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Post by tominera on Jan 24, 2009 23:03:20 GMT
Help wanted re these marriages please Edward GRIFFITHS c 1829 to Elizabeth YOUD c 1830 Mary Elizabeth GRIFFITHS c1891 to Ernest JONES(Possibly Manchester Area) Thanks Tom
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Post by jojo on Jan 25, 2009 7:15:51 GMT
Help wanted re these marriages please Edward GRIFFITHS c 1829 to Elizabeth YOUD c 1830 Mary Elizabeth GRIFFITHS c1891 to Ernest JONES(Possibly Manchester Area) Thanks Tom Hi Tom Free BMD has these to offer Jun Qrtr 1850 GT BOUGHTON district GRIFFITH, Edward (same page as) YOUD, Elizabeth GRO ref volume 19, page 34 Sep Qrtr 1913 CHORLTON district: JONES, Ernest (same page as) GRIFFITHS, Mary E GRO ref volume 8c, page 1805 Heather
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Post by tominera on Jan 25, 2009 18:52:26 GMT
Hi Heather, I feel pretty confident you have the correct ones which I will now enter in my wifes tree. Thanks a lot Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 25, 2009 20:24:01 GMT
Another 2 to solve ? John Kitchener Ball b Abt 1910 (guess) possibly Hoylake to Sydney Jones born 1920 Minera. First child about 1940.--Maybe Kitchener is a clue to his birth date. Also Samuel Michael father of Mary b 1824 Minera---Who was He married to and did Mary have any siblings ? Not asking much am I ? But I was brought up with the saying "If you dont ask you dont get" Cheers Tom
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Post by annedw on Jan 25, 2009 20:42:11 GMT
This is the only one close Births. John K Ball 1918 Apr-May-Jun Wirral Cheshire No joy with the marriage.
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Post by tominera on Jan 25, 2009 21:36:40 GMT
Hi, That will be the one and I have already put it in my tree Thanks Tom
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Post by jojo on Jan 25, 2009 21:45:28 GMT
Also Samuel Michael father of Mary b 1824 Minera---Who was He married to and did Mary have any siblings ? Not asking much am I ? But I was brought up with the saying "If you dont ask you dont get" Cheers Tom Hi Tom I confuse easily ;D Are we looking for a Mary Michael? Do you have a baptism for Mary from 1824? If so where? Or do you have Samuel on any censuses? Heather
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Post by tominera on Jan 25, 2009 22:36:01 GMT
Hi, I am looking for Samuel Michael marriage to His daughter Mary married Thomas Evans 15 5 1847 Wrexham Civil. Samuel was a miner in 1847. Mary lived in Wern 1851 Census and Coedpoeth 1861 Census and I have all the following Census details. One of the witnesses was a John Michael. Sorry its a bit vague to put it mildly Tom PS I do not have Samuel on any Census
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2009 9:37:00 GMT
Good morning Tom, Have you considered name variations What about this one 1851 Minera HO107/2503 f.726 Pg.15; Samuel Mitchel head mar 65 lead miner b.Minera Mary " w mar 59 b." John " son 25 unm lead miner b." also Minera PRs Baptisms Heth to Samuel and Mary Michael, Minera 17 Sept 1820
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2009 9:48:19 GMT
1861 Penybont, MineraRG9/4286 f.78 Pg.6 Mary Michael W Head 69 leadminers widow b.Minera Death reg. Wrexham Samuel Michael Dec 1/4 1852 1871 Bwlchgwyn Mnt.RG10/5656 f.108 Pg.21 Jno Mitchell Head M 45 lead miner b.Minera Maria " wife 34 b.Llanfair, Denbigh Joel " son unm 15 lab b.Minera Mary Han(?) " daur 11 b." Emma Davis daur 6 b." Joshua Davis son 2 b." Mary Mitchell mother wid 79 b."Sarah Jones serv 15 Death reg. Wrexham Mary Mitchell 89yrs Mar 1/4 1881
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2009 10:04:01 GMT
