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Post by tominera on Dec 19, 2008 20:12:42 GMT
Hi, This church has been demolished but the burial ground is still in use and was opened in 1907. there is a church across the road which they converted from the church school room and this is still in use. Please look at reply No 2---- I have a photo of the old church should you ever want one ! Tom
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Post by John Hughes on Dec 20, 2008 15:05:31 GMT
Thanks Tom It was worth a try. John
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Post by annedw on Jan 6, 2009 15:37:21 GMT
Still havn`t found them , but I don`t think we`ve seen this record before Are these the right family. RG12; Piece: 4615; Folio 71; Page 36 1891 Pentre Issa Broughton. Marg`t Hughes 44 widow b Pont Robert Montgomeryshire.Speaks both . E A dau 7 b Llanfair Mont. D`d ( David) son 11 b Broughton (transcribed as EA, but looks like D`d to me ) Joseph son 8 " " C J dau 4 " " Free BMD 1884/1887 The only one with initials CJ. Sep 1886 Hughes Catherine Jane Wrexham 11b 286 This looks like CJ in 1901. 1901 RG13; Piece: 5220; Folio: 45; Page: 27. 15 Broughton Rd Brymbo Ellis Roberts 48 underground manager and preacher b Gwylleyfa Denbs. Mary Jane Roberts wife 36 B Brymbo Robert Owen Roberts son 16 Llewllyn Enoch Roberts son 3 Owen Roberts Roberts son 3 months James Thomas Parry boarder 33 Catherine Jane Hughes servant 14 b Brymbo. I wonder if we can find any clues here. Where was Ellis Roberts a preacher, Link to thread about Thomas Hughes. www.minerahistory.proboards78.com/index.cgi?board=neighbour&action=display&thread=92#795
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Post by annedw on Jan 7, 2009 12:32:56 GMT
As far as I can find, Bryn Seion , which was on Clayton Road was the only chapel in the Brymbo area with a grave yard. The deeds for the graveyard seem to first recorded in 1864 , and the chapel itself was in use at least until 1940. I think the Hughes are buried in Bryn Seion, but without a headstone it would be thenearest and in use at the right dates. Ellis Roberts was a trustee for Harwt Chapel , Brymbo built in 1908. Another trustee was Joseph Wilcoxon, my Gt Grandfather. This has the `six links` theory. Me, Joseph W, Ellis Roberts, and Catherine Jane who was related to you. ;D
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 7, 2009 16:19:12 GMT
Hi Annedw. I can confirm all in reply #32 are my family and ancestors including Catherine Jane in the 1901 census. It really feels as if we are getting somewhere now thanks to your input and research. It is rather difficult when you do not know the area, and local knowledge is a godsend. I left the Wrexham district to join the forces when I was 16 and finished up in Sussex [Now63]so my research is long distance..................... Bryn Seion........... I hope they are there ........... do you know if any records of burials exist? or should I E mail the museum at Wrexham.
John.
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Post by annedw on Jan 7, 2009 17:33:03 GMT
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Post by eluned on Jan 7, 2009 17:56:46 GMT
I don't want to put a downer on this but if there are burial or baptism registers, they are usually listed specifically as such rather than a general "record." Hope I'm wrong Lynn
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 8, 2009 13:42:17 GMT
hi. Contacted Ruthin here is the reply I recieved................ NTD/630 Are records held in our notes and transcripts section and include copies of a minute book dated August 1876 to June 1877, a Sunday school register 1914-20 and an account book 1902-1969. these records are written in Welsh.
So it seems there are no burial records at the record office at Ruthin for Bryn Seion chapel
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 8, 2009 13:43:49 GMT
hi. Contacted Ruthin here is the reply I recieved................ NTD/630 Are records held in our notes and transcripts section and include copies of a minute book dated August 1876 to June 1877, a Sunday school register 1914-20 and an account book 1902-1969. these records are written in Welsh.
So it seems there are no burial records at the record office at Ruthin for Bryn Seion chapel
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Post by annedw on Jan 8, 2009 14:16:01 GMT
Oh well, I suppose it was too much to hope for.
