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Post by annedw on Aug 1, 2009 21:13:57 GMT
I`ve reposted this here from the Minera Headstones thread, minerahistory.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=mineragwynfryn&action=display&thread=874&page=1My first post to you. I am looking for any descendants of William Roberts and Harriet Jones who were married at Minera in about 1872 although I suspect that they were Chapelgoers. They moved to Eclusham and then to Coedpoeth.They had 10 children altogether who lived and appear on censuses. For the baptism of Beatrice, the last child, in about 1895 they are living in High Street CoedPoeth.Salem Chapel records Roland,their 9th child, was a policeman around WW2 and then he and his wife Annie kept a fish and chip shop until into 1960's . Their children were Gwen b 1919, Eldred and Heulwen.I am in contact with their family but wondered about any others.My grandmother was Mary Jane [Polly] b 1875. She moved to Manchester when she married. Hope someone can help.Thank you Sue
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Post by susanjane on Aug 2, 2009 23:05:23 GMT
This is the family of William and Harriet Roberts with the info that I have so far.
William Roberts born c1851/2 a lead miner-he gives various birth places-no help !! Harriet Jones b c1855/6 at Minera [west of Wrexham]
Robert b c1873/4 b Minera-lead miner then coal miner.Married Hannah Pierce in 1897 and had Myfanwy 1898 and Dilys 1907.
Mary Jane 1875/6 ditto [Feb 6th-the day George Vl died was her b'day]My grandmother
William b c 1878 married Charlotte around 1900 and had Hughie and Florrie[Florence around 1908 judging by a photo with my aunts] Isaac b 1881 at Eclusham Above where they were living at the census -late March 1881
John Henry 1882/3 ditto -coal miner at 18 in 1901. He married Jane Elizabeth ? and was killed in July 1915 aged 32.he was Company Serg Major in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers.Jane lived at 3,Gwem Howell,Coedpoeth. Frederick G c1886/7 at Bersham/Coedpoeth. he went to Chicago around 1933 to work for Buick Motors and then went to Florida.
Maggi Lizzi c 1887/8 ditto --later known as Margaret Elizabeth.It is thought that she died in her 20's-1911/19. Albert E b c1889/90 ditto baptised at Salem Chapel
Rowland b c1892/3 married Annie Griffiths and had Gwen 1919, Eldred and Heulwen 1933. He kept the fish and chip shop and also became a policeman around WW2.
Beatrice M b c 1895 ditto had Eileen and Hilda and Alwyn That is 10 children-maybe there were more-does anyone know any of the family of these, please?
Sue
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Post by tominera on Aug 4, 2009 19:03:23 GMT
Hi, This may be of some use burials in Cpth Cem. Plot 698 ROBERTS Robert aged 73 yrs bur. 3 12 1947 " ROBERTS Hannah aged 73 yrs bur. 30 11 1945 " ROBERTS John Francis Frederick aged 2yrs 6 mths 11 3 1903 Plot 2061 ROBERTS Harriet 59 yrs bur 17 12 1914 " ROBERTS William 68 yrs bur 14 12 1918 " ROBERTS Glenys 21 Months bur 20 2 1924 " ROBERTS Maldwyn 11 Hours bur 23 9 1924 Plot 550 ROBERTS Isaac 80 yrs bur 23 3 1962 " ROBERTS Susannah 84 Yrs 10 12 1962 " ROBERTS Thomas Islwyn 3 Mths 15 8 1907---LW IMG 8085 I remember Roland Roberts and his wife running the chip shop and always thought he was a special ???Cop not a real one but memory does play tricks Regards Tom
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Post by annedw on Aug 4, 2009 20:13:35 GMT
One of the sons, Robert who is buried in Coedpoeth
RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 75; Page: 6. 1901 3 Smelt Road Coedpoeth. Robert Roberts 26 coalminer b Minera Hannah Roberts 29 b Plas Gwyn Myfanwy Roberts 2 b Welshpool John Francis Frederick Roberts 7 months b Llanidloes Mont.
