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Post by gwil on Sept 23, 2011 14:28:16 GMT
Seeing the name Sylvanus Edwards in a recent thread niggled me for a bit until I remembered. Not the same Sylvanus I don't think but of possible interest to someone.
About 10 years ago, whilst browsing in a 2nd hand shop in Prestatyn, on impulse I bought a 'family bible'** which has full details hand written in beautiful copperplate writing summarised thus:
Evan & Charlotte Edwards married Queen Street Congregational Chapel, Wrexham 8th May 1868 by Rev Sam Evans, Llandegla. Children: Emily 23/3/1870 John 18/2/1872 Evan 24/12/1875 Harriet Elizabeth 17/9/1877 Seth 22/4/1880 Eunice 21/9/1882 Silvanus 30/12/1884
My family history research capabilities had barely begun at that time and so I contacted Local Studies, Wrexham Library and a kind lady named Joy Thomas emailed back with the 1881 Census details for the family at Eistedd Fod, Miners and suggesting I post on local mailing lists. I posted on Clwyd but no one responded claiming the family then.
Charlotte together with Evan, Seth and Eunice are still at Eisteddfod in the 1901. I haven't full access to 1911 (until Anstry pull their finger out grrrr)
So, I have the Bible if someone has the family!!
Gwil
**Welsh Bible called 'Y BIBL CYSSEGRLAN' printed in 1878 and produced by 'Parch Thomas Rees DD' It's about 5 inches thick,12 inches in length and 9 inches wide.
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Post by tominera on Sept 23, 2011 18:39:52 GMT
Hi, Just putting where the family were in 1911 which may help find some descendants. Brynmadoc, Plasgwyn Mountain, Minera EDWARDS Charlotte age 64yrs Widow EDWARDS Seth age 30yrs Single---Coal Merchant EDWARDS Eunice age 28yrs Single EDWARDS Sylvanus age 26yrs Single---Shopkeeper(Retail Grocer) WILLIAMS John age 29yrs Boarder---Assistant Schoolmaster.
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Post by tominera on Sept 23, 2011 18:55:59 GMT
Hope this helps complete the picture so to speak--- Coedpoeth Cemetery Attachments:
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Post by eluned on Sept 25, 2011 17:27:49 GMT
How I wish someone would find by Gt Grandfather Griffith Evans' bible, I live in hope
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Post by eluned on Sept 25, 2011 18:20:18 GMT
Seth No marriage registered in Wrexham between 1911-1918. Sylvanus Marriage Wrexham to Dilys Ellis Mar 1/4 1929 Minera, St Mary. Being a shopkeeper may help people remember him or his family Eunice Marriage Civil Wrexham Dec 1/4 1920 to John Williams/George Quick. Harriet E Marriage Civil Wrexham Sep 1/4 1910 to Robert J Davies/Robert Ellis
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Post by tominera on Sept 25, 2011 20:39:39 GMT
Sylvanus Edwards Who married in 1928 was aged 31 and his daughter still lives in Minera but I am pretty confident this is the wrong one-- ::)Tom
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Post by eluned on Sept 25, 2011 22:06:34 GMT
That's a shame Tom...it's an unusual name though, could this Sylvanus be Sylvanus Junior?
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Post by eluned on Sept 26, 2011 16:14:30 GMT
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Post by annedw on Sept 26, 2011 17:04:47 GMT
The headstone top name must be Evan, Evan b c 1876 John b c 1872 Seth b c 1880 Sylvanus b c 1885 I wonder if they are actually all buried in the one grave , or are they just `in memory of` .
Perhaps they may all have not married, why would they all be named on the one grave. Where is the grave ? Perhaps an obituary may help , if there was one.
