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Post by sharonbrown2 on Mar 1, 2007 13:37:04 GMT
Hello , I have been researching my family history for the past three years and am trying to find connections with new relatives. My grandfather Evan Thomas Williams of Roberts Terrace, Coedpoeth born 1901 and died 2004 at the grand age of 101. had 7 siblings. Starting from the eldest - William c1892, Jane c1983, Maggie c1897, Cissie c1898, Beatrice c1899, Trevor c1902 and Abel c1905. All born at Heol Llewellyn, Coedpoeth. Abel ran the old bakery on the high street for many years. He was renowned for his wedding cakes. his wife Eirwen ran the Wedding Bridal Shop. William, Jane, Maggie and Beatrice shared a house in Park Road for many years, whereas Abel, Trevor, Cissie and my grandfather Evan all married. The above children's parents were William Williams c1865 and Mary Elizabeth Evans c1869. What I am trying to find is info relating to their father William Williams' c1865, siblings. They were Edward c1863, (Edward was believed to have married Jane ? and had at least two children Evan E and Iorwerth, the latter son I believe to have been the grandfather to the owner of Pentre Broughton Riding Stable, not plucked up the confidence to make contact with them yet.). Levy c1867 believed to have married Sarah Ann Francis and had Richard Frances and John Owen, born at 4 Manley Road, Coedpoeth), Jane c1870, (no info on her), Robert c1872, (no info on him), Evan Thomas c1874 - died 1898 - never married, Sidney Ellen c1876, (believed to have married Stephen Davies, children unknown), Abel c1878 - died 1917 in the 1st World War. His name is enscribed on the Memorial Monument in Coedpoeth Park, Pheobe c1879, had a shop in Nant Square, she never married, John Owen c1881, deformity from birth, died 1928 and Agnes c1883 (no info as yet). If any of the above names ring a bell, I would be ever so grateful if you could contact me as I have a lot more info which I would love to share with you.
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Post by shedevil on Mar 1, 2007 23:40:26 GMT
Hello Alison and welcome to our message boards It seems that your William Williams was living at 4 Heol Llewelyn in 1901 aged 9 together with his sisters Jane aged 8 Maggie aged 4 Elizabeth aged 2 and Beatrice aged 1 his parents were William Williams aged 36 Coal Miner (Hewer – Below Ground) he is said to be from Ruabon and mother Mary E Williams aged 31 born in Bersham. I’m sure these details you already know. At no.3 Heol Lllewelyn there is an Eleanor Evans aged 69 ( born in Mold Flint) a widow living on her own means could this be the mother of Mary Williams nee Evans ? In 1891 William Williams and Mary A Williams are living at 13 Meiford Place, Wrexham Regis Wrexham, William states that his place of birth is Wrexham In 1881 at 78 Middle Road, Nant William Williams is living with his parents Evan Williams aged 43 and Margaret Williams aged 40 Both from Bettws Abergele, Denbighshire Together with his brothers and sisters Edward aged 18 born Bettws, Abergele, William aged 16 born Ruabon, Levi aged 13 born Ruabon, Jane aged 11 born Ruabon, Robert aged 9 born Ruabon, Evan Thomas aged 9 born Ruabon (twin of Robert), Sydney aged 5 (Female) born Ruabon, Abel aged 3 Born Bersham, Pheobe aged 2 born Bersham and John Owen aged 3 Months born Bershsam I know these are details probably already known to yourself but maybe someone here on our boards can tie them into their own Tree From someone who knew not much about their own ancestry I would try to persuade you to contact these people at the riding stables even if there is no link. Everyone is always willing to hear from long lost relatives no matter how distant, I myself contacted some family members in Minera and was warmly welcomed and we can now share stories. Even if you think your information may not be relevant it could still conjour up something related in past stories and memories that have been told related to your family. Tracey let us know how you get on
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Mar 2, 2007 8:09:05 GMT
Hello Shedevil, Thank you for your reply. Most of the info you have provided is correct apart from a few discrepancies. William Williams and Mary Elizabeth Evans (daughter of Elizabeth Davies and Enoch Evans) ,married on 20th April 1891 at the Jerusalem Chapel, Wrexham District, so I don't think they appeared as a family in the 1891 census. As for Eleanor Evans, whether she is related I don't know as yet. Robert and Evan Thomas, sons of the above were not twins, there were two years between them, but apart from that all the other data is correct. As for what you said I should get in contact with Pentre Broughton Riding Stables, even just for curiosity. If there is anyone else who may think they are related to this family or have any other info, I would love to hear from you. I also posted a comment on the misc. board enquiring about the burial of a guy, this guy was William Williams, the above mentioned (my great grandfather). My taid Evan Thomas was led to believe his father had committed suicide, but the inquest was open to suggestion. William William's parents Evan and Margaret (nee Foulkes) Williams are both buried in Coedpoeth Cemetery along with some of their children, but not William. There is an urn with the name Grandma Walwork also placed on the grave. I have no idea of this person, maybe someone could enlighten me. Thank You Sharon
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Mar 3, 2007 11:30:50 GMT
Hello, it's me again. You'll soon get fed of me. I'm also researching my maternal side - the Smallwood family. I have gone as far back as 1753 where my William Smallwood was born supposedly from Aber, need yet to confirm. He came over to Cymau, near Ffrith and married Mary Bythell daughter of Thomas Bythell. I have not been able to find their marriage entry yet, but they had the following children: William b. 1782 - married Maria Edwards George b. 1785 Elizabeth b. 1787 - d. 1795 Margaret b.1790 - d.1795 John b. 1792 - remained single Edward b. 1795 - married Mary Davies Thomas b. 1797 - married Elizabeth Jones All children born in Cymau.
