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Post by lorna on Oct 10, 2012 9:53:54 GMT
I am trying to find out any information I can about a cottage called Tyn-y-celyn (sp?) which my mother lived in from 1957. I know it isn't there anymore as it was condemmed by the Council for not having running water or drains, but I understand the gatepost bearing its name may still be there. I understand my grandmother bought the cottage from lady from the Roberts family and I can find references to them on this site.
I have been given the following description.... There was a large sign with Woodbines on the corner and a bend towards the river. Follow the lane towards the houses on either side, but don't go down that way. Follow lane around to left, past a large farmhouse.
Can anyone tell me anymore details or point out exactly where on a map the cottage stood?
My email address is lorna.pursglove@me.com
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Post by kelly on Oct 28, 2012 18:20:29 GMT
Hi i can remember my late father talking about " tyn Celyn". He and his brother new Arthur Tyn Celyn in 1930/40 era. I can remember walking through the ruin as a child in the 70s. I do not believe much of the ruin remains today. it lies close to the river gwenfro just off minera path 28. The property nearest you refer to in your post is cae crwn on gwern a gaseg road . Turn right off a525 at five x's pub follow road round left hand bend the track is on right thru field just after cae crwn.
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Post by kelly on Oct 30, 2012 13:00:05 GMT
further post another property in minera called tyr y celyn close to new brighton occupied by a Roberts in 1945 ( shown on electoral role ). Is there a chance its this one not the other ??
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Post by lb on Nov 5, 2012 17:11:59 GMT
Hi, There were indeed two houses called "Tir y Celyn" (often shortened to Tyn Celyn) in Minera. Alfred Palmer talks about them very briefly in the Minera section of the History of the 13 Country Townships of Wrexham. One he describes as "near the Wern" (presumably the one close to New Brighton) and says that it was owned by a George Hastings, esq, in the 1840s. Another was "near the Twenty Houses" and was once part of the Ty Brith estate, but later seems to have been one of the properties owned by the Burton family of Minera Hall. A Ms Jane Burton is recorded as living there in the 1840s. I see that the Chester Archives have a copy will of a Richard Ledsham of Chester, which passes his "messuages and lands in Minera" to his nephew George Hastings. This might include the Wern Tir y Celyn, perhaps. Incidentally, the Wern Tir y Celyn seems to be on the Coflein website www.coflein.gov.uk/en/site/269150/details/TIR+Y+CELYN%2C+RUIN/(Incidentally just to confuse matters there was once a "Ty yn y Celyn" in Brymbo, which I believe was in the vicinity of Pentresaeson - it occurs in the rate books of the 17th and 18th centuries, but seems to disappear by the early 19th century).
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Post by tominera on Nov 6, 2012 20:02:57 GMT
Hi, We may have missed an important clue here regarding the Woodbine sign. I can vouch for the fact there was a large enamel sign as described on a building behind the Five Crosses Pub--I think it was the garage as the Owens family had lorries and also owned a smithy in this spot. This would make Kelly's information spot on as regards location, directions etc.--Tom
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Post by annedw on Nov 7, 2012 10:32:25 GMT
From my notes about the Machine House, which is down the road from the Five Crosses and here. A pic posted by Tom is on the message board home page, and has Twenty Houses with a Woodbine sign. I`ve noticed Lorna who posted the question hasn`t been back since www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.060105&lon=-3.075709&z=17.8&r=0&src=msl" MACHINE HOUSE The Machine House is shown on the 1845 tithe map of Minera, and is on land owned by John Burton Esquire, it is recognized as plot 292, described as a `house and garden` and is occupied by Joseph Chaloner, who is also the occupier of Tyr Celyn, which is also described as a house and garden."
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Post by tominera on Nov 7, 2012 15:29:00 GMT
Hi Annette, The pic on the home page( with Signs)is in fact Victoria Terrace and the sign is outside Victoria Stores whereas the sign relevant to this enquiry was up on the side of an old wooden/corrugated building behind the Five Crosse Inn if my memory serves me correct. I appreciate the other pic is Twenty Houses with the pub we are referring to on the far end Tom
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Post by annedw on Nov 7, 2012 16:28:19 GMT
OK, I guess all the shops had Woodbine signs back then and you know the area better than me
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Post by kelly on Nov 10, 2012 19:37:08 GMT
The woodbine sign was very large hung on one of Stan Owen's old garages which was part of the 5 x,s. It was about 6 ft. x 3 ft. and for some reason hung upside down . The buildings long gone and the first flats of Eric Roberts builders development now stand there.
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Post by lorna on Nov 23, 2012 23:27:54 GMT
Thank you for all the information. I think we managed to track down where the cottage was. We brought my mum for a visit. We also found out that the land was sold last year which really rather answered the other question I had about whether my mum owned the land. supadu.com/images/ckfinder/77/pdfs/Auctions/chester-archive-auctions3.pdfMy mum has very happy memories of Tyn y celyn in what was otherwise a very sad childhood so I'm really pleased we were about to track it down. Thank you again. Lorna
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