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Post by keithy397 on Dec 28, 2007 8:38:31 GMT
Hi,
My Fathers family were all born & bred Coedpoeth people but I know next to nothing about my Grandparents as they had passed away before I was born.
As far as I can establish, the family home was 2 Cemetery Road, which no longer exists. I'm not entirely sure of my Grandparents names but my Fathers name was David Richard Evans and his siblings were Iorwerth, Howell, Mair (Davies), Phyllis (Jones), Aurwen and I believe a couple died from diphtheria. My Auntie Mair was married to Gwyn (who died some time ago) and actually lived in Coedpoeth up until the 1990's. She was a serving sister with the St John's Ambulance Brigade for many, many years.
I have various other snippets of information about my late Uncle's & Aunts but for this first post I'd just like to know if someone could help me glean some information somehow about them.
I have seen my Grandfathers family plot in the cemetery many times but I have not been able to get much more information other than what is visible at the grave.
My Father was born in 1919 and was the second youngest of 7 or 8, I think.
Any help would be much appreciated.
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Post by annedw on Dec 28, 2007 12:16:27 GMT
You really need to get the birth certificate or marriage cert for your father.
Are there names on the grave to give us a clue ??
This is the wrong family, but I`m leaving it here.
In 1901 living at Cemetery Road there is a Mark Evans 60 a widower, born Abergele. He is a stonemason working on his own account ( self employed ? ) Also is a son Henry Chas. Evans single 25 born Bersham, he is a Magisterial clerk , Local.
1891 Mark and Henry are both living at 3 Berwig Cottages. Mark is a widower and is a foreman at Berwig stone quarry, Henry is a scholar.
1881 Coedpoeth . Mark is married to Blanche aged 40 born Llandyrnog They have a daughter Mary Jane aged 12 born Bersham Also there is Henry a scholar.
1871 Ruthin Road, J Wynne`s Mark ,30 stonemason Blanch , 30 wife. Henrietta 6 daug born Liverpool. Theresa 4 " " Minera Mary Jane 1 " "
I can`t find Mark in 1861 but in 1851 there is a choice of two. 1851 Tai Newydd , Abergele, Mark Evans aged 10 b Abergele. Errand boy. He is living with his mother Mary aged 32 who is a pauper. I think it says wid, but am not certain. She was born St George Abednego 8 son, scholar Miriam d 6 Joanne d 1. All children born Abergele.
1851 The other one is Mark Evans aged 11, a servant born Abergele. He is living with Thos Pierce and his son , farmers at Bodtegwell Uchaf. There is also an unmarried servant Anne Evans aged 29 born Bettws. Any relation to Mark ?
1841 Peel ? Lane, Gwrych. All born in county. John Evans 30 ag lab , Mary 25 David 6 Elizabeth 3 Mark 1
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Post by annedw on Jan 10, 2008 16:40:00 GMT
I had a look for a baptism in 1919 for your father. There`s no entry in Coedpeoth St Tudfils Church, in fact there are very few Evans there, and Minera Prs only go up to 1894 in the Wrexham Museum. I suppose Denbs Records office will have later ones, so you could always enquire there, but the best way is the birth certificate. There could be a marriage entry for your parents, if you know the year- as long as it wasn`t a civil marriage or at a chapel. That will give the fathers name - usually.
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Post by sceptrelady on Jan 11, 2008 8:09:05 GMT
Hi Keithy397
There appears to be only one registration for birth of David R Evans in Wrexham registration district in 1919.
The reference for use at the Wrexham Register Office (from North Wales BMD) is WM/162/90
The General Register Office reference for an on line order is:
Quarter 4, 1919, Volume 11b, page 499, mothers maiden name ROBERTS
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Post by keithy397 on Jan 15, 2008 6:15:09 GMT
annedw & sceptrelady,
Thanks for all the info, more than I expected from my first post!
The Mark / Henry Chas. Evans you refer to annedw are not part of my Dad's lot as far as I know (having never heard the names before) but I'm curious about the Abergele connection. Apparently my Grandad had a brother who lived out Prestatyn way and I was told years ago that that part of the family are related to the Dimbleby's of journalistic fame - but that's another story! So, quite possibly my Grandad may have come to Coedpoeth from the coast? The plot thickens!
I live on Anglesey now so I can't pop to the cemetery as I could when I lived on Tudor Street but next time I pop over to see my brother I'll take a pen and take some notes!
Thanks for the detailed info sceptrelady of (hopefully) my Dad's birth. When I come over next time I'll pop in to the Reigister Office.
Thanks again to you both. I'll try to get more info and post back if I'm still struggling.
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Post by sceptrelady on Jan 15, 2008 11:06:38 GMT
You are very welcome Keith I found some more info for you on North Wales BMD - all Wrexham RO reference numbers 1907 - Iorwerth EVANS WM/129/69 1909 - Howel EVANS WM/136/81 or Howell EVANS WM/136/32 1911 - Mair E EVANS WM/143/17 1913 - Phyllis EVANS - either WM/146/5 or WM/147/21 1922 - Aurwen EVANS WM/169/35 Heather
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Post by annedw on Jan 15, 2008 12:13:37 GMT
Hi Keith, if you know when your Dad married, and his wife`s name, there might be a marriage in Coedpoeth to be found. they cover 1895/1975. Were they church or chapel ?? You can order birth certificates online or by phoning the office in Wrexham, which is probably best as they don`t have the time now to issue them if you just go in and ask. I had to wait a couple of days for mine.
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Post by keithy397 on Jan 15, 2008 13:10:58 GMT
Hey Heather!