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Post by susanjane on Aug 10, 2009 14:09:58 GMT
Tom-sorry!! When I log in it says susanjane 0 messages so I haven't looked!! Thank you for the info though
Robert and Hannah had Dillis after 1901
Sue
Sue
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Post by susanjane on Aug 21, 2009 14:58:31 GMT
It seems possible that Jane Elizabeth Owens born 1882 is linked to this Roberts family.In 1905 I believe that she married John Henry Roberts the 5th son of William and Harriet ]Jones].I haven't discovered what family they had.
He was killed in WW1 in 1915 when he was 32 and Company Sergeant Major of 4th Battalion Royal Welsh Fuseliers.His widow Jane Elizabeth lived at 3,Gwem Howell,Coedpoeth.[on CWGC site]
I would love to link up with any family that they had.Can anyone tell me if I am right?
I made these guesstemets after reading this topic and also the Owens family history on minera history .I have copied this message to the Owens topic. Sue
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Post by eluned on Aug 21, 2009 15:13:13 GMT
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Post by eluned on Aug 21, 2009 15:56:43 GMT
Coedpoeth War Memorial Co. Sergt. Major J Henry Roberts killed in action. He also appears on the large WW1 Roll of Honor plaque, 6th person entered, but his details are obscurred by light reflection
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Post by eluned on Aug 21, 2009 18:12:52 GMT
John H Roberts' War medal card KIA 18/7/15 Reg. no. 3894, 4th RWF Rank Cr. Sjt (colour sergeant) Gained the British, Victory and Star medals. Date of entry 6/11/14
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Post by susanjane on Aug 21, 2009 21:58:35 GMT
Thank you for all the details that you have sent. No I have only just found this marriage and it might not be right-I did say 'might be a link'!.I keep hoping that I will find descendants who will confirm things!! Too many John Roberts/Jane Roberts on 1911 for me to throw my money around!!
I did order the marriage cert of William Roberts and Harriet Jones in 1873 last night to find her fathers name and also the birth cert of William Roberts youngest brother Isaac b 1857 to get the names of both their parents.William was one of 2 born at Yspytty we think.I cannot find them on 1841 and 1851 censuses.By 1861 Jane, their mother, was in Minera with Jonah Oldfield and all his children too.12 in all.
I would like to find more descendants if possible. I have found people linked to William jnr , Roland and Beatrice Roberts in the past few weeks.
Sue
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Post by eluned on Aug 22, 2009 11:44:48 GMT
Thank you for all the details that you have sent. No I have only just found this marriage and it might not be right-I did say 'might be a link'!.I keep hoping that I will find descendants who will confirm things!! Too many John Roberts/Jane Roberts on 1911 for me to throw my money around!! Sue Yeah can be an expensive job, so I appreciate what you're saying Just looked on a thread on this forum "1911 census records" and there seem to be only 3 houses listed for the address you mentioned (it isn't a complete list though ). 3 Gwern Howell, Church St, there's a Mr Roberts Next door to The Free Library eluned
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Post by susanjane on Aug 22, 2009 23:47:07 GMT
Thanks again! I couldn't find the forum thread 1911 but had another search on the 1911 site and bought a transcript which was correct. [smiling face-how do I add them?]
John Henry Roberts 28 coal miner hewer born Bersham Jane Elizabeth 28 b Minera married 5 years William Owen 4 b Bersham Elizabeth 3 b BERSHAM AND at the same address. On BMD I have found several children born from Sep 1912 to1916 to Roberts and mother Owens. Thomas H/David t/Phyllis/George E/Norman/Freda/Herbert/Olwen. I think Phyllis died young but can anyone confirm any of these as belonging to this family?
