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Post by gwenkermode on May 28, 2007 21:52:49 GMT
could anyone help me with my family history, my grandfather Richard mainwaring Wynne, lived at 62 high street in coedpoeth. he was married to Catherine Helen Jones, but she died and he went on to marry Lizzie woodfield, he had three children in his first marriage and several more in his second. apparently he ran a painter and decorators shop from the house on the hight street but eventually moved in to either 60 or 64 while letting th house to the Jones who opened it as a veg shop. i would love to know if anyone has old photographs of the high street that might show my grandfathers house. or any information on the family at all, i do not know were he is buried or anything. i also believe that when he died he owned a number of properties in coedpoeth nine in total. would anyone know how to get information on any thing like this. i am new to this and any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks Gwen
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Post by annedw on Jun 12, 2007 14:55:42 GMT
If he was quite wealthy and had property, there is a chance he may have made a will, that could give some details. If you have his death date, thats a start.
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Post by gwenkermode on Jun 13, 2007 19:24:21 GMT
thank you for your reply annette, i am truly grateful,
the date he died was 6th april 1948, he was born on april 25 1867 in coedpoeth. his father was a george wynne and his mother a mary wynne formerly jones.
if you could give me any information on how to trace a possiable will i would be grateful.
my father's mother (richard mainwaring wynne daughter) died when he was only fourteen and information on his mothers side of the family is very little.
my bother recently visited coedpoeth and knocked on 62 high st, and amazingly the lady that lives there remembers my grandfather as her husband's family appraently either rented or bought the property from my grandfather and they themselves sold veg from the property.
i am really interested in finding out what he was like as a man and what part he played in the wider community, my father is under the impression that he was a lay preacher of sorts, and can remember him visiting them when my father was small in his car, which would have been a big thing at the time.
once again i am ever so grateful for your reply, any information is greatly recieved.
gwen
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Post by annedw on Jun 13, 2007 19:48:55 GMT
Gwen, I don`t know how much you really have about Richard. There is a lot on the census from when he aged was 4 up to 1901, but I m guessing you already have those. I found this site , lots of interesing stuff on it relating to Lizzie and Richard, even a photo, again , you might know about it aready, Are you from the marriage to Catherine or Lizzie?, www.streetsofhanwell.com/getperson.php?personID=I11&tree=1----------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a site explaining how to go about getting a will. I`ve copied a bit for you. There is a will index, in some archives but I`m not certain what years it covers. www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/1183.htmIn many cases you can save a lot of time and money by making the search yourself, but there is a postal service by which a search is made on your behalf for a period of four years. There is a fee of £5 for this, but this includes copies of the Will and/or grant if a record is found. It also gives you the benefit of the experience of Probate staff, for instance in knowing when to search and judging under which name the record is likely to be listed. If you want the Probate Registry to conduct a search for a period longer than the standard four years, there is an additional fee of £3 for each 4-year period after the first four. Thus, an 8-year search will cost £8, a 12-year search £11, and so on.If you want to make a postal search, contact: The Postal Searches and Copies Department The Probate Registry 1st Floor Castle Chambers Clifford Street York YO1 9RG Tel: +44 (1904) 666777
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Post by hilary on Jun 13, 2007 22:28:18 GMT
Annette - no connection with the thread, but I'd been wondering all day how I could track down the will of a great grandfather who died in 1929.....my letter to the Probate Registry will be in the post. Thanks! Hilary
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Post by sceptrelady on Jun 13, 2007 23:44:34 GMT
Thanks Annette, I'm sure that link is a great help - don't everybody write at once or we'll be waiting a year ;D
Heather
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Post by gwenkermode on Jun 14, 2007 0:06:50 GMT
hi, annette thank you ever so much for the information, i will be trying straight away tomorrow to further my research. i am from the catherine side of the family by the way.
thanks again for the help i will be writing as soon as possialble for any available will. thanks annette, take care gwen
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Post by gwenkermode on Jun 19, 2007 20:36:46 GMT
i would just like to mention the kindness of the people in my research, i had recently posted a message on another website with regards to richard mainwaring wynne in a attempt to find a book called, 'coedpoeth as it was'. i had forgotten about it until today when i recieved a phone called from a lovely man, who wrote the book himself, he has been every so helpful and is even going to copy the book for me. i do not know if my great grandfather is in the book but it will be interesting in itself as a way of realizing what it would have been like for my great-grandfather to live in coedpoeth at the time. the gentleman i spoke to today even knew of my great-grandfather, a friend of his had been an apprentice to my great grandfather. he remembered that he drove around in a motorbike and sidecar with his friend in the sidecar holding on to a ladder, going about their business, they must have looked at bit like wallace and gromit.
when i told my father what i had learnt today and it brought back a happy memory of my g-grandfather vising him in the motorbike and sidecar when he himself was a small boy.
all information is greatly recieved as it brings these people back to life, if only for the briefest of time. the helpfullness i have recieved from the people of coedpoeth is great, from annettes to this kind gentleman, it makes me feel apart of something that in my family has been missing for a long time, a link to our hertiage. hopefully with the information i am recieving through the website i will be a little bit more in touch with the family and its roots. thanks again, gwen kermode
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Post by shedevil on Jun 20, 2007 7:40:52 GMT
The gentleman you speak about is Robert Edwards a lovely man who has a wealth of knowledge and is also a local Historian for the area
He was one of my first points of contact when I started my research and gave me some valuable information to start my search with.