That's my Dad's bro's & sis's!! Nice one, thanks. I'm pretty sure there was at least two other siblings that died young. I'll check that out when I come over to Coedpoeth and check out my Grandad's plot. Some years ago I knew Maldwyn who looked after the cemetery and he showed me the entry in the catalogue of plots of my Grandad's entry, but I have forgotten just what information was actually in the book. I'll knock the door when I come over!
annedw,
My Dad married during the war whilst he was in the RAF and my Mam the WRAF or WAAF. My Mam was from Enniskillen, Northern Ireland so I've no idea where or when they married but I'll ask my brother and/or cousin. I assume they married in 1942/3 as my big bro was born in 1944.
Thanks again both,
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Post by keithy397 on Feb 7, 2010 14:58:45 GMT
Hello again!
2 years on from my last entry and I have just been furnished with some info regarding my family in Coedpoeth!
I now know my paternal Grandfather was David Evans, b1875 - d1953 age 78. Apparently, he ran coal lorries but I'm not sure if he was a merchant. His wife was Florence Ann (Florrie) who passed away in 1938 aged 55. I think he was 1 of 10 kids, 2 of his siblings being Robert ,who died in 1922 aged about 38 and Jane, who died in 1971 aged 90 - and I can't remember ever having met either. (How frustrating she lived so long and I didn't know). I do remember vaguely from being a really young kid, (Great) Auntie Cridwyn, but I'm not sure how I'm connected to her.
Just as interesting, my Grandfathers Father (phew!) was Evan Evans who died in 1913 aged about 64. His wife Ellen died in 1931 aged 78. Now, both my great grandparents and the afore-mentioned Robert & Jane are buried in a family grave, in Cynwyd, near Corwen! I'm going to take a run out there soon and see what I can find out from there.
So, it looks like the current generations of my family in and around Wrexham are here via the Corwen area.
Thanks for the help you gave previously and if you've got any links or suggestions for me to research a bit further, I'd really appreciate it.
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Post by tominera on Feb 7, 2010 19:43:06 GMT
Just a little snippet which may prompt more info. The records for Davids burial actually give his age as 76 years and he was buried 30 9 1953 in the same grave as his wife Florence Ann who was aged 55 years and buried 5 5 1938 in Plot No 832. The ashes of 2 more members of the family are also in this grave but as they are more recent I will not put details on here. Good Luck Tom
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Post by jojo on Feb 7, 2010 20:56:35 GMT
I found this marriage on freeBMD Dec Q 1905 Wrexham 11b/pge 500 David EVANS Florence Ann ROBERTS
this is likely the correct marriage because the birth entry for Aurwen EVANS in 1922 gives mother maiden name ROBERTS.
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Post by annedw on Feb 8, 2010 12:23:07 GMT
So Keith, it looks like the details I found before are not the right ones, I`ll leave them there in case they are useful for somebody else. Could these be yours. I can`t trace David in 1901. Evan seems to a bit unsure about when he was born. 1881 RG11; Piece: 5538; Folio: 30; Page: 6 2 Mill Rd, Cynwyd Fawr Evan Evans 30 ag lab waggoner b Llanrhaidr Montgomery Ellen Evans 26 wife b Gwydelwern Merionethshire David Evans 3 son b " Jane Evans 8 mth b " 1891 RG12; Piece: 4635; Folio 111; Page 1; Hafoty Muesydd ? Cynwyd Fechan Evan Evans 45 ag lab b Llanrhaidr Mochnant Ellen Evans 38 b Gwyddelwern David Evans 13 b " Jane Evans 10 b " Jeremiah Evans 8 b " Robert Evans 6 b " Thomas Evans 4 b " Mary Evans 2 b Llangar Edward Evans 9 mths b " Jeremiah Lewis widr 70 father in law b Llanfihangel 1901 RG13; Piece: 5247; Folio: 11; Page: 13. Brynteg Square Cynwyd Evan Evans 51 highway lab b Llanrhaiadr Mont Eden ( Ellen ) Evans 48 Mary Evans 12 Edward Evans 10 Josiah Evans 8 William Evans 6 May be Jeremiah 1861 Cynwyd Jeremiah Lewis 40 Limer b Llanihaniel Denbs. ? Margaret wife 43 b Cynwyd Griffith 10 b " Elinor 7 " Possible marriage. Needs to be checked though Marriages Jun 1876 Civil marriage. Evans Evan Corwen 11b 669 Lewis Ellinor Corwen 11b 669
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Post by annedw on Feb 8, 2010 15:18:11 GMT
Florence.
1891 RG12; Piece: 4614; Folio 84; Page 15 Nant Road. Richard Roberts 34 coalminer b Adwy Clawdd Agnes Roberts 29 b " Florence Ann Roberts 8 b Nant Elizabeth Ellen Roberts 7 b " Sally Roberts 6 b " Stephen Roberts 4 b " David Charles Roberts 2 b " Thomas Roberts 6 mths b "
1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 78; Page: 11. 1 Assembly Road. Coedpoeth Richard Roberts 45 coalminer b Adwy Agnes Roberts 42 b Coedpoeth Florence Roberts 18 " Sarah Roberts 15 " Stephen Roberts 13 " David C Roberts 11 " Thomas Roberts 10 " Edwal Roberts 8 " Glawdys Roberts 6 " Purcilla Roberts 4 "
Posssible marriage, looks like you are dealing with Non Conformist families here. Wrexham, Civil Marriage 1881. ROBERTS Richard / Agnes Jones
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Post by tominera on Feb 8, 2010 19:55:54 GMT
Another bit of info which may fill some gaps----Buried in Plot 825 in Coedpoeth Cemetery are ROBERTS Thomas age 29 years 12 2 1921 ROBERTS Agnes age 65 years 24 12 1925 ROBERTS Richard age 74 years 19 3 1928 HTH Tom
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