William 1782 and Maria Edwards had the following children: John b.1805 - married Sarah Roberts Ann b. 1807 William b. 1809 - married Sarah Davies Margaret b. 1813 - married Peter Cunnah George b. 1815 - married Jane Wynne Edward b. 1817 Mary b. 1819 - married John Edwards Robert b. 1825 Elizabeth b. 1826 - married Daniel Roberts All children born in Cymau
William b. 1809 and Sarah Davies had the following children: Thomas b. 1837 - died 1837 William b. 1841 - married Mary Roberts Jane b. 1842 - married Price Edwards George b. 1845 - believed to have move to Lancashire Robert b. 1847 - died 1883 All children born in Llanfynydd
William b. 1841 and Mary Roberts had the following children: Sarah Jane b. 1865 of the Ffrwdd Francis b. 1866 of Brymbo - married Thomas Allen Margaret b. 1868 of Brymbo - married George Gittins James b. 1870 of Brymbo - married Mary Ann Dodd George b. 1874 of Brymbo - married Sarah Griffiths Robert b. 1877 of Brymbo - died 1881 Brymbo Edith b. 1878 Brymbo - married Thomas William Griffiths Ellen b. 1883 of Brymbo - died 1883
George b. 1874 AND Sarah Griffiths (daughter of Thomas Griffiths and Harriet Matthias) had the following children:
Robert. b1895 of Broughton D/shire married Winifred Harrison (daughter of Alexander Harrison and Jane Gallier) - (my geat grandparents) Thomas William b. 1898 of Broughton D/shire - married Jessie Edwards Albert Edward b. 1902 of Broughton D/shire - married Gwendoline Evans George b. 1905 of Broughton D/shire - married Helena Mulloch Fanny b. 1908 of Broughton, D/shire - died 1909 Fred b. 1910 of Broughton D/shire - married Monica from Sunderland Nancy Beryl b. 1916 of Broughton D/shire - married Edgar Albert Jones (they were Mayor and Mayoress of W
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Mar 3, 2007 11:33:03 GMT
Cont'd Nancy Beryl Smallwood and Edgar Albert Jones were Mayor and Mayoress of Wrexham in the 70's
Have I opened a CAN OF WORMS? Anyone welcome to join in Sharon
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Mar 15, 2007 15:59:03 GMT
Hello, as promised I said I would get back to you all. Calling at Pen-y-Bryn Riding Stables, Brymbo was successful. Even though Mervyn wasn't available, his wife told me the connection with my Williams Family. I was also successful in locating another cousin in Coedpoeth, and he was ever so pleased to see me. He remembered me as a small child. We intend to stay in frequent contact with one another. As for the burial of my great grandfather William Williams, I have not got no further. I went to the Coedpoeth Cemetery and spoke to the warden, he suggested that I look around Adwy graveyard and Minera Churchyard. He seemed to reckon, funeral's held at Bethlehem Chapel were buried in one or other of the graveyards rather that of Coedpoeth Cemetery. Any idea where I can find the registers for Adwy and Minera graveyards?I have already be to Minera graveyard, but was not prepared to risk my life venturing in, as it looked so run down and not looked after. Sharon
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Post by shedevil on Mar 15, 2007 18:25:47 GMT
I went to the Minera Church graveyard late last summer but some of the headstones are very weathered and hard to read, the burials from 1847 to 1899 are shown on the Minera parish records site but they would be of no use to you Before my visit I had tried to contact the vicar of the church on numerous occasions, my advice is don't bother with this approach as all you get is an answer machine and you wont even get a response maybe he is too busy to deal with family history research, but for the cost of a phone call it would be nice to have at least a response that he could not help in the matter but never mind the more recent burials would have taken place further towards the rear of the graveyard in the last 3rd of the grounds behind the church if that is of any help and it is nowhere near as badly unkempt as you may think Ive seen a lot worse
As far as the adwy graveyard goes I'm sorry i have no knowledge of it but Annetteedwards may know of it
Tracey
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Post by annedw on Mar 15, 2007 18:37:27 GMT
Could it be the one one the RH side coming into Coedpoeth from Wrexham, next to the Three Mile House. I`m sure Llosgi will know for sure.
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Mar 16, 2007 8:38:17 GMT
Sorry to be a pain again. I think I went to the wrong cemetery, the one I went to is over by Minera Lead mines on the road to New Brighton. There is no church there, but if I remember rightly I think there was the remains of a chapel. Would you happen to know the name of this cemetery? It is in rather a sorry state and too dangerous to go further that a few yards from the gate. When I go up to Coedpoeth again, I shall call in the proper Minera churchyard, I had forgotten about that one.
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Post by annedw on Mar 16, 2007 14:56:56 GMT
Hi, the one you went to is Wern Chapel, I have wandered around a couple of times, it is a mess. If you go back to the main MINERAncestry page, and then to Minera History .com at the very top you will see Mynwent Wern 1/7. This is a list of grave owners , lots of Williams , including William Williams a tailor.
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Post by sharonbrown2 on Mar 16, 2007 17:13:56 GMT
Thank you again for your help Annettedwards
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