Im pleased to hear he is well and still active in his field of work, It would be lovely if he popped on here to give people his stories every now and again
Tracey
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Post by gwenkermode on Jun 21, 2007 20:47:15 GMT
as i said robert edwards is sending me a copy of the book when i recieve it hopefully he will leave an address of contact and i will definately inform him of the site and where to find it. maybe he'll enjoy joining in this forum i do hope so. gwen
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Post by gwenkermode on Jun 23, 2007 11:28:32 GMT
i have just recieved this morning my copy of 'coedpoeth as it was' which was kindly sent by robert edwards. i am still reading the information in the book but it is really interesting even the old advertisements tell a story. but the best surprise was a picture at the rear of the book of penygelli infants school in 1925, sitting on the front row is my fathers half uncle glyn vaughan wynne, who certainly shows a family likeness in his appearance.
for somebody who has never seen any member of the family it is fascinateing to look at somebody who is related and draw conclusions about who they look like.
i will certainly be sending my personal thanks to mr edwards for his time and effort in obtaining a copy of the book for me and i will mention this forum to him. gwen
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Post by shedevil on Jun 23, 2007 13:36:39 GMT
The book is extremely informative, I have had a copy for a good few years now myself, He has another book that Im aware of Called Coedpoeth Past which I also have a copy of. ;D
Im sure our Admin is in touch with Robert frequently and I believe that he would be aware of our website here. Maybe he does not have a computer in which to participate on the message boards but if he does join us he will we warmly welcomed
Tracey
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Post by gwenkermode on Jul 20, 2007 11:20:48 GMT
dear annette, following your information on how to search for a will, i have eventually recieved the actual will of Richard Mainwaring Wynne, and it makes a interesting read. he left all his property to his wife Lizzie Wynne (nee woodfield) until her death were upon it would be held in trust till his sons and daughters reached the age of twenty one or if married they could recieve it earlier. the nice thing was that he did not excluded the women of the family from a equal share which was possiable not the common thing at the time. he seems to have been a very fair man who cared for his family deeply and that is nice to know seeing as he's my great grandfather. gwen
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Post by annedw on Jul 20, 2007 12:49:39 GMT
Glad you found a will, they do give a lot of detail sometimes. The old ones are the best, when they left six good sheep and a bucket to the eldest son ;D I`ve been looking at the Adwy ( Bethlehem) church minutes book and in 1913 tenders were invited for painting the inside of the church. Five people were asked, three replied and a ballot was held to choose the one the committee approved of. Of 11 votes , 8 were for R M Wynne. He quoted a cost of £3.5.0. So -- it was your ancestor that painted the inside of Bethlehem Chapel, not quite on the scale of the Sistine Chapel, but something nice to know about.
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Post by gwenkermode on Jul 20, 2007 20:08:40 GMT
annette, thanks for that bit of information, it's really interesting to hear these things. my father knew that his grandfather was involved with the church and had a vague memory of him gold leafing some of the church interiors according to his mother. the nice thing is your information now confirms family stories for us, we are extremely grateful for any information. thanks again, gwen
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Post by gwenkermode on Jul 21, 2007 16:30:23 GMT
i am leaving this list just in case anybody recognises any of the names they are all the children of Richard Mainwaring Wynne. if anyone knows of any of them i would be grateful for information.
from his first marriage gwendoline may wynne (my grand mother) richard lemuel wynne ida clorindo wynne
from his second marriage 1. Sidney George WYNNE, b. 1907 2. Bronwen Megan WYNNE, b. 26 Jan 1910 3. Lawrence WYNNE, b. 1912 4. Edith Adeline WYNNE, b. 15 Jun 1914 5. Living 6. Walton Woodfield WYNNE, b. 6 Feb 1918, Coedpoeth, Wales 7. Genesta Myra WYNNE, b. 11 Feb 1920 8. Leonard WYNNE, b. 1923 9. Glyn Vaughan WYNNE, b. 8 Feb 1922 10. Trevor Owen WYNNE, b. 18 Apr 1926 11. Living
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Post by gwenkermode on Feb 23, 2008 11:05:08 GMT
does anybody know of any old photo's of the high street, i am particularly interested in getting a photo of my great grandfathers shop. i unfortunately do not know what the shop was called only that it was a paint shop and it was at 62 the high street.
would old newspapers of the time (late 1880's to early 1920) be of any use do you think? and if so how would i locate them.
grateful for any help
gwen
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Post by eluned on Feb 23, 2008 17:51:24 GMT
Hi, Postcards can be useful as they show scenes etc. You can find these at Antique markets, postcard fairs, e.bay. Local history books are useful too, local libraries and archives will have a collection of them and may also have some photo available. Francis Firths website has a collection for various areas and does have some of Coedpoeth. See link from the websites section. Unsure about local newspapers though cos unless you know where to look, you may be looking for quite a long time.
