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Post by tominera on Apr 2, 2009 18:23:13 GMT
My wife's grandmother Mary Ann Hughes c1867 married David Jones c1859 widower b Llanarmon in Minera Church 23 12 1895. I would now like to have more info on his first marriage and children--In 1881 he is living by Mount Pleasant Inn, Brymbo with his parents Griffith & Sarah Jones-both c1830 b Llanarmon and a grandchild Margaret aged 5 b Brymbo In 1891 he is living in Queens Head Row, Smelt, Coedpoeth with his wife Sarah c1860 b Treuddyn and their two children Sarah Jane Jones c1887 & David John Jones c1890 both b Coedpoeth. David John is living with his father and his stepmother in Tyn Y Wern, Esc. Above in 1901. The family moved to lower Rd Nant, Nant, Coedpoeth and David died 12 9 1912 and is buried in Minera, possibly with his first wife who died 1893 and was buried 27 5 1893 in Minera. David had a brother James who was living in Pentre Bais with his wife Sarah (they liked their Sarahs : and their son Robert Owen Jones c1879 b Broughton. I would like any info or help in establishing what happened to their children and possbly any details of his parents and his wife.
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Post by eluned on Apr 2, 2009 19:18:58 GMT
RG10/3737, f.73, pg.22 1871 Llanfynydd (Are they in the book ;D) Glanrafon Griffith Jones H Mar 42 lead miner b.Mold Sarah " W Mar 42 b.Ruthin James " son 16 farm lab b.Llanarmon David " " 13 b."
You mention 1881 Mount Pleasant Inn, well yours are "by the..." but next door at the pub its self are another Jones family RG11/5516, f.120, pg.28 David Jones H Mar 45 publican and reservoir keeper b.Hope Sarah " W Mar 50 b.Wrexham Edward " 20 son unm lead miner b.Hope Elizabeth " daur 13 domestic serv b."
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Post by eluned on Apr 2, 2009 20:27:13 GMT
RG12/4618, f.53, p.12 1891 Wrexham Regis 7 Trevor St James Jones H M 36 Coalminer b.Flint, Llanarmon Sarah " W M 35 b.Minera Robert O " son 11 sch b.Brymbo John Robt Parry 24 lodger M coalminer b.Minera Darcus " 21 lodger M b" Ellen Jones visitor single 28 dom serv b"
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Post by tominera on Apr 2, 2009 21:22:01 GMT
Hi, Thanks for info so far so good and it will give me a bit more to work on and enter in F/T---Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 3, 2009 9:43:07 GMT
David had a brother James who was living in Pentre Bais with his wife Sarah and their son Robert Owen Jones c1879 b. Broughton.
1881 Pentre Bais James Jones H M 26 leadminer b.Llanarmon Sarah " W 26 B.Minera Robert Owen " nephew 2 b.Broughton
RG13/5225, f.60, p.30. 1901 Wrexham Regis 17 Princess St James Jones H M 46 timberman at colliery b.Ruthin Sarah " W M 45 b.Minera Robert " son unm 21 coach painter b." Rose Reve boarder unm 22 shop asst b.Liverpool
Assuming they married in Wrexham between 1874-1881, the only one I found was Sep 1/4 1875 Wrexham civil. James Jones to Sarah Jones
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Post by eluned on Apr 3, 2009 10:45:20 GMT
I have narrowed down the search for David's marriage to Sarah but a birth certificate for one of there children would give confirmation of her maiden name. I searched 1881-91 Wrexham only (Sarah was born Flintshire ) and even disregarded Rhos as there were lots of David Jones Civil Jun 1/4 1882 to Sarah Ann Jones Civil Jun 1/4 1884 to Sarah Chesters Civil Sep 1/4 1885 to Sarah Edwards Civil Dec 1/4 1891 to Sarah Humphreys/Harriet Ann Davies
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Post by eluned on Apr 3, 2009 11:02:15 GMT
Births reg Wrexham David John Jones Sept 1/4 1890. There are two but with details of father's name,address from 1891 census and/or place of birth and his fathers job, I'm sure Wrexham register office would come up trumps. I have always found their service excellent
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Post by tominera on Apr 3, 2009 12:48:19 GMT
Hi, Thanks again and I will get the birth cert next week hopefully and maybe we can make some more progress then. Thanks Tom
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Post by tominera on Apr 9, 2009 13:45:47 GMT
Hi, Received Birth cert. for David John Jones born 2 8 1890 address Mount Pleasant, Minera. Father David Jones(X his mark) Leadminer and mother Sarah Jones formerly Chester. I appreciate this looks good and I can only hope the other David John Jones did not match up with the info I supplied, as they did not contact me as they usually do to confirm some details. Lets hope Sarah Chester was born in Treuddyn as this would really confirm it is the right Sarah(I know nothing is certain in this game) Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 9, 2009 14:14:53 GMT
I found a Sarah Chesters in 1881 b.Tryddyn abt 1857 , so fingers crossed RG11/3567, f.47, p.20 1881 Tryddyn 19 Blast Row John Lewis H mar 24 coal miner b.N.K. Flintshire Elizabeth " W 26 b.Tryddyn Sarah Chesters sister unm 24 serv out of employ b."
