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Post by annedw on Mar 29, 2009 16:59:08 GMT
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Post by eluned on Mar 29, 2009 18:10:12 GMT
I wonder who the gentleman is? Could he have lived in the Cemetery Lodge at the time? Perhaps someone may know of him.
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Post by annedw on Mar 30, 2009 16:28:09 GMT
Tom has spotted that the card is adressed to Miss A Owens, from the message we can see she is referred to as you little Agnes, she has not been well , and the card is from her ` lovely / loving sister Jessie`. Agnes seems to at the home of a Mr W Morris 4 Broad St Welshpool, Pity there`s no date on the card. There was an Agnes Owens born about 1887 and she was the daughter of Owen Owens the blacksmith of Five Crosses, but no sister named Jessie , only Jane Elizabeth. Betcha someone will work this out by the time I get back from Spain.
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Post by hilary on Mar 30, 2009 16:29:48 GMT
That'll be the photographer's assistant sitting on the bench! H
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Post by annedw on Mar 30, 2009 17:00:08 GMT
In 1901 , No 4 Broad Street is an uninhabited house, no clues there then . Welshpool , district 16 image 23. Just a thought, if Agnes had been poorly, it`s a bit naughty of her `lovely / loving sister` to send her a photo of the Cemetery ;D ;D ;D
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Post by tominera on Mar 30, 2009 17:02:53 GMT
Hi, I believe the wording is actually--Dear Agnes your letter -------- which if it had been (ARRIVED) would make sense as she appears to be answering a message---I realise this is a triviality and it will be far more interesting to find out who Agnes & Jesse were.
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Post by eluned on Mar 30, 2009 17:54:01 GMT
Don't forget that sisters in law would also have called themselves sister So did one of Owen Owens sons marry a Jessie? Perhaps someone could nip down the cemetery and recreate the photo and we could see which stones were there and which ones weren't. Could give us a rough date From around September 1902 postcard manufacturers began to issue cards with a line drawn down the middle of the back to show where the message and address should be written.This one looks hand drawn to me Has anyone noticed this card doesn't have a stamp but has a space for what looks like a half penny one which was the postage rate until 1918 Jessie asks "what do you think of this post card" I would love to see the reply ;D ;D ;D
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Post by eluned on Mar 31, 2009 15:53:25 GMT
Not disregarding Agnes being the daughter of Owen Owens as yet. But I have found a Agnes with a sister Jessie (if this what the name reads, I'm not convinced Opinions most welcome please 1891 Stretford, Herefordshire (HEF) Poolhouse Edward Owens H M 46 shepherd B.New Radnor, RAD Emma " W M 33 B." James Harris " 12 B." Agnes " 10 B." Edward George " 8 B.Discoed, RAD Jessie " 4 B.Sarnesfield, HEF Mary Ann " 1 b.Wormsley, HEF 1881 Agnes is 7 months and living New Radnor 1901 She is a servant, domestic cook with Thomas Evans Duggan and his family, New Radnor. Jessie remains at home .
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Post by eluned on Mar 31, 2009 16:06:08 GMT
Well done to Tominera who has taken the trouble to go to the Cemetery and take a photo and has made a brilliant job too Thank you
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Post by jojo on Mar 31, 2009 16:39:39 GMT
Look at all the large monuments, people had money even then. I have a hazy memory of my Nain (in Tregarth) paying weekly into some sort of memorial fund so that expenses would be covered for her own funeral etc. ? I do remember my father teasing her about being ghoulish, which upset her. Perhaps something similar was available in Coedpoeth as well. My other grandmother on mother's side, somehow paid for her parents, who both died in Birkenhead, to be buried at St Cedol outside Bangor. This was in 1906 and 1910. They were not wealthy people so not sure how that would have been paid for. Or how it would have been accomplished. Taken by train or?
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Post by annedw on Mar 31, 2009 17:45:55 GMT
Looking at Toms pics. thoses stones were made to last, I`m sure they`ll still be there in another 100 years.
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Post by eluned on Mar 31, 2009 18:50:37 GMT
Spot the difference ;D ;D ;D Houses have been built, bushes grown, but the telegraph pole still appears in the same place The kerb graves on the left of the path, in the foreground, don't seem to be on the postcard Two columns close to them have took a tumble And on Tominera's photo, there is a tall dark column with an urn like top and I cant see it on the postcard.....
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Post by tominera on Apr 2, 2009 19:16:16 GMT
The last high column headstone on left of pic is plot 1340 Joseph Jones LW IMG 9998 Died 18 3 1897 The next one to be erected was plot 1341 and is now in a state of disrepair John Davies LWG 9997 died 27 3 1899 and is def. not on old pic. I realise this does not prove anything other than that the Pic was taken after 1897 as we do not know how long it took to have a memorial stone made and erected---- ---Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 2, 2009 20:04:28 GMT
Is one of these the black one I mention Tom? Its visable just past those two gravestones that are more ornate than any of the others and looks like the top of a lamp post till you zoom in and then as I said seems to be an urn
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Post by tominera on Apr 2, 2009 21:46:36 GMT
HI, No, The two plots mentioned are the Plinth with the square column(collapsed) placed in front of it nearest camera(erected after old pic) and the next one to it is the one going away from camera which is on old pic.--The urn is actually on top of LW img 3 &4 of William Carrington Jones headstone, a double plot but No 1336 in reg. Mary died 1902 so we must presume they had already purchased this plot previously.---as the plots either side are dated 1898 & 1899---We now know this column was placed there after pic was taken but we do not know when other than after 1902.--I Have a pic with vase on top if anyone wants it--Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 6, 2009 16:33:09 GMT
So with the Tominera's invaluble sleuthing, we know when approx the picture was taken c.1901 but not when it was sent Still waiting for the 1911 census if we can afford to look!
