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Post by annedw on Oct 29, 2006 14:43:12 GMT
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Post by shedevil on Oct 29, 2006 18:51:54 GMT
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Post by annedw on Oct 30, 2006 12:15:31 GMT
I`m no relation of Isaac, but I am honestly related to Henry Wilcoxon. Joseph Wilcoxon of Coedpoeth was the grandson , ( by an illegitimate birth ) of Thomas Wilcoxon of Cornish Hall, Holt. Thomas had a brother - Arthur , who went to London, and made a fortune in Wallpapers, furniture and looking glass. Henry, who was christened Harry Frederick is a direct descendant.of Arthur Henry had an slightly older brother , Robert Owen, and I am contact with his daughter who lives in Spain. My claim to fame, I think from the relationship calculater thingy we are 4 th cousins twice removed. cgi.ebay.co.uk/Real-Photo-of-Film-Cinema-Star-HENRY-WILCOXON-c1930_W0QQitemZ6262535427QQihZ010QQcategoryZ14890QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
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Post by shedevil on Oct 30, 2006 16:32:13 GMT
I`m no relation of Isaac, but I am honestly related to Henry Wilcoxon. Joseph Wilcoxon of Coedpoeth was the grandson , ( by an illegitimate birth ) of Thomas Wilcoxon of Cornish Hall, Holt. Thomas had a brother - Arthur , who went to London, and made a fortune in Wallpapers, furniture and looking glass. Henry, who was christened Harry Frederick is a direct descendant.of Arthur Henry had an slightly older brother , Robert Owen, and I am contact with his daughter who lives in Spain. My claim to fame, I think from the relationship calculater thingy we are 4 th cousins twice removed. cgi.ebay.co.uk/Real-Photo-of-Film-Cinema-Star-HENRY-WILCOXON-c1930_W0QQitemZ6262535427QQihZ010QQcategoryZ14890QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItemand for those of you who are saying who the hell is Henry Wilcoxon try the following link www.imdb.com/name/nm0928295/ Nice one Annette, Did i tell you Im related to Royalty you can call me ma'am only kidding but was worth a try ;D he he he (in theory it's true something to do with the Owens decending from Owain Glyndwr) Tracey
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Post by llosgi calch on Oct 30, 2006 22:00:25 GMT
Just where is this thread going'?' ;D Its like reading a thread from ancestry.com! ;D Dont the Osmonds claim to come from ol' Owain as well'?' So Tracey could be a cousin to Donny & little Jimmy'?' Dont let this site lose what little credibility it has! ;D ;D
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Post by llosgi calch on Oct 31, 2006 12:57:15 GMT
( Apologies to any Osmond fans amongst us! )
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Post by hotwood on Nov 1, 2006 11:03:20 GMT
This in reply to shedevils thread about the Bible for sale on ebay. I have an Isaac Williams on my tree. He was my fathers maternal Grandfather and so I was interested to find out if it was my great grandfathers. In the 1880's he lived in Railway Cottages, Minera. As far as I know he worked in Minera Hall on the farm as a bailiff. I have contacted the seller and there doesn't appear to be any more information about the Isaac Williams who owned the Bible but it does have a few of the front pages missing. A pity really because most families would write information in their bible.
I have put a bid in anyway, you never know it may be part of my family history.
Without this site my research has been very fruitful
Many thanks
Marion
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Post by annedw on Nov 1, 2006 16:00:41 GMT
Well it seems this `silly ` thread has come up with something useful after all. ;D If you do win this bible , I suppose that one way to see if it could be your Isaac is to check the original parish registers for the signature of Isaac on marriage entries. The handwriting could be the same.
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Post by llosgi calch on Nov 1, 2006 17:53:46 GMT
It would be one amazing find if this was indeed the family bible - good luck! What we would all give for such a find...
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Post by shedevil on Nov 1, 2006 19:06:17 GMT
"Ahh i love it when a plan comes together" ;D (quote from the A Team) It would be lovely if this bible does belong to one of Marion's ancestors and I myself would be very interested in what it may turn up. I also have the address of a quite local bookbinder who repairs these bibles and can add new leaves if required. let me know If you think it would be of interest to post his details on here. watch this space you never know Annette and I may turn up some other useful items for sale he he he Tracey
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Post by llosgi calch on Nov 1, 2006 19:10:35 GMT
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Post by shedevil on Nov 1, 2006 19:27:28 GMT
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Post by shedevil on Nov 3, 2006 23:26:53 GMT
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Post by annedw on Nov 6, 2006 21:08:48 GMT
Well - it seems Marion has won the auction for the Bible. Fingers crossed that it is what she is hoping for.
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Post by hotwood on Nov 8, 2006 22:07:44 GMT
Yes I did win the bid for the bible.
Not yet arrived , I have however found out that not only was my great granfather named Isaac Williams my g grandfather had the same name (typical). Will let you know if I find anything comes up.
Small world how did you know that I won the Bid. LOL
Silly question i know. Where will i find the original parish register?
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Post by annedw on Nov 9, 2006 11:58:20 GMT
The link for Ebay was still on this thread. Microfilms for the Parish Registers are at Ruthin and Hawarden Records Offices, but they also have them in Wrexham Museum , but only the local ones. If you are too far away, I might be able to look at Minera for you, if you have a marriage date or a rough idea. I don`t mind helping out , I am only two miles away.
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Post by hotwood on Nov 12, 2006 8:47:50 GMT
Many thanks for your offer, it would be cheeky of me to expect someone else to do my research. I do live in the town, the only thing is I work from home and my waking days are spent at the computer never get chance to go into town or anywhere else if it comes to that. The next time my husband goes off to meetings for the day, I will have to sneak off and so a little research, could be months down the line though.