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Post by tominera on Sept 26, 2011 17:51:55 GMT
Hi, All four were buried in this grave No 463 in Coedpoeth Cemetery-- EDWARDS Evan 30 yrs d.31 3 1906 bur. 4 4 1906 EDWARDS Seth 38 yrs d.20 11 1918 bur. 25 11 1918 EDWARDS John 54 yrs d.3 4 1926 bur. 8 4 1926 EDWARDS Sylvanus 65 yrs d.20 2 1950 bur. 24 2 1950 and it is LW Img No 8106.---No one else in this grave The other Sylvanus Edwards on the different thread lived in the Gladstone Arms and did marry Dilys Ellis in Minera after which he lived in the Shepherds Bush, Minera and had four children-he died 1975 EDWARDS Harriet Elizabeth marr. Robert Ellis in Jerusalem Chapel, Wrexham 24 9 1910 Just to clarify ----Sylvanus was still living at the original address--Bryn Madoc, Gwynfryn in 1949--Tom
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Post by eluned on Sept 26, 2011 19:13:23 GMT
Death reg Wrexham Charlotte Edwards 78yrs Mar 1/4 1925 Have you got a burial for the mother Tom? Her obituary may tell us her daughters married names.
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Post by tominera on Sept 26, 2011 19:41:33 GMT
Hi, I cannot find her burial in Minera, Coedpoeth, Bwlchgwyn or Southsea but I am sure she will be around somewhere Sorry Tom
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Post by annedw on Sept 28, 2011 7:18:33 GMT
I have found a `Valerie` on Genesrunited, who has Seth, Emily, Evan, John correct dob Minera / Bersham, and have just asked her if this is the same family. There is also a Gwilym who has the same names. Sylvanus, Harriet and Eunice are not listed Watch this space. NW BMD EDWARDS Evan Wrexham, Civil Marriage Wrexham WM/012/100 Possible spouses: JONES Charlotte WM/012/100 HUGHES Caroline WM/012/100 HUGHES Hugh WM/012/100 Oddly, UK BMD doesn`t give this match.
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Post by annedw on Sept 28, 2011 7:52:10 GMT
In 1901 Sylvanus is a boarder with James Parry who has a Grocers Shop at 5 Brymbo Road, Bwlchgwyn. His son Thomas Jaques Parry and Sylvanus are both working for him.
1891 he is with the rest of the children except Emily, Charlotte is a widow, 44 b Llandegla. They are at Eisteddfod and all only speak Welsh
1881 . Evan age 36 is a lead miner b Llandegla, living at Eistedfodd. This may be his death. Deaths Dec 1887 Edwards Evan 43 Wrexham 11b 209
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Post by tominera on Sept 28, 2011 18:39:50 GMT
Hi Annette, This looks very promising especially as Valerie also has an Evan Edwards b abt 1844 in Tyn y Mynydd, Bod Idris, Llanarmon which in my book is virtually Llandegla---Charlotte Jones b abt 1847 did not turn up but who knows --I will be watching this space Tom-- PS I now feel they may be buried in Llandegla
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Post by gwiljames on Oct 5, 2011 17:46:17 GMT
Hi, I'm another Gwil a relative of Evan Edwards(distant). I think the Valerie you mention got the Edwards info from my tree on genes reunited. Evan was one of three brothers the sons of the first Sylvanus, b in about 1800. Sylvanus from the Plough Llandegla married Elizabeth Evans from Dafarn y Garth, Llandegla in 1847. Sylvanus lived a long life and the name was kept in the family for a number of generations. My father often stayed at the Gladstone Arms in the 1930s. gwiljames
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Post by annedw on Oct 6, 2011 7:27:48 GMT
minerahistory.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1261This thread mentiones the family at Gladstone Arms. Reply #9 The other Sylvanus Edwards on the different thread lived in the Gladstone Arms and did marry Dilys Ellis in Minera after which he lived in the Shepherds Bush, Minera and had four children-he died 1975 Reply #15 My father often stayed at the Gladstone Arms in the 1930s. gwiljamesI`m confused but if the name was passed down in the family, that would explain why there was more than one . HO107; Piece: 2504; Folio: 35; Page: 7 1851 Tynymynydd, Bodidris. Silvanus Edwards 49 farmer b Llandegla Elizabeth Edwards 38 b Llanarmon Robert Edwards 13 b " Thomas Edwards 10 b " Evan Edwards 7 b “
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Post by gwiljames on Oct 6, 2011 13:45:14 GMT
Hi Annette, Sorry about any confusion. In the 1851 c. Sylvanus and Elizabeth lived with their sons Evan, Robert and Thomas at Tyn y Mynydd which I believe is on the hill just past the fisheries, on the way to Llandegla. This was then in the parish of Bodidris. The sons became farmers of smallholdings in the area before moving into leadmining and limestone working at Minera. The son of Robert Edwards, David b 1860 was at the Gladstone Arms Gwynfryn in 1901. There is a pic of two descendants (one a Silvanus in the Minera Church choir in 1931). A relative has sent me pics of other members of the family. Gwiljames.
