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Post by michaelball on Dec 18, 2008 2:02:05 GMT
Looking for information about JOSIAH RICHARDS BALL connected with Minera from at least 1881 to 1901. We was born Jan. 29, 1836 in Tavistock, Devon and died in Minera area in 1908. His wife was Agnes R. who was aged 68 in 1901. Josiah was a manager of a lead mine in the area His father was Thomas Ball (1807 - 1878) also connected with lead mining and died in Lampeter Wales. Would like information about death date of Josiah and his wife, their burial locations, and any family. Michael Ball mdball@sympatico.ca
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2008 7:20:10 GMT
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 9:43:27 GMT
1861 RG9/4285, F.70, pg.6 Esclusham Above Wern Farm John Williams farmer and family Josiah Ball lodger unm 25 lead mine agent b.Tavistock, Devonshire Cant find him in 1871 In 1881, Agnes is down as Agnes Richards Ball (and living next door to those Carringtons!) Agnes Ball death registered Jun 1/4 1910, 77yrs, Wrexham Josiah Richards Ball death registered Mar 1/4 1908, 72yrs, Wrexham
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 11:11:05 GMT
Hi michael, I don't seem to be able to locate any children Did they have any do you know? Do you also have any marriage details? Eluned
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2008 12:29:40 GMT
RG11; Piece: 5517; Folio: 80; Page: 24 1881 Cae Mynydd Minera Joziah Richards Ball 45 mining engineer b Devonshire, Mary Tavey ? Agnes Richards Ball 48 b Bridge End, South Wales. Mary Roberts 49 unm servant b Mold RG12; Piece: 4616; Folio 79; Page 24 1891 Minera House. Josiah R Ball 55 mining agent b Tavistock. Agnes R Ball 58 b Tavistock ( different to 1881 ) Mary E Andrew 24 cook b Esclusham Hannah Moss 19 domestic servant b Maesafr RG13; Piece: 5223; Folio: 27; Page: 19 1901 Minera House Josiah R Ball 65 manager of leadmine b Tavistock Devon Agnes R Ball 48 b Glamorgan Neath Margaret E Davies, Neice single 25 b Cardigan Aberystwyth Kate O Rogers 17 Domestic servant b Fron. As Eluned says no sign of children, but where were they in 1871. As there are two records of Agnes being from South Wales , I would agree with this. Bridge End / Neath, pretty close together. How does Margaret fit in then
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 12:38:07 GMT
Mary Tavy is near Peter Tavy ;D on the edge of Dartmoor. There are also two villages called Higher and Lower Kelly ;D ;D ;D
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 12:58:58 GMT
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2008 13:08:06 GMT
;D Flamin eck Eluned, I think that deserves to be put on it`s own somewhere else. Who ever Adwy is he/she deserves a massive thank you.
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 13:08:37 GMT
And a big thankyou from me too Adwy. I wonder if he/she comes on here I wonder if Josiah was abroad in 1871 and/or 1851??? The book mentions him studying mining in Spain. Take a look at this site below , perhaps there is an image of the grave stone at Minera Parish Church. www.clwyd-mi.co.uk/
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 13:30:02 GMT
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2008 14:25:16 GMT
HO107; Piece: 2486; Folio: 280; Page: 35 This looks like Thomas the father in 1851 Melindwr Aberwystwyth. Thomas Ball 42 leadmine agent b Mary Tary Devon. Elizabeth wife 36 b Tavistock Emily dau 11 b Ireland Joseph 8 b Llanbadarn-Fawr Cardiganshire. Thomas 6 " William 3 " Elizabeth 8 months. " Josiah would have been about 15, where is he, IGI JOSIAH RICHARDS BALL Birth: 29 JAN 1836 Christening: 21 FEB 1836 Wesleyan, Tavistock, Devon, England Parents: Father: THOMAS BALL Mother: ELIZABETH RICHARDS Looking at the fact that Josiah was Wesleyan, maybe they are not in Minera Church, but perhaps Rehoboth or Coedpoeth.
