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Post by annedw on Jan 25, 2008 22:03:57 GMT
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2008 15:45:14 GMT
I have found Thomas Belton at Fron Heulog , a lead miner. Issac Roberts at Fron Heulog Cottage, a stone quarry foreman and Thomas Edwards, a coal miner at Fron Heulog Farm, all on the 1901 census, but have not found a hall. Is it one of these? If not, have I not looked hard enough or was it built later?
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Post by annedw on Jan 26, 2008 17:14:36 GMT
Hi Lynn, Just looked at my `old friend` the old map I have from well before 1900. ( Think it`s the Old Maps one ) It`s there, look where the Bethesda Chapel is/was, heading towards the Five Crosses, or The Moors Inn as it`s stupidly called now , it`s on the LH side of the road, and between that road and the one from the X roads by the Christ Church. Looks like a large place with woods around it. The closest properties are the Bungalow and Tan Y Bwlch. It looks a bit too grand for miners, don`t you think
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Post by hilary on Jan 26, 2008 18:27:59 GMT
Hi Everyone,
Fronheulog hall was a very grand residence, sometimes privately owned by businessmen (although at least one went bust), at one time it was a hotel, much famed for the restorative properties of the clear airand patronised by film stars, at another time it was the Roseneath Girls School. In 1908 it was up for auction as Roseneath on the Hill.
Much as I would love to say that the Beltons lived there, it's only partly true - that's the impression the census gives, but the owners had another home and Thomas Belton's wife was the caretaker (he was a lead miner); there was a cottage in the grounds so they may have lived in the cottage with the same name.
As you look at that photograph, the embankment bottom right was the remains of an ironage fort, there was also a roman fort on the site later. Eventually the quarry at the back of the hall got rather too close and nobody seemed to be successful living there, so it was decided to demolish the hall and quarry it all away for roadstone. What a loss! Mind you, at one time they wanted to quarry away the whole village and make everybody leave their homes - plenty about that on the Collecting the Jewels site.
At the war memorial the height of the village is, I think, nearly 1100 feet, Fronheulog was much higher and towered above the village - quite a site. I have a picture which I can try and find.
The private owners tended to be solicitors and the like, I have the information somewhere. There is a lot of info in the book "lost houses of Wrexham" but beware, one of the details of the owners has become mixed up with the owners of the hall at Nant y Ffrith, so it is not quite 100% correct.
Hilary
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Post by hilary on Jan 26, 2008 18:36:22 GMT
Just a note about its location,
halway between Bwlchgwyn and Gwynfryn on Fron Heulog Hill, it rises to the highest part of what at one time was called Bwlchgwyn Mountain, we also called the The Score - don't know why it was called that, often wondered. On the right hand of the road as you go from Bwlchgwyn to Gwynfryn, it had the most magnificent views across Cheshire and Shropshire.
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2008 18:48:37 GMT
I did think it seemed a bit posh for a miner! ;D
Bwlchgwyn location actually as it as both Fron Heulog and Roseneath Hall.
Many thanks Hilary for all the local history, it was very interesting to read. It certainly looks very grand doesn't it?
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2008 18:52:50 GMT
I have ancestors living at a Fron Heulog in a different location, what does Heulog mean? Is it topographical?
I beleive Fron is to do with slope of hill? Is this right?
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Post by annedw on Jan 26, 2008 20:20:46 GMT
Hilary - you are right about the quarry, the map I have has an outline of the `proposed new quarry` and it is a huge area nearly reaching down to Nant Y Frith Hall, from Coed Mawr to Darnau Wood. The other area marked is all around the Bwlchgwyn quarry , and right up to From Heulog. The map came from my father in law, he was a manager at the clay and coal mines in Llai Tan, I think they made bricks there. ( not sure if thats right name ) One of the Bwlchgwyn Edwards`s- Hilary knows who I mean ! I don`t think he had anything to do with the demise of Fron Heulog though
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Post by hilary on Jan 26, 2008 21:37:11 GMT
No, if I remember right, no-one wanted to pay a good price for the house in the end, but the quarry wanted the land anyway. The map you have sounds quite brilliant. The villagers were up in arms at the proposal to compulsory purchase their properties and force them to move; the councillor, Mr Hocker, took up their case. I have been searching for the "collecting the jewels" website but can't find it-typical, isn't it? Any other day it would just pop up! There is a picture on the site of Councillor Hocker who took up the village's cause.
