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Post by shedevil on Jan 7, 2006 20:59:16 GMT
My Nan lived in coedpoeth up to being about 8 years old when they moved to Yorkshire around 1920 with the mining industry. It was her grandparents who owned the Five Crosses Public house The landlord (publican) was Owen Owens Who was also a Master Blacksmith and Collier as his father Thomas Owens Before Him, The Owens family moved to Minera from Llandegla in the 1850's as my Grandfather was born at the White lion public house in Llan (i believe this no longer exists). From information I have gathered i believe that the Five Crosses was passed down to Thomas's youngest son Stanley Owens who sadly passed away in the 1940's I believe that he started one of the first haulage companies in the village and became quite a prominent member of the community. The only sibling i know of is Percy Owens but i have no connections with any of the family since my Nan died in 1999 and she was my last link with any family connections but would love to hear from anyone who could tell me more
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Post by llosgi calch on Jan 8, 2006 13:52:45 GMT
I am sure this thread can gather some replies... If anyone can add info on the Owen's of the Five Crosses, then please do. I'll certainly be starting a few investigations of my own. The Owen's family picture has been uploaded onto the 'Minera Ancestry Pics page'. For a view click the following link... minerahistory.com/family.html
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Post by shedevil on Jan 8, 2006 22:40:51 GMT
Just to add more interest here is a list of My ancestors relating to the oldest generation of relative i can find so far : Kinship of Thomas Owens Alsop, John George Husband of the Great-granddaughter Alsop, Michael Thomas 2nd great-grandson Alsop, Tracey Llian 3rd great-granddaughter Bailey, Annette Lorraine Wife of the 2nd great-grandson Bellis, Edward Son-in-law Bellis, Ellen Granddaughter Bellis, Hannah Granddaughter Burridge, Francis Henry Husband of the great-granddaughter Eleanor Grandmother of the wife Evans, Edward Son-in-law Evans, Miriam Granddaughter Hodgkiss, Patricia Wife of the 2nd great-grandson Hulmes, Mary Alice Wife of the grandson Jane Daughter-in-law John Father Johnson, Andrew Scott Husband of the 3rd great-granddaughter Lloyd, Cyril Great-grandson Lloyd, Dorothy Great-granddaughter Lloyd, Edwina Great-granddaughter Lloyd, Gwyneth Great-granddaughter Lloyd, Marie Great-granddaughter Lloyd, Megan Great-granddaughter Lloyd, Olwen Wife of the great-grandson Lloyd, Thomas Jones Husband of the granddaughter O'Donnell, Robert Husband of the 3rd great-granddaughter Owens, Agnes Granddaughter Owens, Daniel Grandson Owens, David Grandson Owens, Edward W Grandson Owens, Eleanor Daughter Owens, Elizabeth Daughter Owens, Ernest Grandson Owens, Harold Great-grandson Owens, Jane Sister Owens, Jane Daughter Owens, Jane Elizabeth Granddaughter Owens, Jean Lloyd 2nd great-granddaughter Owens, John Owen Grandson Owens, Margaret Granddaughter Owens, Miriam Granddaughter Owens, Myfanwy Granddaughter Owens, Owen Son Owens, Percy Great-grandson Owens, Robert Brother Owens, Robert Grandson Owens, Robert Grandson Owens, Stanley Grandson Owens, Thomas Self Owens, Thomas Grandson Owens, Thomas Grandson Owens, William Son Owens, Winefred Daughter Rogers, Elizabeth Granddaughter Rogers, Enoch Son-in-law Thomas 2nd great-grandson Williams, Elizabeth Daughter-in-law Williams, Miriam Wife Williams, Thomas Grandfather of the wife Williams, Thomas Owen Grandson Williams, William Son-in-law Williams, William Father-in-law Wraith, Sidney Husband of the great-granddaughter
as you can see there are ony a few would love to hear from anyone that recognises any of these names
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Post by llosgi calch on Feb 25, 2006 11:23:14 GMT
Reading JC Davies, Lost Names & Places...