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 14:37:05 GMT
The Minera book says Minera Parish Church but perhaps the Cylchgrawn may have an obituary. And you found the Richards link. Brilliant. So does Agnes use it like a double barrelled name do you think?
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2008 14:57:30 GMT
You could be right Eluned, Jojo`s Carrintons were buried in Minera but with an obit in `Cylchgrawn`. There may be something in the Wrexham Advertiser, he was quite an important man.
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Post by eluned on Dec 18, 2008 15:00:31 GMT
Cant find them in 1841 either. Perhaps in Ireland where Emily was born. Very well travelled family
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Post by annedw on Dec 22, 2008 12:56:27 GMT
Michael says he has a photo of Josiah( another post) I wonder if he is like the desciption given in the Minera Book. ` He has a flattened nose, giving him a pugilistic appearance , measures 66 inches around the waist`
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Post by annedw on Dec 22, 2008 15:46:07 GMT
Looking at1901 living with Josiah. Margaret E Davies, Neice single 25 b Cardigan Aberystwyth It looks like Margaret was the daughter of Josiah`s sister Emily, who died between 1876 and 1881. So even if Josiah didn`t have children, then he had at least these nephews and neices. In 1851 living with Josiah`s father is Emily Ball.dau 11 b Ireland In 1868 Mar qtr Tregaron. Emily Ball marries Thomas William Davies. RG10; Piece: 5568; Folio: 87; Page: 30 1871 Yspytty Ystwyth, Pontrhydygroes Post Office Thomas W Davies 32 Draper and Grocer b Llanddewi-Brefi, Cardiganshire ( Little Britain ;D ;D ;D) Emily Davies 32 b IrelandThomas Wm Davies son 2 Ysbytty Ystwyth, Cardiganshire Mary E Davies dau 11 months Ysbytty Ystwyth, Cardiganshire, Thomas E Brooker 17 David Hughes 15 Elizabeth Davies 17 RG11; Piece: 5450; Folio: 89; Page: 2; 1881 Pontrhydygroes Shop Yspytty Ystwyth Thomas William Daves 42 widower. Grocer and draper. Employing 6 servants. Thomas W. Davies son 12 Mary E. Davies dau 10 George Ll. Davies son 9 Louisa J. Davies dau 7 Margaret E. Davies dau 5 Mary Jones 55 Housekeeper Sarah Davies 16 Domestic Servant Evan R. Morgan 19 Grocer Draper and shopman Thomas Edwards 16 " 2 apprentice William Jones 22 Waggoner David Jones 15 Carrinau
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Post by eluned on Dec 28, 2008 8:55:10 GMT
Hi michael, I don't seem to be able to locate any children Did they have any do you know? Do you also have any marriage details? Eluned Hi Michael, After finding out such alot about Josiah, I am interested to know more. Just call me nosey
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Post by llosgi calch on Dec 28, 2008 21:32:22 GMT
Hello Michael,
I hope you have now received and viewed the several recent pictures of Minera House which I have sent you via email.
