In an old family bible in SanRafael, California belonging to my great-grandmother. Who was very proud of her Welsh ancestry and spoke it. I found a family tree. My great grandmother was born in Wrexham in 1870 and under Wrexham was noted Coedpoeth. Her name: Grace Williams her mother was Elizabeth Andrews - her father was Robert Williams m.Grace Pascoe m.Sarah Goodwin f. William Andrews f. John Williams
Grace Pascoe m. L. Thomas f. Richard Wren
My greatgrandmother, Grace Williams married Richard Henry Rosewarn Harris (I don't know when or where.) , their first child was born in Michigan USA in 1887; next born in Canada BC in 1888, the next five children born in Utah,USA and the next four children were born in California; where they all settled in Northern California. They were 11 children. My great grandgrandfather, I think, was born in Torkay, England, m. Mary Roswarn/ f. R.N. Locket and he was adopted by the Harris family I believe. They were a wonderful family -I know the end and would love to know the beginning. Many thanks, Kathleen
FreeBMD has an Elizabeth Andrews & Robert Williams married in the Sept Qrtr 1858 registration district was Gt Boughton, vol 8a, page 475 is you want to order the certificate.
Robert Williams was born aprox 1829 in Mold Flintshire Elizabeth Andrews was born approx 1832 in Marazion Cornwall
Robert was a Lead Miner in 1861 & 1871
In 1861 Robert age32 & Elizabeth age 29 were living in Gwernafield Flintshire. with three children Elizabeth age 7 John age 5 Sarah age 2
In 1871 The family were living in Llanengan Caernarvonshire with John age 15 and Grace age 1 - transcribed as being born in Bursom Denbighshire - probably Bersham.
In 1881 the family are back living in Gwernafield Flintshire Robert age 52 lists his occupation as farmer Elizabeth age 49 Grace Williams is 11 - born Minera and an Elizabeth Hughes age 26 -listed as a son? her occupation is servant of all work domestic. Possibly she is the daughter from 1861.
In 1851 Robert Williams age 22 leadminer, born Denbighshire Llanverres(!), was living in Hendrebiffa, Gwernafield Flintshire. He was married to an Elizabeth age 21 born Mold Flintshire. More than likely the mother of the older children listed on the 1861 census
Next door at Bryn Glas were his parents John Williams age 48, farmer of 20 acres, born Cilcen Flintshire and Sara Williams age 45, born Mold Flintshire, along with a daugher Elizabeth Williams age 18.
Bryn Glas is the same farm where the family are listed in 1881.
Thank you for your quick and thorough responses, Heather. I am new at this what is the BMD, IGI how do I reach them for the above mentioned information? Thanks again Kathleen in California (also the marriage in Michigan how do I find that certificate? Sorry, if I am asking too much.
Well done Heather, not much left for the rest of us IGI I did find Richard Henry Rosewarne , birth 12 Sept 1871. Christenened 11 May 1872, Paul , Cornwall. Parents, Richard Henry Rosewarne, Mary Jane. In 1881 it looks like this family are living in St Paul, Higher Sheffield, Penzance. Is he a bit young to be the one married in 1886 though. BUT Grace Williams also looks to have only been about 17 when she had her first child. Trouble is there are SOOOOOOO many Richard Rosewarne`s and a few of Richard Henry Rosewarns about . Baptisms . Richard Henry Rosewarne 1839 Jul-Aug-Sep Redruth Cornwall
Richard Henry Rosewarne 1845 Oct-Nov-Dec Penzance Cornwall
Richard Henry Rosewarne 1846 Jul-Aug-Sep Redruth Cornwall
Richard Henry Rosewarne 1871 Jul-Aug-Sep Penzance Cornwall
Richard Henry Rosewarne 1906 Oct-Nov-Dec Penzance Cornwall
Richard Henry Rosewarne 1909 Apr-May-Jun Redruth Cornwall
If RHR `s father was RN Locket and mother Mary Rosewarne then he could be have been illegitimate, and for that reason adopted by the Harris family Kathleen, this is a link for Family Search, it covers lots of areas.You`ll find the IGI and lots more on this. www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp BMD, is the UK birth ,marriages and deaths search index, it starts at 1837. It`s not 100% complete, but a great site to help you start. www.freebmd.org.uk/
The Rosewarne family are in Cornwall as far back as 1566 .
Many thanks Mike. Richard Henry Rosewarn, was listed by my great aunt, born January 1862 in Cornwall and yes my thought as to why he was adopted and listed under Mother's maiden name. Born out of wedlock. (it was not a secret in our family). Kathleen
Sorry Annette, great to have a hero. Thanks for look up. Just checked Richard Henry Harris death cert in Marin County, San Rafael, Ca, DOB. Jan 1, 1862 Birth place Cornwall, England - he had Mary Koast as mother and John Harris as father in Cornwall. Rosewarn was a whisper but written in family bible. He died Jan 17, 1942 (maybe info. on adoptive parents will help find birth parents).