It states that in the 1871 census that of the row of 17 stone houses at Five Crosses, three were under the name of Robert Owens, beer seller... ...On 28 August 1911, when Rosamond France-Hayhurst sold her estate in Minera & Coedpoeth, Lot 11 was noted as 'A valuable free beerhouse known as the Five Crosses together with 13 adjoining cottages. The beerhouse was rebuilt a few years ago at a very reasonable cost and is let to Mr Owen Owens at £25 per year and the cottages let at 7 shillings a month each...' The row of cottages which is now the carpark were demolished in 1968.
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Post by annedw on Mar 3, 2006 13:50:08 GMT
I have John Owen Owens died 1958 aged 78 married Ada Jane Wilcoxon, they lived at Fernleigh, Llewellyn Rd, Coedpoeth, and had a son Alwyn.
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Post by shedevil on Mar 3, 2006 16:36:14 GMT
Annette want to know something ?? your John Owen Owens and my John Owen Owens are one and the same person ;D John Owen Owens b. 31/12/1879 at The Five Crosses, Minera. if he died in 1958 then he would have been 78 years old there is a family picture of the owens on this website but im not sure which one he is.
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Post by annedw on Mar 3, 2006 18:30:25 GMT
Well, fancy that, Uncle `Jack` as I remember him always wore a watch chain and a waistcoat, so I would guess he is the boy in the front with a watch chain !!!!. WITH MORE DETAILS ON THE OWENS PHOTO I NOW KNOW THAT THIS WAS TAKEN LATER THAN I THOUGHT AND JACK IS ACTUALLY ON THE BACK ROW, I remember when they lived on Llewellyn Road, there was a very long garden at the back of the house, he grew all his own veg, and my Mum always came home with a bagfull. He always used to be found on the Bowling Green when not at home. I was only 12 when he died, but always though of him as a favourite uncle, he used to play trick with pennies and cards. His sister in law Annie Ellis also lived there, she was a very scary stern lady, with a white bun and always wore black. I found later that she had been a Matron at the Hospital in Penrhyndeudraeth. Aunty Ada, Jacks wife was a complete opposite, quite chubby, also with a bun, and a floral wrapover `pinny`. Once she let her hair down, and it came down to her waist. They were the last of the relatiions I had in Coedpoeth, except for Alwyn and Ada`s brother Harold who lived in Southsea. I have a photo of Jack and Ada`s grave at Coedpoeth, it is next to her father.
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Post by shedevil on Mar 3, 2006 18:40:30 GMT
I think this is great, Unforunately i never knew him he would have been my 2nd Great Uncle I think. My dad may have known him as my nan used to visit Coedpoeth regularily to see her Aunty Dora (Deborah Davies Nee Lloyd)I think she lived in Broughton somewhere they probably would have known more but sad to say all my parents and grandparents are no longer with us. My Great Grandmother Maggie was Johns sister.
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Post by adwylad on Jul 13, 2006 0:59:14 GMT
I worked with a few of the Owens boys at Minera Quarry back in the seventees and early eighties The family was still in the Haulage business at the time I bought a house from the youngest boy Glyn in Tanyfron he moved to Coedpoeth. Another son Mickey was still living in Minera.
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Post by llosgi calch on Jul 13, 2006 12:14:07 GMT
I worked with a few of the Owens boys at Minera Quarry back in the seventees and early eighties The family was still in the Haulage business at the time I bought a house from the youngest boy Glyn in Tanyfron he moved to Coedpoeth. Another son Mickey was still living in Minera. Whilst the name Owens & haulage would appear to be a connection, I can confirm the Owens family of the Five Crosses are not related to the present day haulage business.
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Post by shedevil on Jul 13, 2006 19:05:49 GMT
I worked with a few of the Owens boys at Minera Quarry back in the seventees and early eighties The family was still in the Haulage business at the time I bought a house from the youngest boy Glyn in Tanyfron he moved to Coedpoeth. Another son Mickey was still living in Minera. Whilst the name Owens & haulage would appear to be a connection, I can confirm the Owens family of the Five Crosses are not related to the present day haulage business. Im not too sure about either of these comments because for one I'm sure llosgi calch knows his stuff but I do remember my Dad telling me something about this side of the family owning a haulage company at one time and I may be correct in saying that it was connected to Stanley Owens the son of Owen Owens who ran the Five Crosses. Unfortunately there is nobody left to ask but Glyn is a family Name I have a cousin who is decended from the Owens side who's name is also Glyn. coincidence ?? maybe I really should get in touch with my aunt who would know this but she's still a bit scary even though im now 40!!! (sorry aunty Ann if you ever get to read this forum ) ha ha ha
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Post by llosgi calch on Jul 14, 2006 0:11:33 GMT
If I may, the present day Ivor Owens & Sons haulage company are no relation whatsoever to the Stanley Owens Haulage (of Five Crosses). This information is totally correct, as reaffirmed by the latter Owens family.
