Josiah Richards Ball death registered Mar 1/4 1908, 72yrs, Wrexham
You may need to send for a death certificate to obtain an exact date of death. Take a look at this site below , perhaps there is an image of the grave stone at Minera Parish Church. www.clwyd-mi.co.uk/
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Post by daveburtonwilliams on Jul 4, 2019 13:40:13 GMT
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Post by annedw on Jul 4, 2019 16:42:01 GMT
4.29 Minera House and Glasfryn sit to the west of Cae Mynydd, separated by a narrow track that provides public access to the former Lloyds Lead shaft, the stone ruins are just visible directly south of Minera House, and onto the former railway line that connected the extensive network of lead mines. The two properties are substantial sandstone buildings, enclosed behind stone walling with thingy and hen copings. Their scale and boundary detailing compliments that of Cae Mynydd and collectively they form an important group of buildings that define the southern boundary of the Conservation Area. The properties date from the mid to late 19th Century. The 1845 Tithe Map indicates that the site was previously occupied by outbuildings associated with Cae Mynydd and it is possible some of the remaining stone outbuildings pre-date the two dwellings. The principle frontage of Minera House is symmetrically planned around a central doorway and orientated westwards towards the former lead mines and Esclusham Mountain. Glasfryn faces towards the main road, it’s symmetrically planned frontage just visible behind the trees within the garden. Both properties have renewed windows within the original openings which has diminished their historic character.
I found this on a PDF file , Minera Conservation. Doesn't mention a nursing home. Meadows Lea was a nursing home in Penyfford.
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Post by daveburtonwilliams on Jul 4, 2019 17:47:44 GMT
Thanks for that. This John William Williams was buried at Wrexham Cemetery in what seems to have been a public grave. I was trying to think of a reason why the informant would have been from Minera House.
If it's MY John William Williams, he served in WW1 in the Army then RFC/RAF and was discharged in 1919 as unfit, sent to Maudsley hospital with "epilipsy". The sketchy RAF record is online, but the army record has not survived. It's unlikely that it could have been epilepsy as he served from 1915 to 1919, but he had served in the middle east, so could have had fits caused by malaria, or it may have been ptsd. Family legend says he kept turning up short of money. So probably he could no longer hold down a steady job - he was a joiner. I haven't been able to make a positive id on 1939 register. The death certificate quoted, along with the burial record, seems to be the best match for his death, especially if he died a pauper (if they still called them that in 1961).
I suppose that if he was a vagrant, he could have died on Minera House premises, and the occupier had to register his death. Maybe that's more likely than the care home idea. And could explain why I can't find him in 1939.
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Post by piercepierce on Aug 23, 2019 11:32:36 GMT
Michael, With reference to Josiah R Ball. He died on the 2.3.1908., and is buried in St. Mary's church yard, Church Road, Minera. The church is situated just past the Tyn-y-Capel Inn , on the right hand side of the road. There is a grave marker in the form of a cross, which gives his spouse as Agnes and at the time of his death he was resident in Minera House. Photographs and other information can be found on WWW.findagrave.com
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Post by piercepierce on Aug 23, 2019 11:58:35 GMT
Michael, He was born in 1836 at Tavistock, Devon, on the 10.8.1876 he married Agness Rowse at the British Vice-Consul's Office, Madrid, Spain.
In 1881 he is recorded as living with Agness in Minera and his occupation is given as Mining Engineer. 1891 his address is given as Minera House, and his occupation then is recorded as Lead Mining Agent, and in 1901 he is still at Minera House, with the job title of Manager of Lead Mines.
His Probate recorded at St. Asaph, 21.5.1908., records his occupation as Mining Engineer, and he left his effects of £3,002 12 Shillings and 5 pence to his widow Agness.
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