Already the quarry has lopped off the top of the village - Fronheulog stood so high - the quarry would have flattened it completely.
Hilary
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Post by hilary on Jan 26, 2008 22:32:20 GMT
Thankyou! I just could not think of the Welsh for it! Bookmarked now.
Hilary
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Post by hilary on Jan 26, 2008 22:36:30 GMT
This is the link to the photographs about the quarry expansion plans. www.tlysau.org.uk/search/simpleSearch.php?srch=bwlchgwyn&lang=enThe couple in the photograph are Councillor and Mrs Hocker. I think that Anne should know the person sitting outside the "house...which was under threat....". Also Bwlchgwyn has been hyphenated, presumably that's why the pictures didn't come up on an image search either....back to the rest of my life..... Hilary
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Post by ago on Oct 16, 2010 18:50:15 GMT
hello annedw, absolutely fantastic find,this will keep me busy for months thank's annedw,seen this
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Post by ago on Oct 17, 2010 4:57:40 GMT
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Post by annedw on Oct 17, 2010 9:31:46 GMT
In my first post the image has gone, so we should all remember to save them to our PC. Luckily my cousin had another pic, so here it is. Fronheulog Hall. Attachments:
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Post by tominera on Oct 17, 2010 13:58:59 GMT
Hi, Not a lot to add apart from Fron Heulog is Welsh for Sunny Brow according to Raymond Lowe who wrote the book "Lost Houses in and around Wrexham"---I have enjoyed following this thread as I hope others have. ;D Incidentally our old friend J.R.Gummow was the architect Tom
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Post by gwyneth on Oct 17, 2010 16:32:15 GMT
M J Gunnow was the architect of the RWF Drill Hall on Poyser Street. (Name is bottom left of the plaque with the RWF Dragon.) Is he the same person or a family member? "Our old friend..." - is he well-known? Gwyneth Edited to modify my phrasing.
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Post by annedw on Oct 17, 2010 16:48:49 GMT
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Post by gwyneth on Oct 17, 2010 19:44:08 GMT
Thank you very much.
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Post by ago on Oct 21, 2010 5:28:06 GMT
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Post by ago on Oct 24, 2010 18:09:16 GMT
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Post by ago on Nov 2, 2010 19:46:32 GMT
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Post by ago on Nov 16, 2010 20:23:28 GMT
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Post by ago on Apr 1, 2012 20:17:46 GMT
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Post by tominera on Apr 2, 2012 10:24:11 GMT
HI Ago, I think you have found a little gem with these pics and my initial feelings they are deffo Fron Heulog--but I have been wrong before so lets see what others think Regards Tom
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Post by ago on Apr 6, 2012 15:02:50 GMT
hello all,found a miss leta jones who set up a camp at fronheulog bwlchgwyn,http://archiveshub.ac.uk/she also wrote a book called COWARDS CUSTARD a biography,this is at ARCHIVES HUB,newspaper cutting and letters,and postcard photo of bwlchgwyn,with letters from girls who stayed there,and more.
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Post by tominera on Apr 7, 2012 20:42:49 GMT
Hi, I got to the site and is it possible to see the said items on the internet can anyone tell me --or am I expecting too much or maybe wishful thinking ;D regards Tom
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Post by ago on Apr 7, 2012 21:42:10 GMT
hello tom,yes i know what you mean, i spent an hour or so trying my self,its so infuriating that knowledge is so near yet so far away thats an hour and two of my life i will never get back,but i know who can,i think we know who, i am researching a new subject all to gether,and its blowing my head away,you get to a site and think here we go all the info i want,and BANG no,sorry tom.back to my j/d.
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Post by ago on Apr 9, 2012 20:43:14 GMT
www.london-gazette.co.uk/hello all, and did you enjoy your wet bank holiday,here is a snippet, go to the site put in tan y bwlch,date 21 may 1869 page 5 issue number 23499 page number 2969 in subject riley v edgworth,
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Post by ago on Apr 9, 2012 20:46:13 GMT
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