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Post by shedevil on Oct 15, 2006 9:16:01 GMT
Well guys I took a trip into Minera last Saturday trudging round the graveyards in search of my Owens lot, Couldn't find Owen Owens but I did come across a Robert Owens who I think was Owens son Still have to cross check the details. A lot of the graves there are unmarked probably because the Headstones may possibly have been vandalised or damaged therefore possibly removed for safety reasons. There are quite a lot of stones that are so badly weathered they have now become illegible. Further into my trip we went over to Llandegla much to the disgust of my husband who had sneakily nipped into the Tyn Y capel for a Pint and a hot sandwich (to which he said the pint was lovely and cold and was excellent not a bad comment coming from a yank!!! no disrespect to Americans there as he is one and i just like to moan about him wives prerogative you know) At St Tecla's Churchyard in Llandegla I came across the Graves of my 3rd Great Grandparents, Thomas and Miriam Owens, I'm still a little confused as to why they were buried there seeing as they had been living in Minera for quite some time before their deaths. If any of you have any relatives buried there all i can say is what a beautiful churchyard, as far as ogling at gravestones go. The good weather probably did make it seem less intimidating and compared to St Mary's it was not as eerie. I'm now trying to obtain information as to why they were interned there and not in Minera, possibility is that Thomas bought the plots whilst he was living there as a Master Blacksmith before moving to Minera, I have found some items of interest on the Sir Denbigh website that may hold some information once I have sent for them I will be in a position to do a write up on my elusive lot. We then went on to Llanelidan churchyard and came across the grave of Owen Owens who was Thomas's brother and ran the Smithy at Rhewl after his father Owen Owens had died. Could not locate his fathers grave and wanted to go onto Llandderfel but hubby by this time was getting a little hungry, grumpy and impatient chasing round after dead people as he puts it. If anyone lives in the vicinity of Llandderfel and comes across my Owens family graves or any other information it would be appreciated if you could pass anything at all onto me Bye for now Tracey
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Post by llosgi calch on Dec 27, 2006 9:50:41 GMT
The Owens story has been received from Tracey, and it is a very interesting read.
Not to be confused with the 'present day' Owens haulage family who are not related.
Look out for the 'Owens Story' on the Minera section when the pages are updated in the new year. Stanley Owens obituary may be of particular interest to many of our members.
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Post by llosgi calch on Jan 16, 2007 19:57:14 GMT
I have transcribed some information from Tracey regarding the Owens of Five Crosses, and it can be found on the 'People' page on the Minera section. Likewise, with Annettes family story I have had to be selective in part and have just included the most relevant to the immediate area. However I would like to include the part concerning the family at the Crown, Talwrn, in the Coedpoeth section.
I have been unable to copy images from 2007 document. If Tracey could send in images with an email of Stanley Owens, and a copy of his obituary, I would very much like to include them with the article.
Admin.
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Post by shedevil on Jan 16, 2007 21:31:44 GMT
On the way.......... Thank you for doing this I am going to have a look now, hope that you find many interested parties, I also know that the landlady of the Five crosses was interested in its history and may be an idea to pass on some of the information and photographs to her
Tracey
For anyone who would like the full story please send me a private message and I will email this to you, I am hoping to post this on my own website in the near future
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Post by Hen Locsin on Jan 26, 2007 17:10:41 GMT
Hello Shedevil, Regrettably I cannot recall any of the Owens family, except Stan Owens, who was a great deal older than I; except I think that it was he that started the Haulage Company. The crashed aircraft was exhibited where Jordans is currently and was previously a filling station. One or two hand pumps I recall. Hen Locsin
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Post by shedevil on Jun 17, 2007 22:28:01 GMT
This Webearth photo thingy is quite helpful as you pan around the area My Nan was born at 8 Coronation cottages Southsea, I have mentioned before that she had 2 sisters that died in infancy named Gwyneth and Edwina Lloyd. to date i cannot locate their place of burial and have come across a churchyard near to where the family home was The name of the church is All Saints, Southsea, I wonder whether i will find my missing Lloyds there. I have looked on Geniuk and the records availabel fro the church seem very sparse.