I do know that my great G/father Isaac Williams married Lizzie Lee in the 1890's they both lived in Minera. Her family lived in Victoria Terrace.(1891). I am told that Lizzie and Isaac both worked at he hall. Lizzie and her sister married 2 brothers.
Isaac and Lizzie moved to Talwrn Road, Fanny and Thomas John (?) lived in Assembly Road.
Just hope I am going down the correct line. if not there is someone in the Coedpoeth/ Minera area that is missing out on the formation I have.
If anyone would like to see the bible I can arrange one evening to bring it where ever. The colors on the illustrations are still vivid 126 years down the line and there is far more information in the centre of the bible about the than first thought when I purchased it.
Marion
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Post by annedw on Nov 12, 2006 11:00:25 GMT
From North Wales Free BMD
Isaac Williams married Lizzie Lee 1892 at St Giles Church , Wrexham,
Should make your search a bit easier. ;D
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Post by hotwood on Nov 12, 2006 20:22:49 GMT
Many thanks that will definitely get the ball rolling.
Found another peace of history inside the bible . This time an acknowledgement from a funeral directors. Early 1900
Marion
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Post by hotwood on Nov 19, 2006 21:25:53 GMT
It would be one amazing find if this was indeed the family bible - good luck! What we would all give for such a find... Have been very lucky with the bible. Isaac and Annie Williams 1880 (Bethal Chapel, Minera) anyone know where this is? Who I think are the parents of my great grandfather Isaac Williams. Born 11860 approx. Have found many names in the centre of the bible, together with birth dates, marriages and deaths. This was all an added bonus, as the Book seller said there was only the name of Isaac Williams in the front. Also found stuck inside was a cutting of an obituary of one Wynne Willliams , of Llangollen who had married Isaac and Annie's Grandaughter Annie Pritchard, daughter of Jemimah Williams married to a John Pritchard. All these names definitely link with a list that shedevil posted on another thread relating to my Lee family, Victoria Terrace, who lived there in 1891 There is only one name missing that will give me the 100% link to my family. This is a Thomas Williams who was supposed to be a brother of Isaac. But he is not listed in the bible. and he is only 1 year younger than Isaac Junior. If there are other people with the surname Williams looking for a relative. Just drop a note to the thread and I will let you know if they link to the family I have listed in the bible. Regards Marion
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Post by shedevil on Nov 20, 2006 4:08:34 GMT
This is great news Marion ;D If this is your Isaac I can have a look possibly towards the end of the week and see if i can link the names to your tree. All you will need really is one certificate that will confirm the names and relationships and at the cost of £7 to do so in my opinion would be worthwhile. For something at the time that seemed a silly idea to post items from ebay, has in effect turned out to be a great chance of luck after all Tracey
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Post by llosgi calch on Nov 20, 2006 8:15:37 GMT
For something at the time that seemed a silly idea to post items from ebay, has in effect turned out to be a great chance of luck after all... It was a great idea to post such items as this on the mb from ebay. It was the post on being related to Owain and I disagreeumption that you may be a cousin to the Osmonds that I found amusing.
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Post by shedevil on Nov 20, 2006 19:06:16 GMT
Apologies for the confusion lol but again a great find ;D
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Post by annedw on Nov 21, 2006 18:07:19 GMT
Bethel Chapel is a nonconformist church and so the registers might be hard to find. Bethel was a Calvanistic Methodist Chapel. I `m not sure where it was and if it is still there. I think it was in the Smelt area of Coedpoeth. Another Bethel in Bwlchgwyn. Unfortunately for all us from Coedpoeth there were 16 nonconformist chapels in Coedpoeth alone. Which means no easy way of finding BMD`s
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Post by llosgi calch on Nov 21, 2006 18:59:41 GMT
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Post by shedevil on Nov 23, 2006 3:12:39 GMT
Yes Hotwood, Bethel Chapel was in Minera, not Coedpoeth. It may be of interest that my Grandmoher always used to refer to her family as coming from a place called Coedpoeth, Which I later found out was actually Minera. Maybe some people actually referred to themselves being from Coedpoeth and not Minera. Just a thought. Tracey
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Post by annedw on Nov 26, 2006 15:40:20 GMT
There is an Isaac Williams recorded in the Wern Chapel Graveyard Register on page 5, the only information is he was of New Brighton. This is only a list of people who owned plots and NOT of who is buried there.
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Post by hotwood on Nov 28, 2006 8:43:11 GMT
There is an Isaac Williams recorded in the Wern Chapel Graveyard Register on page 5, the only information is he was of New Brighton. This is only a list of people who owned plots and NOT of who is buried there. The last area I have of Isaac Williams Senior living was in Tyn Y Celyn,1871. Would this be New Brighton area. I have had a look on old maps and can't find it. Prior to that I believe Isaac and Anne were living in the Llanrhaidr area. Regards.
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Post by annedw on Nov 28, 2006 13:03:56 GMT
Tir Y Celyn is shown on the old-maps site, You need to go to County Gazeteer, then Denbighshire, then you have an A-Z . Choose N. This gives you two New Brightons, the second one is what you need. Zoom in to 1 . This shows Tir Y Celyn as near to Wern Chapel and in the area of what is New Brighton today. You can work your way around the area with the arrows around the map and even get an aeriel picture. Good Eh www.old-maps.co.uk/
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Post by hotwood on Nov 28, 2006 23:32:23 GMT
Can't thank you enough. I obviously miss read the census on tyr y celyn
I have also had some information tonight, of Isaac and Anne before they came Minera to live, the jigsaw is coming together at last.
Many many thanks for all your help ;D
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