Hey I think I`ve got him. ;D ;D ;D 1871 census Camborne Cornwall living in Higher Vyryan Row. John Harris 43 blacksmith b Camborne Mary A Harris wife 41 b Camborne Richard H Harris ADOPTED SON 8 b Camborne.
AND here`s the marriage. Marriages Jun 1852 Harris John Redruth 5c 377 KEAST Mary Anne Redruth 5c 377
I`m not sure if this is Mary Ann in 1851 but might be, it`s the closest. Living at High Downs Cambourne. Richard Keast 42 miner b Gerrans Cornwall Selina Mary wife 41 b Merthyr Cornwall Mary Ann dau 19 mine girl b Merthyr Cornwall Thomas Keast 16 Caroline Keast 14 George Henry Keast 12 Richard Keast 8 Eliza Ellen Keast 5
All the children except Richard and Ellen work in the mine.
Its really hard to pinpoint John in 1851 , there are dozens of them. Also hard going to find them in 1861. I`m not too familier with place names in Cornwall.
Hi Annette, Re: Richard Henry Rosewarn/Harris: I think you have found him, how impossible is that? I suppose he used his other name at times in USA, for getting married but they always, as far as I know, the Harris Family.mmm
One more mystery. Elizabeth Morgan, born to William Andrews and Grace Pascoe on December 22, 1831. Married to William Morgan (She died in San Rafael, California, USA; April 27, 1926.) Elizabeth was 95 when she died she is buried next to my great grandmother and my great grandmother signed the Death Cert. Elizabeth came to California in 1881 a few years before my great grandmother. Many many thanks,,,,this is addictive I need sleep!
I881 Census. Living at 19 Vyvyans Row, Camborne. John Harris 48 Blacksmith b Camborne Mary A wife 47 b Tressilian Richard H son unm 17 Blacksmith b Redruth
Ages are slightly different , but as John is a blacksmith and living in the same place, it must be the same family.
1891 Still at Vyvyans Row, Camborne. John Harris 55 Blacksmith Mary A 57. No Richard Henry at home, so he must have gone to USA without his adoptive parents. I can`t find him in England so we must have the right one.
1901 living at 159 Albert St, Millom, Cumberland. John Harris 67 Blacksmith b Redruth Corwall Mary Ann Harris 64 b St Agnes Esther Ann Harris 41 . marr. boarder 41 b Bregue Cornwall Frederick Bickin .boarder 16 b Menico Pachard. ( No idea what this place is supposed to be )
John probably moved because Millom was made famous by the discovery of iron ore The 1841 census gave the population as 356. In 1855, Millom had a population of over 10,000! The iron, shipping and rail industries in the area employed most of the residents at one time, licence Iron ore was found in 1856. By 1864, the mines had produced one million ton of ore, and by 1874 a new mine had been in operation. With being a Blacksmith he probably found it easy to find work for a skilled man.
I`ll send you an email later, look for subject Cornwall .
Still looking for information regarding Elizabeth Morgan, Father was William Andrews and Mother was Grace Pascoe. Elizabeth was born December 22, 1831. Married to William Morgan. She died in San Rafael, California, USA; April 27, 1926. Elizabeth was 95 when she died, quite old for that time. She is buried next to my great grandmother and my great grandfather and her death cert is signed by my great grandmother; Grace Williams Harris. Elizabeth came to California in 1881 a few years before my greatgrandmother and greatgrandfather. It looks as if she were the great aunt to my greatgrandmother Grace Williams Harris.
Andrew family The brothers Richard and Henry are a link.
I found this a couple of days ago, but wasn`t sure , but Philip aged 1 matches the one with William in 1861 aged 11. and his mother is Grace, also in 1861 living with Grace is Jane born Scotland - but between census years. 1851 Scotland census Living in Gorbals , Newton Stewart, Penninghame, Wigtownshire.
William Andrew 45 leadminer b England. Grace Andrew wife 39 b England William Andrew son 16 “ “ John Andrew son 15 “ “ Mary Andrew dau 12 “ “ Eliza Andrew dau 8 “ “ Margaret Andrew dau 4 “ “ Philip Andrew 1 son “ “ William Odgers visitor 24 leadminer “” Richard Pascoe 22 visitor 22 leadminer. So is Richard Pascoe related to Grace, Odgers is a typical Cornish surname, also the fact that they were leadminers makes me think that they might be your family. If Philip was born England c 1850 then they had only moved just before 1851. I can`t find another family with those names in 1851.
1861 Picton Terrace Carmarthen. Grace Andrews married 48 miners wife b Gwinear Jane Andrews dau 8 b Scotland Richard Andrews son 6 b Marazion Henry Andrews son 6 ditto
1861 Living next door in Picton Terrace is Wiliam Andrews age 26 leadminer b Marazion Anna Andrews wife 24 b Camarthen Henry son 2 c Camarthen Mary dau 7 mths b Camarthen. This could be William and Grace`s son aged 16 in the Scottish census.