Is anybody aware whether there are any other records available for this churchyard outside of the Clwyd FHS
Tracey
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Post by hilary on Jun 17, 2007 23:24:23 GMT
I remember All Saints, Southsea - I used to go to the youth club in what was, then, the Church House opposite - that is now the Church, I believe. The Church Yard is still in use.
After youth club I used to walk up to the Smelt in Coedpoeth with my Coedpoeth friends, we'd have a bag 0' chips from the chippy and I'd get the last bus home or walk the rest of the way. Wouldn't do it these days!! Hilary
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Post by annedw on Jun 18, 2007 11:54:59 GMT
The burial register for Southsea is available to be searched. If I remember rightly I was charged £10 , and the money went to the upkeep of the graveyard. I was told the location and number of the grave , but couldn`t find it. When I asked , they told me it had no headstone !!!!!!!!!!. AN Palmer has microfims. Bap 1914/1961 Marr 1922/1983 Bur 1947/1973
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Post by susanjane on Aug 21, 2009 14:47:43 GMT
It seems possible that Jane Elizabeth Owens born 1882 is linked to my Roberts family.In 1905 I believe that she married John Henry Roberts the 5th son of William and Harriet [Jones].I haven't discovered what family they had yet.
He was killed in WW1 in 1915 when he was 32 and Company Sergeant Major of 4th Battalion Royal Welsh Fuseliers.His widow lived at 3,Gwem Howell,Coedpoeth.[as on CWGC site]
I would love to link up with any family that they had.Can anyone tell me if I am right?
I made these guesstemets after reading this topic and also the Owens family history on minera history. I was about to add it to my topic of William Roberts and Harriet Jones. Sue
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Post by eluned on Aug 21, 2009 15:30:41 GMT
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Post by gilbert on Jul 21, 2012 22:01:11 GMT
I have just found this blog after my wife started investigating our ancestory. Owen Owens b.1849 and Elizabeth Owens b.1853 were my great, great Grand parents. They had thirteen children.
David, Thomas, Miriam, Edward, Jane, Agnes, Daniel, John, Margaret, Maggie, Myfanwy, Earnest and Stanley.
David married Mary Alice Hulm and they had 9 children.
John, Margaret, Maggie, Bessie, Agnes, Thomas, Daniel, James and Ursula.
Bessie (my Grandmother on my mums side married James John Stanley (my grandfather).
They had one child,
Joan Stanley who married Kenneth Gilbert these are my parents.
I dont if this of any interest but thought I would contribute to the blog.
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Post by annedw on Jul 23, 2012 7:32:35 GMT
Hello, it`s nice to hear from another descendant of the family
OWENS David / HULMES Mary A . Married at Minera, St Mary, 1900.
Seems like Bessie was born 1902.
James J Stanley married Bessie Owens . West Derby 1924
And it looks like your parents Joan Stanley and Kenneth Gilbert married 1953 Manchester district.
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Post by carolinea on Nov 10, 2018 14:27:52 GMT
We are retracing our relatives in Minera and Coedpoeth and interested to learn more about Jane Elizabeth Roberts nee Owens (daughter of Owen Owens and publican of the Five Crosses). We are in the village for the commemoration of the centenary of the First World War. Jane Elizabeth’s first husband, John Henry Roberts was killer in action 18th July 1915. We’d appreciate any further information or connection.
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Post by RhosRobin on Feb 26, 2022 7:52:56 GMT
Owen Owens (Owen-y-go) of the Five Crosses PH is my Great Great Grandfather. My Mother was Joyce Owens (married to Maurice Reeves), my Grandfather was Iowerth Owens, and my Great Grandfather being Edward Owens.
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