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Post by leswoodbridge on Aug 20, 2010 11:25:24 GMT
Hi, I am researching my family history and covering this family thread for a second time as I failed on my first attempt. I think the name might be the problem. My great grandfather was John Jones born Mold. His second marriage was to Elizabeth Griffiths formerly Belton, who had also been married before to a William Griffiths, she had two children in this marriage, William Owen and Ehel. John then married Elizabeth and built Nant View for his family, they had five children together John Edward, Thomas Lloyd(my grandfather) Dilys, Myfanwy and Lois. I know quite a lot about this part of the family. I am now trying to gain information on their first marriages. Any help would be welcome.
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Post by tominera on Aug 20, 2010 18:47:17 GMT
Hi-I have Wes.bapt for the following but will just put dob for now William Owen Griffiths b. 3 11 1885 John Edward Jones b. 28 9 1893 Thomas Lloyd Jones b. 24 6 1897 Dilys Elizabeth Jones b 23 1 1904 Myfanwy Jones b. 29 11 1900 Lois Jones b. 6 2 1907---No sign of Ethel sorry- Marriage of John Jones to Elizabeth Griffiths 8 10 1892 in Jerusalem Chapel Wrexham. Good Luck Tom
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Post by tominera on Aug 20, 2010 19:05:24 GMT
Some Wesleyan Marriages which you may or may not have John Edward Jones to Agnes Griffiths 23 3 1932 Jerusalem Chapel Wrexham Thomas Lloyd Jones to Jane Ellen Lloyd 7 3 1923 Jerusalem Chapel, Wrexham Dilys Elizabeth Jones to Henry Jones 9 9 1939 Bethesda Chapel, Bwlchgwyn Myfanwy Jones to Edward Martin Battson 1 8 1927 Jerusalem Chapel, Wrexham Lois Jones to Burslem Jones 21 12 1935 Bethesda Chapel, Bwlchgwyn Hope this helps--Tom
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Post by tominera on Aug 20, 2010 19:16:05 GMT
William Griffiths, Ty Mawr, died 2 7 1891 aged 32 yrs buried in Bethesda Chapel graveyard, Bwlchgwyn.
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Post by hilary on Aug 20, 2010 22:53:34 GMT
HI Lesley! I'm glad that you made it on to the boards, this is the place to find your missing information. I'm glad that we've confirmed the link to my tree as well. Good luck! Hilary
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Post by leswoodbridge on Aug 21, 2010 9:43:45 GMT
Thank you all for the information, I didn't have any of the marriages or baptisms, except my grandfathers.
I'm now looking for a Harriet Ann, she was named as a child on John Jones will, but there seems to be no sign of her anywhere.
I am wondering if she was by his first marriage a sister to Robert born around 1879.
If I have the right census for John and Eleanor, they were both born in Flint, so maybe I should be looking here for a marriage.
Harriet Ann Jones born 1876 was born in Bwlchgwyn. I wondered if there was any trace of her baptism.
Another thought Elizabeth and William lived in Ty Mawr, later that was the address given for John and Elizabeth. Is this a district or did they live in the same house?
Thnakyou.
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Post by tominera on Aug 21, 2010 17:30:46 GMT
Hi I believe Ty Mawr was the name of their house as it features quite often in this family and then Nant View seems to take its place. You seem to have moved the goalposts Where did John & Eleanor come from ? I think You will need to put which census reports you are referring to on here and more dates for members to be able to help you. Tom
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Post by leswoodbridge on Aug 21, 2010 18:00:53 GMT
I'm sorry, I do tend to leap about, I get very excited and lose my train of thought. An age thing I think. Right, Nant View I know was built by John Jones for Elizabeth, she ran a grocers shop from there. I just wondered about Ty Mawr because William Griffiths lived there and then John Jones. Wasn't sure whether it was a district or a house. Eleanor I think could have been Johns first wife. They appear in the 1881 census, with children Harriet Ann, Robert which are known to be my John Jones' children and three others Hannah, Sarah Alice and Mary Ellen, who appear in Bethesda cemetery. All died as children. I would like to try and get a baptism for Harriet Ann who was registered as 5 years old in 1881. Also some dates for the other children in the cemetery, I have looked on he BMD and there is only one Sarah Alice listed died March 1882. Sorry for my untidy thinking.
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Post by tominera on Aug 21, 2010 19:59:45 GMT
Hi, The only possibility I found was Mary Ellin born 1883 bapt Wes. Circuit-Rehoboth Coedpoeth. Parents John & Eleanor Jones, Smelt, Coedpoeth.---Good Luck Tom
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Post by leswoodbridge on Aug 21, 2010 21:00:53 GMT
Thanks for trying,
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Post by leswoodbridge on Aug 22, 2010 16:46:43 GMT
Does anybody know where Ty Mawr is in Bwlchgwyn? I would like to have a photograph for my Family Homes folder.
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Post by tominera on Aug 22, 2010 19:28:29 GMT
Hi, I have not heard of Ty Mawr in Bwlchgwyn but that does not mean it does not exist---I have checked complete enumerators list 1911 Census for Bwlchgwyn and it is not on it It may be on it under a different name or even a number of a road. Sorry not much help Tom
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Post by hilary on Aug 22, 2010 21:00:38 GMT
I've been looking at the 1879 maps and it's not on there. But I remember a reference to Flint, and it's possible that they were on the Four Crosses / Rhydtalog Road, on the Flintshire side. As far as I know, none of the buildings by the road were called Ty Mawr, but maybe further afield.
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Post by tominera on Aug 23, 2010 17:09:03 GMT
Hi, Have found John and Elizabeth Jones living in 20 Wesley Rd. Bwlchgwyn with their children in the 1901 Census and as two of their children who were baptized in 1900 & 1904 repectfully and gave their address as Ty Mawr, Bwlchgwyn I would suggest that they actually lived in 20 Wesley Rd. (probably Ty Mawr) until they moved to Nant View. I realise this is not an absolute fact, but may resolve the riddle of where Ty Mawr was or is whatever --Tom
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Post by leswoodbridge on Sept 4, 2010 20:08:18 GMT
Hi, Sorry I haven't been on here recently. Thankyou for your help. So do you think that 20 Wesley Rd. was actually called Ty Mawr? Elizabeths first husband who is buried at Bethesda was registered as from Ty Mawr. Do you think I should suppose that he lived there with Elizabeth before she was married to John?
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Post by tominera on Sept 5, 2010 17:16:55 GMT
Hi, I can only refer you to the reasons given earlier for suggesting Ty Mawr was actually 20 Wesley Rd. but I think it was. As for William Griffiths living there in 1891 when he died, I would be pretty certain of this as I found a very brief obituary which when translated reads------- William Griffiths of Ty Mawr, Bwlchgwyn died 2 7 1891 aged 32 years and was buried in Bethesda Chapel Cemetery 6 7 1891.-----Tom
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Post by leswoodbridge on Sept 8, 2010 19:09:43 GMT
Thankyou for your time.
Do you know if 29 Wesley Rd stil exists? As I am not local I haven't had chance to visit, but I did google map it and I couldn't find it, it seems to stop at 14, and they all looked like new houses.
Another house I tried to find and couldn't was 26 Ruthun Road, another of my relatives lived there in 1915.
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