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2009 14:36:46 GMT
Continuing with son John.... 1881 Pentre BaisRG11/5517 f.100 Pg.25 John Michael H Mar 55 shopkeeper B.Minera Maria " Mar 43 b.Llanfair Emma Davies Michael daur 15 scholar b.Minera Anne Maria Michael daur 4 " b." Hannah Williams serv 16 b." John Mitchell married Maria Davies Mar 1/4 1871 civil marriage, Wrexham. Going by the childrens surnames in 1871 it looks as though John and Maria have both married before. I found John Mitchell married Catherine Davies Sept 1/4 1852, civil Wrexham. I can't find them in 1861, perhaps they are in one of the "missing" areas. Death reg. Wrexham Catherine Mitchell Sept 1/4 1865 1891 Plas Gwyn Mt, Grocers Shop (and next door to one of mine, Elizabeth Lloyd nee Kelly and family ;D) RG12/4616 f.97 Pg.27 John Mitchell H mar 5(2) shopkeeper grocer, b.Minera, Welsh speaking. Maria " wife 52 b.Llanfair, " Annie " daur 14 b.Minera 1901 Plasgwyn Mt
RG13/5223 F.12 PG.15 John Mitchell H mar 75 grocer, own account, b.Minera, Welsh speaking Maud " wife mar 63 b.Ruthin, Welsh " Annie M " daur single24 b.Minera, both Death reg. Wrexham Maria Mitchell 65yrs Dec 1/4 1898
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Post by annedw on Jan 26, 2009 15:48:42 GMT
MARRIAGE OF JOHN K BALL TO SYDNEY JONES.`
1939 DEC QTR Wirral 8a 1832
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Post by tominera on Jan 26, 2009 18:45:33 GMT
Hi, I am amazed at all this info and feel sure most if not all will be relevant----but it will take me quite some time to sort and put in and hope I do not have too many senior moments on the way. I must thank everyone concerned and say how much I appreciate your help filling the gaps and going back further than I thought possible-Thanks Tom
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Post by tominera on Jan 26, 2009 19:35:05 GMT
HI,Can I please ask all experienced researchers if they would merge the Michaels and Mitchels if they had all this excellent information as it seems the obvious thing to do and how do I decide which name to use or am I being a bit ambitious at this stage without more proof. I feel comfortable with it and intend getting some certs soon. Tom
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Post by eluned on Jan 26, 2009 20:13:02 GMT
Hi Tom, If it was mine, I think I would like to confirm it first and then enter it into my tree. With regard to name variations I have tended to make a note in my source information in order to accuratley record what name was being used/ recorded in various documents. It will be interesting to see how others deal with this too.
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Post by tominera on Jan 28, 2009 21:33:12 GMT
Hi, Going to Palmer Centre tomorrow to follow some of the info up before putting it in F/T so in the meantime can anyone find this marriage---Robert did leave the area to live as a grocer in Crosby but I have never located his marriage.---DAVIES Robert William c 1882 to Merianne Roberts ( poss c 1885) b Rhosesmor, Flintshire. They had 2 Children Glyn & Catherine but I do not have any details. Thanks Tom
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Post by eluned on Jan 29, 2009 15:19:28 GMT
Hi, Going to Palmer Centre tomorrow to follow some of the info up before putting it in F/T so in the meantime can anyone find this marriage---Robert did leave the area to live as a grocer in Crosby but I have never located his marriage.---DAVIES Robert William c 1882 to Merianne Roberts ( poss c 1885) b Rhosesmor, Flintshire. They had 2 Children Glyn & Catherine but I do not have any details. Thanks Tom Started a new thread for this one Tom.