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Post by eluned on Jan 8, 2009 14:56:27 GMT
I'm guessing you checked Tom's MI site, link given by abeer in reply 1. He has recorded the MIs for Bryn Sion and there is a Thomas Hughes but no Margaret recorded in the same grave. This site also has some information and pictures of Bryn Seion. I think this is just a different spelling but the same chapel. It looks rather sad and derelict. owensaw.homestead.com/BrynSeion.html
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Post by annedw on Jan 8, 2009 18:10:12 GMT
Yes Eluned, I saw Thomas Hughes in Bryn Seion on Toms site ,, grave 88, also in the same grave 88 is Ann Hughes. Now if you look at the headstone on the link you sent, ---- spooky, but it is the same grave. Unfortunately not `ours`
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Post by eluned on Jan 8, 2009 18:15:28 GMT
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Post by annedw on Jan 8, 2009 18:35:06 GMT
Thats a thought - I always presume that the names on Toms site are people buried in that grave , but of course they are just names on the headstone. Ann the beloved wife of Thomas Hughes Craig Wen who died June 10th ? 1885 aged 48 In the midst of life there is death Still ain`t ours though , but might belong to some one else thats an idea she could be one of mine ;D ;D ;D
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Post by eluned on Jan 8, 2009 19:30:29 GMT
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 11, 2009 20:31:18 GMT
hello. tominera re reply no #2 on this thread. do you know if southsea church you mention was called 'all saints' john
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Post by tominera on Jan 11, 2009 21:50:59 GMT
Hi, Yes it was/is. Regards Tom
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 12, 2009 11:44:35 GMT
Hi. You mentioned there were 4 Margaret Hughes's buried at All Saints do you have access to the burial registers? is it possible to have more infomation on them? and was there a Thomas Hughes there or a Hugh Hughes Or Robert Hughes ,sorry Tom all questions. JOHN
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Post by annedw on Jan 12, 2009 12:38:43 GMT
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 12, 2009 15:19:09 GMT
Thanks Annette. I will write to the vicar to see what records he has. John.
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Post by eluned on Jan 12, 2009 15:31:23 GMT
Before you do,Tominera may be able to help you further with this one. There are also burial records in Wrexham.
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Post by tominera on Jan 12, 2009 17:52:52 GMT
Hi, The official burial register for Southsea All Saints 1907(First bur.) to 1947 is missing but there are records from then on. Like you I was very frustrated looking for info etc so I decided to try my hand at putting a list together(1207 Burials) from any sources who would cooperate-some did some did not. I did it in the form of a database and had it printed and donated copies to Ruthin, Palmer C. Southsea Church and The Broughton History Group who paid for the printing -will put bur det on next message as I am out of space--Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 12, 2009 18:07:23 GMT
Thomas Hughes aged 32 yrs 27 7 1917----also aged yrs 78 29 1 1949 Robert Hughes aged 53 yrs 5 2 1929,--also aged 70 yrs 13 1 1921, Robert David Hughes aged 33 yrs 23 4 1941 Robert John Hughes aged 69 yrs 14 9 1968 Margaret hughes aged 78 yrs 22 3 1984----Margaret Elizabeth 9 yrs 15 9 1938 Mgt Ann Hughes aged 84 yrs 7 2 1934----Mgt Ellen 94 yrs 21 5 2000 realise these are not yours but you have them now and I will enlarge on any if they interest you.--There were no Hugh Hughes's Cheers Tom
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 13, 2009 18:30:38 GMT
thanks Tom. its only margaret hughes that i am liable to pick up as being buried at all saints after 1907 opening of the grave yard ............. ah well back to the drawing board!
john
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 7, 2011 15:32:04 GMT
Happy new year. ; ;D I am back after an illness and reviving my thread I hit a brick wall with a couple of years ago I have infomation about the deaths of Margarets sons . Robert Hughes died Oct 1884 age 8. and Hugh Hughes died March 1891 aged 12. so if we can find where they are interred it might lead to Margarets resting place. incidently Margaret died at 5 Southsea raod S ;Douthsea in 1915
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Post by pierce on Jan 8, 2011 21:40:50 GMT
John Reference the Church Southsea Rd, There is an All Saints Church corner of Southsea Road and Church Road Southsea. There is a small cemetary across from the church which is still in use. There is also St. Pauls Church Pentre Boughton. I would say make enquiries at All Saints Church, from the information in your last post that would appear to be your best bet. Good luck.
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Post by pierce on Jan 8, 2011 21:57:35 GMT
John Further to my last post some further information which I hope will help you. The address for the vicarage is The Vicarage, Smithy Road, Southsea LL11 6PN telephone 01978 754108.
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Post by eluned on Jan 8, 2011 22:03:19 GMT
Hi, The official burial register for Southsea All Saints 1907(First bur.) to 1947 is missing but there are records from then on. Like you I was very frustrated looking for info etc so I decided to try my hand at putting a list together(1207 Burials) from any sources who would cooperate-some did some did not. I did it in the form of a database and had it printed and donated copies to Ruthin, Palmer C. Southsea Church and The Broughton History Group who paid for the printing -will put bur det on next message as I am out of space--Tom Hi All Saints Church as already been checked and discussed further up the thread pierce.
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Post by annedw on Jan 8, 2011 22:18:51 GMT
Maybe there`s an obit for Margaret that might shed some light. problem is Wrexham Archives are closed till middle of Feb. Have you a date for her death ?
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Post by pierce on Jan 8, 2011 22:52:29 GMT
eluned, Yes I was aware that the but as you know, there are still records from 1914 to 1961 Baptisims and marriages from 1922. I considered that bearing in mind the dates and era in which she lived then it is a very good chance that if she and the family lived in the area they would have attended that church, so it is possible that family members would have continued to use the church, and therefore my be recorded in the parish register which have survived. A long shot I know but worth a try.
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