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Post by tominera on Oct 6, 2011 17:36:14 GMT
Hi, It seems Eunice married John Williams(probably the schoolmaster who was boarding with the family in 1911 census) in Dec Q 1920 as suggested by Lynn previously. They are buried in plot 1597 in Coedpoeth---John aged 66 yrs died 3 July 1948 and Eunice aged 69 yrs died 14 February 1952. The address on H/S tablet is Bryn Madog.
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Post by gwil on Oct 12, 2011 15:25:23 GMT
Glad to see that my post has generated some local interest. I have no family connection to the Bible in question and,as I say in my OP, I bought it on impulse as it seemed a waste it was languishing in a 2nd hand shop. If anyone wants to claim it then get in touch by PM. I come to Wrexham area around once a week.
Gwil
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Post by gwiljames on Oct 13, 2011 13:12:29 GMT
Hi Gwil, There is direct relative, Councillor Tom Edwards who lives in Gwynfryn who may be the most deserving of your kind offer to donate your Bible to a relative. As far as I know he has always lived in the area and has an interest in his family history. I can't see his tel no. in the book though. Regards, Gwiljames
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Post by tominera on Oct 13, 2011 16:38:24 GMT
Hi, I believe you are partially correct re the Edwards family but it is John Edwards who is the local councillor and his father was Tom--known locally when he was alive as "Twm Gladstone" which sums it up in a nutshell so to speak.---Have sent you a PM with his phone number on. Before this is laid to rest, would it be possible for you to scan the entry and put it on this thread, as I am sure lots of us would love to see a bit of Minera Family History-Regards Tom
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Post by gwiljames on Oct 13, 2011 17:17:36 GMT
Hi Tom, Excuse my ignorance, but where do I get to your PM? I would be able to scan the family tree info and then share with other members. Would you like a copy of the Wedding Cert. of the 1st Sylvanus Edwards from 1847? Gwiljames
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Post by tominera on Oct 13, 2011 19:18:10 GMT
Hi, At the very top of This site home page to the right of "Ancestry Board" in Green----It has Messages etc which you will need to click on the appropriate one etc--good luck-Tom
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Post by hilary on Nov 16, 2011 9:46:30 GMT
My mother remembered Sylvanus Edwards. She didn't like him, either! She lived at Brynmadog Road, Gwynfryn, for a while, and used to go to Sylvanus Edwards' shop. He told her that the snow had been so bad, one year, that the villages had tunnelled through it at one place.
PS Just remembered that Sylvanus Edwards was a very religious man and used to enjoy airing his views to his customers.
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Post by eluned on Jan 14, 2012 10:58:08 GMT
Hi jpoole as expressed an interest in the bible as she is a descendant. I have asked her to send Gwil a PM.
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Post by heulwenann on Mar 21, 2013 23:08:32 GMT
I wonder if John 18/2/1872 is my great grandfather - this one ticks all the boxes but why was he buried here and not wherever my great grandmother Kate was buried in 1900? In those days, with women and children dying young, remarriages and adoptions, it's really difficult to find anything concrete unless the archives are on your doorstep, which they aren't in my case . Would it be possible for the information from the Bible to be scanned and shared on this page?
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