Cofion Llosgi Calch
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Post by michaelball on Feb 2, 2009 2:02:39 GMT
Thank you for all the kind "ideas" about Josiah Richards Ball. In reading his obit. and burial notices there is only a mention of a wife. Other people with a "Ball" surname are listed a nephew. There are other "relatives" with a ROWSE surname so I expect a niece must have married into that family. It is quite possible that at the time of the "missing" census Josiah may have been in Spain working in the lead mines these. Michael Ball mdball@sympatico.ca
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Post by michaelball on Feb 2, 2009 2:08:48 GMT
I think it is likely that Josiah Richards Ball was married in the Mary Tavy / Tavistock area of Devon. He was born in Mary Tavy and bsptised in Tavistock. His mother was Elizabeth Richards and she was also born in that area. It the maiden name of Josiah's wife Agnes was also RICHARDS as one of the census records indicates then it is quite likely she came from the same branch of the Richards family. Unfortunately, Richards in that part of Devon is rather common and I have not been able to find people who are researching the family. Thanks, again, for all the useful suggestions. Michael Ball mdball@sympatico.ca
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Post by eluned on Feb 2, 2009 15:23:03 GMT
Hi Michael, I haven't been able to find a marriage anywhere in England or Wales between 1861 and 1881, this includes Devon I'm afraid. Reading back through the thread Annedw's had found this "In 1868 Mar qtr Tregaron. Emily Ball marries Thomas William Davies." Interestingly there is a Josiah Richards Ball birth registered in Tregaron, Cardigan in Jun 1/4 1873. I would be tempted to look into this Josiah's parentage perhaps
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Post by eluned on Feb 2, 2009 15:45:08 GMT
IGI Josiah Richards Ball bap 1 Jun 1873 Yspytty-Ystwyth, Cardigan, Wales Parents William and Ellen Anne Ball Marr registered Tregaron Jun 1/4 1871 Eleanor Ann Bennetts to William Ball They must be related
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Post by annedw on Feb 2, 2009 18:01:54 GMT
They probably are, it looks like Josiahs younger brother. See reply 10 HO107; Piece: 2486; Folio: 280; Page: 35 1851 Melindwr Aberwystwyth. Thomas Ball 42 leadmine agent b Mary Tary Devon. Elizabeth wife 36 b Tavistock Emily dau 11 b Ireland Joseph 8 b Llanbadarn-Fawr Cardiganshire. Thomas 6 " William 3 " Elizabeth 8 months. "
Josiah would have been about 15, where is he,
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Post by tominera on Apr 16, 2009 16:32:59 GMT
Hi, I noticed Josiahs Burial was in Minera Churchyard 6 3 1908 aged 72yrs Minera House, Minera. when I was searching today. Tom (Just in case it is not already on the site)
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Post by michaelball on Apr 3, 2014 2:21:35 GMT
Looking for information about JOSIAH RICHARDS BALL connected with Minera from at least 1881 to 1901. We was born Jan. 29, 1836 in Tavistock, Devon and died in Minera area in 1908. His wife was Agnes R. who was aged 68 in 1901. Josiah was a manager of a lead mine in the area His father was Thomas Ball (1807 - 1878) also connected with lead mining and died in Lampeter Wales. Would like information about death date of Josiah and his wife, their burial locations, and any family. Michael Ball mdball@sympatico.ca Is there a difference between Minera House and Minera Hall ? In my research into the life of Josiah Richards Ball I found that he was living in "Minera House. I recently discovered a postcard, on eBay, of Minera Hall near Wrexham. Michael Ball mdball@sympatico.ca
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Post by nellie on Apr 3, 2014 9:24:56 GMT
Hi Michael, I don't know where Minera House was but they are not the same place. Crockers Wrexham Directory 1881/1882 has Rev. R Owen Burton living at Minera Hall and Josiah Ball, Manager Minera Lead Mining Co. Ltd., living in Minera House. Villages and Parishes in the County of Denbighshire 1886 has John Robert Burton living at Minera Hall and Josiah Richards Ball, Mine Agent,living in Minera House. Hope someone can tell you where Minera House was. Nellie
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Post by tominera on Apr 3, 2014 13:34:19 GMT
Hi, Minera House is about halfway between Minera and New Brighton in an area known locally as "The Pentre" and I am pretty sure it is someones residence at the minute. Regards Tom
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Post by frankm on Apr 3, 2014 23:17:16 GMT
Denbighshire Records Office has a collection on loan from G.F.Wynne which comprises the records of five companies with whom G.F. Wynne was associated - as secretary of the Minera Mining Company and United Minera Mining Company, and as manager of the Record Vanner and Slimer Company, the Minera Mines Gravel and Concrete Company and the Infallible Exposure Meter Company. In addition there are some personal papers.
This one mentions Minera House
212 Certificate from John Harrison, builder and contractor, Coedpoeth, as to completion of repairs to Mr. Kyrke's property (Minera House & cottages) Pentre Minera. 1915.
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Post by annedw on Apr 5, 2014 15:31:30 GMT
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Post by annedw on Apr 5, 2014 15:44:12 GMT
goo.gl/maps/nEGScWith a bit of luck you might find it on Google maps. This should be the satellite view. You can just make it out on Street View if you find the Georgian Style House. It`s up the track off the main road.
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