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Post by peterej on Mar 8, 2010 18:00:50 GMT
I see from the latest Hel Achau (bottom of page 54) that Machine House , Pendwll Road, Moss is still standing. My great grandfather Thomas Jones was living there in 1901 and the family is still there in 1904 when my grandfather John James Jones married. The address given on Thomas Jones death certificate in 1905 was Pendwllyn Farm,Moss. Does anyone know anything about the property and its unusual name and if the second address is the same place. Thomas Jones and family are on the page just above Samuel Williams who is mentioned in the article in the 1901 and I guess more than one family was in the property. The family address in 1911 is 18 Brynmally Lane and again is this the same? If anyone can pinpoint the property I will make a visit to look sometime. Thanks for any help
Peter
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Post by annedw on Mar 8, 2010 18:46:56 GMT
www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.07736&lon=-3.036151&z=15.4&r=349&src=mslPendwll Road is a dead end road , it runs along side the Moss Valley Golf Course. many of the houses are new properties , but there are a few of the older ones here and there. I was walking along there just a couple of weeks ago, but can`t recall seeing Machine House, but if course I wasn`t looking for it then ;D My own Hughes family lived there. I think Brynmally is higher up , more towards Broughton. Attachments:
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Post by peterej on Mar 8, 2010 19:18:24 GMT
Thanks for that. I have looked previously in the area - Top Road- in particular and know roughly where it is. If you have a chance on one of your walks do you mind looking if you can see it. Presumably all trace of the mine has now gone.
Peter
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Post by annedw on Mar 9, 2010 12:53:42 GMT
I had a look this morning as it`s a nice day , there`s no house named Machine House, and the two cottages that are at the very end of the road RH side are called Bryn Malley. Of course it could be something else. On the opposite side, across from the Swimming pool is a terrace of old cottages set back from the road, these are just numbered. Perhaps the person who did the article in Hel Achau can help. There`s nothing left of the pit, it was gone years ago when I used to play down there. It was dirty slag heap then, and has now been grassed over. The only things left are the entrance to the Summerhill tunnel by the Golf Course car park and the big wall where the bridge was. A few big stones that may have been buildings in the trees. There are a few trackways that I guess were the railway lines, thats all. It`s hard to imagine all that was there at that time.
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Post by peterej on Mar 9, 2010 17:44:49 GMT
Thanks for looking. That dog of yours gets a lot of exercise! I will go that way on my next visit to the area just in case. I might knock on a few doors. I had thought about contacting Hel Achau and will probably give them a ring to see if the author can be contacted. A Summerhill tunnel and swimming pool - I had no idea.
Thanks again
Peter
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Post by pierce on Aug 23, 2010 19:56:09 GMT
Yes the top of Pendwll Road is now blocked off by a gate Just the other side of the gate there were 2 houses I believe that one of the families was called Williams. The path led to Brymally Colliery, my Grandfather Oswald Pierce formerly of 16 Top Boat House was killed in a underground accident on the 31.1.1934. My Grandmother then moved into 18 Pendwll Road ( Now known as Brynmally Cottage, Oswald's father John had been living at number 19 since at least 1891, formerly lived at 10 Moss Road. I was born at number 9 Pendwll Road. In the field behind numbers 18 and 19 were the outside toilets roughly where the garage of Tregarron now stands. On the other side of the field were the Stables for the Pit Ponies and the Ambulance station. Where the properties Pendwll House and Highfield House now stand were cottages which were declared unfit to live in and the people were moved to new property in Brynteg. I remember the ruins still there in the early sixty's. The top and bottom boat houses have long gone, though again the ruins were still there in the sixty's.
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Post by annedw on Aug 24, 2010 8:25:11 GMT
Hi Pierce, You might find this thread interesting. minerahistory.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=neighbour&thread=724&page=1And more on Harriet Anne Pierce here. minerahistory.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=neighbour&thread=721&page=1Looks like your Gt grandafther John was Harriet Anne`s brother. 1871 10 Moss Row Gwersyllt RG10; Piece: 5654; Folio: 113; Thomas Pierce head 32 collier b Vale of Clwyd Denbigh Anne wife 34 b Nerquis John son 7 b GwersylltEllen dau 5 b “ Harriet Anne dau 2 b “Harriet Ann Pierce married John Evan Harrison. 1891 August 3 Wrexham St Giles marriage John Evan Harrison 22 ba Collier.Pentre Broughton, father Thomas Harrison blacksmith Harriet Ann Pierce 22 sp Pentre Broughton father Thomas Pierce collier John Evan made his mark. Harriet Ann signed Witnesses Edward Pierce, Ellen Pierce. John Hughes married their daughter Ellinor Ann ( Nellie) Harrison on the 4th June 1914. They had two sons John William Hughes (Jack) who married Gwyneth Mary Rogers Robert Thomas Hughes (Bob) married Gwenfron Rogers. Descendants of these Hughes families are living in Gwersyllt area. John Hughes had a brother Price - he was my Taid.