If Jane was born Scotland c 1853 and William married Anna about 1857/8 then the family didn`t stay in Scotland for long, maybe about 1850/57
1861 Bwychwrgin ? Treleach Bettws Camarthenshire Is this Grace`s husband William Andrew, marr lodger 54 leadminer b Marizion Philip Andrew son 11 ditto John Andrew lodger 25 ditto ( no relationship given) These are living with Sem Davies and his family , also leadminers. Why are they not living together.
1871 Williams Row. Coedpoeth William Andrew 64 leadminer b Marizion Cornwall Grace Andrew 60 c Gwinnear Richard Andrew son 16 leadwasher b Marizion Henry Andrew son 16 ditto
Where is Elizabeth all this time before she married Robert Williams, maybe she stayed in Cornwal, she would have been about 19 in 1851.
This is the closest WA I can find, two other servants are younger , and the rest are with parents.
1851 Living at Castle St Michaels mount , district of Marazion Thomasine Sim female widow head 64 housekeeper to proprieter Elizabeth Andrew umn 21servant to housekeeper b Peranuth Cornwall Mary Dusting widow 39 charwoman b St Michaels.
NOW, this is the only one for 1841 with a William and Grace and a daughter Elizabeth. Living at Boswarton ?? Madron, all born in Cornwall Willm Andrew 40 tin miner Grace Andrew 40 Grace Andrew 17 William Andrew 14 Elizabeth Andrew 12 Mary Andrew 10 John Andrew 8 Richard Andrew 5 Henry Andrew 2 James Andrew 2 Mo
I`m not convinced about this, because the ages are not a good match for 1851 Scotland, so maybe we should not count this one as yet.
I had a reply from Cornwall Registrars and they have no record of Richard Henry Rosewarne / Locket birth 1858/62. So what next , I`ve searched these two excellent sites and come up with nothing and BMD have nothing that could even possibly be him, www.cornwall-opc-database.org/ www.cornwalleng.com/
Also more bad news, I had this response from a Cornwall expert on another site. I fear this may be difficult. The registration of births was not compulsory at this time so Richard may not have been registered. If he was and his parents were not married, I would expect the birth would have been registered under his mothers name. Rosewarne is certainly a Cornish name. Locket I would not have thought so, although there certainly were some births around Redruth at this time, and in 1861 quite a few (more Lockett with the tt) around Perranzabuloe and Redruth. Being "adopted" - Richard may not have been his birth name and as there was no official adoption at this time it will be hard to trace. 1871 Richard adopted son is 8, born Camborne, 1881 Richard Son is 17, born Redruth, given children's ages are usually more correct than adult ages, birth appears to be more like 1862-1864. I wonder if Richard Henry was registered as Harris at birth. or maybe he was born later than 1862.
More info - Unfortunately registration was not compulsory until 1875. During this time an illegitimate child could not legally be registered in the father's name so one would expect if he was registered it would be under Rosewarne, even if a different Christian Name or just "male".
John and Mary Ann married 6th June 1852, Johns father was Thomas Harris, Mary Ann`s father was Richard Keast.
In 1861 Vyvyan Row Camborne.Transcribed as ( Harres) John Harris 31 Blacksmith b Camborne. Mary Ann Harris wife 29 b Merther. Nanny Keist marr boarder 27 Washer woman. b St Keverne
This looks like John in 1851 All born Camborne Vyvyan Street Cambourne Thomas Harris 55 Blacksmith Mary Ann Harris 53 John Harris 21 Blacksmith Samuel Harris 19 Blacksmith Julia Harris 17 at home Richard Harris 15 shoemaker Emilyn Harris dau 13 at home James Harris 11 scholar William Harris 5 scholar
And this looks like the final one for John Harris 1841 living at Roskearfields Camborne Thomas Harris 45 Smith Mary Ann Harris 40 William Harris 20 Smith Elizh ( Elizabeth) Harris 20 Mary Harris 20 Mine girl Thomas Harris 15 Smith Eliza Harris 15 ? Jane Harris 15 Dressmaker ? --------------------------------- John Harris 12 Smiths boy Samuell Harris 10 Jula Harris 8 Richd Harris 6 Emlin Harris 3 Mary Harris 1
There is no relationship given in 1841 so look at all these children Did Mary Ann really have 12 children in 20 / 23 years. Where there really two sets of triplets or as it`s more likely they were born within a year of each other. John was obviously used to having a load of childen around him, could be the reason he was willing to adopt Richard Henry. AND we still don`t know where he came from.
Robert Williams, father John, mother Sarah Dec 14, 1828 at Mold Flintshire
I looked for this today in the Mold transciptions and couldn`t find it. If it`s on the IGI it could have been submitted by someone , possiby using the info from the Family Bible. Sarah was thought to be Goodwin, there were quite few in Llanferres, but the films in Wrexham stop c 1790.
Heather found this, so maybe he`ll be in the later Llanferres ones held at Ruthin and Hawarden. A bit of luck here. In 1851 Robert Williams age 22 leadminer, born Denbighshire Llanverres(!),
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