Sue
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Post by susanjane on Aug 30, 2009 14:27:14 GMT
The certificates that I sent for have now arrived. William Roberts 22 engine driver married Harriet Jones 19 on 25th October 1873 at the Register Office,Wrexham.Both of Minera.The fathers were Robert Roberts and John Jones both deceased lead miners.Witnesses were Willliam Jones and Miriam Jones. By certificate Before James H Pierce Deputy Registrar and John Berry Supt Regr. The bride left her mark Isaac Jones the last child of Robert Roberts Lead miner and Jane Roberts formerly Roberts was born on 25th May 1857 at Bryn FFelig Minera registered on 3rd June 1857 by the mother Jane Roberts who left her mark .John Hughes Registrar If anyone is part of these families then I would love to know about them. When I have time I will look at some censuses again.The first children of Robert and Jane Roberts were born in Yspytty Ifan-according to censuses. I need to find the grandparents if possible and also death registrations and cert for Robert Roberts and John Jones. Hope that yoy are all enjoying a ???sunnier Sunday than here in Somerset!! Sue
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Post by eluned on Aug 31, 2009 12:55:54 GMT
If you need any help, everyone is very willing to do look ups/searches
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Post by susanjane on Sept 1, 2009 22:45:13 GMT
Thank you for your offer.I have now found the family in Yspytty Ifan in 1851 called Williams!!Not yet found in 1841 and no idea why he changed his name.
Robert Williams later Roberts had a mother called Margaret formerly Roberts and his 2nd wife was Jane Roberts-as above. Robert died on23/12/1856 which was 5 months before his son Isaac was born at Bryn helig, Minera.Was this from an accident?He was 41
I now have access to a family Tree and there is a large extended family there. When I have managed to take it all in then I will add more here.I noticed some people born in Bersham.
best wishes Sue
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Post by susanjane on Sept 5, 2009 22:54:05 GMT
Robert Roberts aged 40 died on 23/12/1856 as stated above by falling down an Ironstone mine air pit.He had only been working in the Minera mines since 1851, at the earliest.He is described as mine labourer . He left 7 children which includes William above born 1851 at Yspytty Ifan. Sue
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Post by susanjane on Jul 30, 2010 14:21:06 GMT
I have recently had access to family albums which contain Roberts photos BUT no names !! My grandmother I believe put together an album for her own 'amusement' and forgot about the succeeding generations!! This photo has turned up which I believe is William Roberts and Harriet nee Jones in about 1888 with some of their family.In all the censuses Harriet says she was born in Minera .Does anyone recognise anyone on it? In the next picture I have my ALDRED family in Flixton manchester in about 1919-1922 with-I think Rowland Roberts in the centre-aged approx 28 and an unknown older woman.Harriet was dead by then but this could be a Roberts or a Jones aunt aged 60 plus[or even an Oldfield step aunt]Again does anyone have her in their photos? HELP--someone will have to tell me-offline-how to insert images.I have it in a photo programme ready. Sue
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Post by eluned on Jul 30, 2010 14:45:53 GMT
Hi Click reply, click browse. This opens a file upload box. "Look in" the folder where the photo is located ie.my pictures. Locate the file and click open. If you are used to adding attachments to emails, it works in the same way.
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Post by susanjane on Jul 30, 2010 20:22:23 GMT
This seems to be William Roberts and Harriet Jones who married in 1872. They lived in Bersham and Eclusham.He was a miner Children were Robert 1873/Mary Jane 1875/ William 1878/Isaac 1880/JOHN henry 1882/Fred.George 1885 Margaret Elizabeth 1887 The child back right is a girl so presumably my Grandmother Mary Jane. I would suggest that this is the family- Robert down to Frederick the baby so taken in 1886 or without Robert there and William is back left and down to Margaret so taken in 1888/9 Attachments:
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Post by susanjane on Jul 30, 2010 20:36:47 GMT
Here are some of my Aldred family in about 1919-1923 In the picture with 6 people GWLADYS b1900 and her fiancee Rowland Roberts b 1892 his sister Mary Jane Aldred nee Roberts b 1875 my grandfather John/Jack Aldred b 1879 and our mystery lady aged 60 plus who could be a Roberts, a Jones or even an Oldfield step aunt on the other photo there are other family members with them. Does anyone claim this lady? I have some other photos of her-presumably in Wrexham?Coedpoeth at the back of a long terrace of houses but with an amazing flower garden.Perhaps she grew them to sell-they seem to be all one variety Sue Sue Attachments:
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Post by eluned on Jul 30, 2010 20:37:23 GMT
Hi Unusual to see a few smiles in the early photo
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Post by susanjane on Jul 30, 2010 20:38:51 GMT
This is the photo of 6 people. Sue Attachments:
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Post by eluned on Jul 30, 2010 20:48:58 GMT
Hi I'm no expert but I think the "older" lady is less then 60. There also seems to be a similarity between her and the gent in the middle- Rowland Roberts?