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Post by tominera on Nov 24, 2009 20:57:57 GMT
Hi, Just an update on the old pic as I have been very reliably informed the man on the pic is the Cemetery Superintendent Mr John Richards a miner who was injured in the mines and given a part time job. Later upgraded to full time. I believe his headstone is LW img 9545 and the inscription mentions he and his wife were buried together on 19 6 1931 John died 15 6 1931 aged 84 yrs and Jane died 17 6 1931 aged 81 yrs and he is actually wearing his uniform in the pic. maybe a census check would prove I have the right people Tom Attachments:
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Post by eluned on Nov 24, 2009 21:15:44 GMT
1901 Bersham RG13/5219, f.75, f.5 Cemetery Lodge John Richards H mar 54 cemetery superintendent b.Wrexham Jane Richards wife 51 b." Frances J Richards daur 17 asst. dressmaker b."
1891 Bersham RG12/4614, f.90, pg.27 Church Street John Richards H mar 44 coal miner Jane Richards wife 41 Mary Ellen Richards daur 19 Francis Jane Richards " 7 sch All born Bersham
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Post by annedw on Nov 25, 2009 9:35:26 GMT
I`m glad Tom thought on, and saved the original pic from Ebay, they do get taken off after a while, and of course we didn`t have the option of adding pictures then.
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Post by tominera on Nov 27, 2009 19:25:04 GMT
Hi,I have been chatting to John Richards's great grandaughter today and she remembers the double funeral even though she was only aged 4 at the time-A service in Salem Chapel was followed by the tolling of the church bells as the very large cortege walked to the cemetery---she wore a navy blue pleated skirt and carried a posy of Arum lilies in her nice white gloves, hope you are getting the picture ;D Any doubters take a look at his hat, Tom Attachments:
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Post by jojo on Nov 27, 2009 22:33:34 GMT
Why do they go too big for screen when clicked on Hi Tom The original picture is 3264 pixels wide - most likely the setting in the camera. It's great for blow ups of photographs etc because it shows more detail but too big for computer screens to show. Most screens display about 1080 pixels wide. The thing to do is use free a photo editing program like Irfanview to resize the one you want to post. Just make sure you save it under another name so that you keep the original file size safe. I have the full on paid edition of Adobe Photoshop but I actually prefer Irfanview for photo editing. Heather
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Post by tominera on Nov 28, 2009 15:07:25 GMT
This pic (possibly a postcard originally) was taken by Rigden in Coedpoeth Cemetery you can see New Brighton and Minera Mountain in the background, they are John Richards children Francis Jane, Mary Ellen and their younger bother who was sadly killed in first world war aged 17 and I am sorry I have mislaid his name but can get it again if required by anyone. Apparently Rigden supplied the tent and set it up while the parents fetched the table and props from the Cemetery Lodge where they lived.---Thanks for the tips resizing etc which does look successful so far--will try replacing previous one now--Tom Attachments:
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Post by tominera on Nov 28, 2009 15:24:56 GMT
Hope this works as I could not modify pic on a previous post, getting there and this may have been ok on landscape Attachments:
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Post by tominera on Nov 29, 2009 15:29:58 GMT
Stiil trying and thanks for the advice---I believe I have cracked it at last ;D Tom Attachments:
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Post by jojo on Nov 30, 2009 8:23:34 GMT
Hi Tom
Practice makes perfect ;D
H
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Post by annedw on Aug 13, 2010 14:08:09 GMT
This pic (possibly a postcard originally) was taken by Rigden in Coedpoeth Cemetery they are John Richards children Francis Jane, Mary Ellen and their younger bother who was sadly killed in first world war aged 17 and I am sorry I have mislaid his name but can get it again if required by anyone. --Tom Hi Tom, do you remember his name
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Post by tominera on Aug 13, 2010 18:19:35 GMT
Hi, I did not bother to find his name at the time but will have a look at the 1911 census later which should provide it -maybe/sorry Tom
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Post by tominera on Aug 13, 2010 18:50:08 GMT
Hi, My idea was rubbish as there was only John & Jane Richards living in Cemetery Lodge in 1911--However it says they had five children b. alive but 3 are sadly dead in 1911.--This may indicate some false info I received as the son may not have existed or was not killed in First world war I am unable to check with my contact at the minute SORREE--Tom
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Post by annedw on Aug 14, 2010 14:01:42 GMT
So the pic with the tent may not be John Richards family after all. ;D
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Post by tominera on Aug 14, 2010 14:38:24 GMT
Hi, I was hoping to sort it all out today, but the phone number of my contact has been changed or something similar as I cannot get through, so it looks as though it will have to remain unsolved for now Apologise for any inconvenience-Tom
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