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Post by sooty on Apr 2, 2008 16:52:11 GMT
Hi Gwen - I've been reading your notes regarding Richard Mainwaring Wynne - I have been looking into my family tree and this R M Wynne is included - I only had details of his first wife and 3 children. His father George Wynn's younger sister Elizabeth was my Great,great grandmother on my mother's side. It might be that you have this information already but if you would like to contact me I would like to compare notes
Anne
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Post by tominera on Jun 18, 2008 18:43:02 GMT
You will find the graves in Coedpoeth Cemetery Plot 276 Laurence M Wynne d.9/5/1924 aged 10 yrs--Leonard Wynne d.8/2/1924 aged 2 months--Sydney George Wynne d. 6/11/1930 aged 23 years Walton W Wynne(husband of Eileen Annie) d.19/8/1982 aged 64 years Plot 53 Richard Mainwaring Wynne d.6/4/1948 bur.9/4/1948 aged79 years--Catherine Helen d.8/7/1902 bur.11/7/1902--Lizzie Wynne(second wife) d.26/6/1957 bur. 1/7/1957 aged 70 years--Richard M Wynne d. 8/7/ ?---grandson Roger C Wynne Holmes(a twin) d. 1/12/1949 aged 2 years and 6 months hope this helps as it is my first attempt to use message board Tom
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Post by hilary on Jun 19, 2008 14:44:22 GMT
Nice to "meet" you Tom! Look forward to some interesting emails! Hilary
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Post by tominera on Dec 10, 2008 21:38:32 GMT
Hi, Has anyone any idea how I can contact gwenkermode or sooty re Richard Mainwaring Wynne as I now have a Richard M Wynne son of George & Mary on the very edge of my F/T and would appreciate some details the easy way---I have tried PM to both of them without a reply. Thanks Tom
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Post by eluned on Dec 10, 2008 22:48:10 GMT
Hi Tom, My only suggestion is to wait until they next come on the site. It looks like they were both on in Oct so hopefully it wont be too long until they are back. Sorry I can't be of any more help.
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Post by gwenkermode on Dec 17, 2008 22:06:57 GMT
Just a quick note to let everyone know, I have replied to Tom now and hopefully he will be intouch soon.
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Post by tominera on Dec 18, 2008 21:22:35 GMT
HI, I have an Richard M Wynne on the outer fringes of my tree and if it is your Richard Mainwaring Wynne I would appreciate some easy to copy info from you. His father was George and he was married 3 times that I know of--Emma Lloyd(in Wrexham) Mary Jones(Kent) and Sarah Anne ?.(in Wrexham) George was an iron moulder most of his life and I have all the relevant census details etc. I am hoping that if it is the same family you may have some exact dates from certs etc. Got your message thanks and this may help others in the future Tom
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Post by gwenkermode on Jan 3, 2009 23:11:09 GMT
This web site may be of use to anyone researching the Wynne family from Coedpeoth www.streetsofhanwell.com, there is some good information on Richard and George Wynne on the site. Hope its of some use to you.
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Post by tominera on Jan 4, 2009 13:31:36 GMT
That is brilliant-- I have already spotted some errors in my info. which I will correct as soon as I have posted this. Thanks a lot Gwen the certs and pics are great and I appreciate your help Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 4, 2009 13:54:49 GMT
Hi Annette, I have just reread this thread and noticed you gave this web address in reply 3 July 2007 when I was not around and not interested in The Wynne family, but I have now used it and found it useful in more ways than one. I now realise thanks must go to you also so thanks again Tom
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Post by lesleyanne on Feb 3, 2013 19:14:02 GMT
I've just stumbled on this site and have read your posts of 5/6 years ago asking about Richard Wynne. He is my grandfather! I never knew him as I wasn't born until 1963. My father is Frank Hubert Wynne his youngest and only surviving child from his second marriage (born 1927) and mentioned in his will. I would love to be in contact with you so I hope you see this post.
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Post by lesleyanne on Feb 3, 2013 19:55:17 GMT
Forgot to say this is for Gwen or anyone else who is interested in Richard Wynne and his family. Hi Gwen..
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