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Post by susanjane on Jul 30, 2010 21:49:22 GMT
I might be wrong and this is not taken in Coedpoeth but in the Manchester area.It shows the terrace of houses. My grandfather John Aldred ,our mystery guest, and probably Rowland Roberts.After WW1 The lady in the white dress in the prevous photo is not Rowlands mother nor a sibling. Sue Attachments:
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Post by susanjane on Jul 30, 2010 23:13:51 GMT
I cannot see the place to Click " New Thread" I think it should be headed Roberts-WW1 soldiers as I have some more pictures This is a picture of the Sergeants Mess of the Royal Welsh Fuseliers.I have identified the cap badge.The postcard is post marked ABERGAVENNY 09[1909] JOHN HENRY ROBERTS b 1882 was a Territorial and they appear to have been there for Annual ? Camp.He says that it has been wet and isn't a good place for Drilling purposes. He had sent it to my grandfather John/Jack Aldred, his brother in law in Flixton, and signs it Brother Jack He was killed in 1915 when he was Company Sergeant Major and has been mentioned in previous posts. [Jack Aldred was also a Company Sergeant Major in the Manchester Regiment] Sue Attachments:
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Post by susanjane on Aug 1, 2010 7:57:50 GMT
One of my Roberts 'cousins' is trying to find out when and where her grandfather William Roberts b 1878 died.
In 1901 he and his wife Charlotte kept the Foresters Arms at Gyffin, Conway.In 1911 they lived in Crewe and he was a Commission agent and they had 4 children. Her mother Florence was the youngest b 1908 and could remember that she was quite young-5-8 years.The family stayed in the Manchester area.
On Freebmd there are several Williams in Wales and the NW between 1913-18.We are unaware of him having a second name/initial. The last likely one died in the Dec quarter 1917 in Wrexham district. Is there a record of this death-or a burial which could confirm or eliminate him from our family please? Thank you Sue
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Post by susanjane on Aug 29, 2010 15:30:12 GMT
This photo is from the 1920's or 30's. I am fairly sure that it is one of the Roberts brothers with his wife. Can anyone recognise the pavilion or memorial with the winged figure on top? I am afraid that the photo is rather faint.I have put as much contrast on it as I can. Sue Attachments:
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Post by susanjane on Aug 29, 2010 15:38:15 GMT
Here is our Mystery lady again . Is this a Royal Welsh Fusiliers badge? She might be a sister to Harriet Roberts nee Jones I suppose Sue Attachments:
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Post by eluned on Aug 29, 2010 15:56:23 GMT
Hi If you scan the last one at a higher resolution, it may be possible to zoom in on the badge but as it is it just pixelates, sorry. eluned
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Post by susanjane on Aug 29, 2010 17:37:14 GMT
I thought that was what happened when one has had too much to drink ! ;D Not too sure how to scan in a higher resolution!! Will have to take advice If you look at my thread Roberts WW1 Soldiers and the second photo I think that this man could well be the fourth soldier in the line. I think that the second one is the youngest son Roland/Rolant. He was blinded for a time by gas but recovered. This group could show 4 Roberts brothers.Isaac/ Roland/Frederick and Robert the eldest or John Henry.Maybe this was earlier and they were all Territorials pre war.Roland was 18 in 1911.John Henry was CO Sgt Major by 1915 when he was killed The older lady is wearing awedding ring and we have a photo that might be from 1923.She had a great display of flowers-presumably somewhere in the Coedpoeth area Sue
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