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Post by tominera on Jan 29, 2009 19:11:50 GMT
Hi, I have a copy of Samuel Mitchel marriage in Ruabon 17 6 1820 and the witnesses names are Thomas Bead and Sarah Jones. All four signed with an X. It is another step on the way so Thanks again Tom
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Post by tominera on Feb 21, 2009 18:58:33 GMT
Have received Death Cert today for Samuel Michael d 25 11 1852 aged 67 yrs in Minera with Mary Evans,Wern present at death. Same name as my g Grandmother so will put this one to bed- ;D However I also had Death Cert for Mary Mitchell widow of Sam Mitchell d 1 2 1881 aged 89 yrs in Coedpoeth. Present at the death is none other than John Carrington Son-in-Law Coedpoeth I have found a marr in March Qtr 1853 in St Giles to a Margaret Mitchell. Which I will try to get details next week to help with identifying if these are mine or not -Tom
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Post by jojo on Feb 22, 2009 1:18:46 GMT
However I also had Death Cert for Mary Mitchell widow of Sam Mitchell d 1 2 1881 aged 89 yrs in Coedpoeth. Present at the death is none other than John Carrington Son-in-Law Coedpoeth I have found a marr in March Qtr 1853 in St Giles to a Margaret Mitchell. Which I will try to get details next week to help with identifying if these are mine or not -Tom Hi Tom I have John Carrington b March 8, 1829- Jul 30, 1899. July 31, 1902 His wife Margaret Mitchell died/buried Jul 30, 1899. I don't have any info on Margaret's origins other than the date of marriage March 26, 1853. I can post their children and partners etc. if she is yours. Just let me know. The first child was a daughter Mary and the third child was a son Samuel (1861-1865). Heather Modified Feb 28, 2009 - Thanks to Hen Locsin for noticing the incorrect date
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Post by jojo on Feb 22, 2009 13:36:02 GMT
Hello Tom
A possible clue re Margaret Mitchell/Michael:
Minera marriage March 5, 1853 of Thomas Carrington (collier) s/o Francis Carrington (miner) Coedpoeth Sarah Hughes (servant) d/o Samuel Hughes (labourer) Rhosllanderchrugog
the witnesses were recorded as John CARRINGTON & Margaret MICHAEL
John & Thomas C were brothers
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Post by tominera on Feb 22, 2009 16:05:23 GMT
Hi Heather, I really do not know for sure if these are mine as I do not have any relevant info which would prove it yet, but seeing it is a recent development on my part I still feel pretty confident we are close enough to feel reasonably confident. I do have the details of John & Mgt Carrington as the LW IMG No1 Gives birth as well as death dates and also another John Carrington who is probably their son.(Can supply burial dates for all 3 ) I do not have any record of brothers or sisters for Mary Michael due to the fact my Census details for her start with the 1851 Census when she has already married my G Grandfather Thomas Evans in Wxm 15 5 1847 and the Witnesses were John Evans,John Michael & Margaret Evans and they are living in the Wern. I am sorry this all sounds a bit jumbled but maybe we will get there in the end. Thanks anyway Tom
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Post by eluned on Feb 23, 2009 15:21:51 GMT
Have received Death Cert today for Samuel Michael d 25 11 1852 aged 67 yrs in Minera with Mary Evans,Wern present at death. Same name as my g Grandmother so will put this one to bed- ;D However I also had Death Cert for Mary Mitchell widow of Sam Mitchell d 1 2 1881 aged 89 yrs in Coedpoeth. Present at the death is none other than John Carrington Son-in-Law Coedpoeth I have found a marr in March Qtr 1853 in St Giles to a Margaret Mitchell. Which I will try to get details next week to help with identifying if these are mine or not -Tom Hi Tom, You should perhaps confirm the marriage at St Giles to give you Margarets fathers name and occupation, hopefully ;D and possibly see if you can find any children baptised to Samuel Michael/Mitchell. You could try St Giles for starters Now the Evans' I will start a new thread for this one.
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Post by jojo on Feb 24, 2009 13:48:38 GMT
found this baptism at Ruthin Mill Wesleyan of Margaret MITCHELL, born 22/11/1829, bapt 29/11/1829 d/o Samuel MITCHELL & Mary of Minera Wrexham Parish
there is also this one at Llangollen Wesleyan Church Heth MICHAEL, born 24/7/1833, bapt 29/08/1833 s/o Samuel MICHAEL (lab) & Mary of Mwynglawdd, Wrexham Psh
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Post by jojo on Feb 24, 2009 14:14:08 GMT
Wrexham St. Giles baptism
August 17, 1786 MICHAEL, Saml (b Aug 3) s/o John & Margt, abode Bry.
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Post by tominera on Feb 24, 2009 18:46:46 GMT
Hi, Thanks for all this info and at first glance I believe they are all mine. I will now try and develop them enough to feel confident to put them in my tree. Hope to get at least one marriage on Thursday. Thanks again Tom
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Post by tominera on Feb 26, 2009 19:13:15 GMT
HI, Obtained the marr cert today of John Carrington age 24y father Francis (miner) to Margaret Mitchell age 25y father Samuel Mitchell (miner) on 26 3 1853 in St Giles, Wrexham.(with Banns) Witnesses names-Moses Carrington & Miriam Cadwaladr---all four signed with an X I am now pretty confident these Mitchells and Michaels are one and the same and intend putting them in my tree ;D Thanks for all the help along the way, TOM
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Post by jojo on Feb 26, 2009 19:27:43 GMT
Hi Tom
Welcome to the clan ;D ;D ;D
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