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Post by peterej on Aug 25, 2010 21:08:10 GMT
Hi Pierce
Thanks for the additional info. I have not had the chance to visit since I last posted and will try later this year. My family were all Jones's and lived in various addresses in the local area up untill the 1950's. They were John James Jones and Susannah just in case you came across them- long shot I know. Actually a very distant relative who I met just the once died at the end of July still in the area. He was Glyn Eyton Jones.
Peter
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Post by pierce on Aug 25, 2010 21:56:37 GMT
Hi Annedw, Thanks for that confirms what I know and what my mum remembers. Yes John was Harriet's brother. The witnesses at her wedding, Ellen was her sister and Edward was I believe her uncle, ( who at that time would have been around 65 years of age) Thomas's elder brother. Thomas being born around 1840 in Denbigh, his parents being William Pierce occupation in 1841 being a Skinner, Wife Anne, 6 children including Thomas, were Edward the eldest occupation given as Skinner, Esther aged 5, Jane 10, John aged 8 and Thomas aged 9 months. The address was Tanners Well, Denbigh. John Pierce died 30th April 1923 and his wife Elizabeth died 11th December 1914. Both are buried as is Oswald and his eldest son Denis in St Paul's Church Yard Pentre Broughton. Oswald had 3 sisters Elizabeth Anne who never married, Maryory Doris who married name was Howells and went to live in Clayton Road, Winifred known as Aunt Agie who never married and a brother Thomas. The family address in 1901 was 16 Top Boat House, where Oswald continued to live after the death of his father, and became the matrimonial home on his marriage 4th August 1918, until his death in 1934.
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Post by pierce on Aug 21, 2012 22:02:13 GMT
Annedw : I think I may have found a common family relative : Sergeant Reginald Pierce 345596 Royal Welsh Fusiliers (24th Denbighshire Yeomanry Bn.) 10 Nov 1918 33 Son of Mr & Mrs E J Pierce, of 2, Bennett's Road, Moss. I think his father was Edward. The uncle of Harriet and Ellen. Or am I on the wrong track
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Post by annedw on Aug 23, 2012 8:21:06 GMT
I think you are right, but they are not really my direct line, but more or less in laws. Interesting though Harriet Ann Pierce married John Evan Harrison. 1891 August 3 Wrexham St Giles marriage John Evan Harrison 22 ba Collier.Pentre Broughton, father Thomas Harrison blacksmith Harriet Ann Pierce 22 sp Pentre Broughton father Thomas Pierce collier John Evan made his mark. Harriet Ann signed Witnesses Edward Pierce, Ellen Pierce.
John Hughes married their daughter Ellinor Ann ( Nellie) Harrison on the 4th June 1914. They had two sons John William Hughes (Jack) who married Gwyneth Mary Rogers Robert Thomas Hughes (Bob) married Gwenfron Rogers. Descendants of these Hughes families are living in Gwersyllt area. John Hughes had a brother Price - he was my Taid.
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Post by piercepierce on Jan 10, 2014 0:42:00 GMT
Annedw, Just been revisiting he thread and note you comments on playing on the slang heaps. did we by any chance play in this area at the same time.
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2014 22:30:20 GMT
No idea, depends on where you lived and what years it would be ?
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Post by piercepierce on Jan 18, 2014 0:55:52 GMT
Number 9 Pendwll, between around 1955 to 1965
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Post by annedw on Jan 21, 2014 18:56:52 GMT
very doubtful, but I would have walked that way from Gwersyllt to Brynteg Milk bar about 61/64.
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Post by piercepierce on Jan 29, 2014 22:44:47 GMT
annedw, Well it islikely we may have passed each other at some point.
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