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Post by tominera on Apr 9, 2009 16:10:56 GMT
Hi, Thanks for that---I will not be able to resist getting marriage cert after Easter and I will be well on my way then. I wonder what happenned to David John did he join the Army maybe---I have a feeling I once saw a name like his on Coedpoeth War Memorial but maybe not. Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 9, 2009 16:22:24 GMT
Have a look at the "CWGC Remembrance links..." next one up from this thread. It does show a David John but is this him Hopefully the 1911 will be with us soon, English counties are now complete. Lynn
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Post by tominera on Apr 9, 2009 16:42:21 GMT
Hi, Just had stroke of luck--Found birth of Sarah March Q 1856 Wrexham, also birth of her sister Eliz. March Q 1854-- I then found marr. of her sister in St Giles March Q 1881. I will now be able to access this marr. in Palmer centre and the details re parents should hopefully be the same.-Looking forward to seeing names of witnesses etc. if I can get there next week. Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 9, 2009 16:42:54 GMT
There is a David John Jones' service record available. He signed up in July 1909 and was 21yrs 3months, so he is a little old to be yours. Service no.6474, 4th Bat R.W.Fus Enlisted Coedpoeth. Killed in action Have sent you some further details www.cwgc.org/search/certificate.aspx?casualty=261860
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Post by tominera on Apr 9, 2009 17:01:27 GMT
Thanks, but I can see it is not my David John-Tom
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Post by tominera on Apr 10, 2009 14:51:59 GMT
Hi, As I seem to be on a roll, ;D I would like to find marr. & deaths for Griffith & Sarah Jones (Davids parents) he is not declared deceased on marriage of David in 1895 so perhaps 1891 & 1901 Census details would be a start Tom
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Post by annedw on Apr 10, 2009 15:11:43 GMT
From your first post you have `Griffith & Susan Jones` so is it Sarah or Susan b Llanarmon 1830 , at the moment I`ve not had any luck with census.
These are the closest match for ages, presuming they died between census years. Deaths Wrexham Griffith Jones age 50 Sept qtr 1881 " " age 64 Mar qtr 1895 " " age 68 Dec qtr 1899
Sarah Jones age 53 Dec qtr 1883 " " age 51 Jun qtr 1882 " " age 56 Jun qtr 1887
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Post by eluned on Apr 10, 2009 15:15:05 GMT
From your first post you have `Griffith & Susan Jones` so is it Sarah or Susan b Llanarmon 1830 , at the moment I`ve not had any luck with census. Great minds think a like ;D ;D ;D and I can't find them either I assume this was them in 1871? RG10/3737, f.73, pg.22 1871 Llanfynydd Glanrafon Griffith Jones H Mar 42 lead miner b.Mold Sarah " W Mar 42 b.Ruthin James " son 16 farm lab b.Llanarmon David " " 13 b."
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Post by eluned on Apr 10, 2009 15:26:56 GMT
Just to help others with the search 1881 Brymbo RG11/5516, f.120, pg.28 by the Mount Pleasant Inn Griffith Jones H mar 50 leadminer b.Llanarmon Sarah " mar 50 b." David " son 23 leadminer b." Margaret " grand daur 5 b.BrymboEdward " boarder unm 21 leadminer b.Llanarmon, Flintshire I guess Susan was perhaps an error in a transcription So who is Margaret, granddaughter?
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Post by annedw on Apr 10, 2009 16:09:34 GMT
1891 Trevor St Wrexham Living next door to the Jones who are at No 5 is Michael H Gummow 60 insurance agent and wife Julia , they are at No 6 Now isn`t that the same family that we have elsewhere on the site.
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Post by eluned on Apr 10, 2009 16:33:41 GMT
Hi Tominera and Annedw Hi, As I seem to be on a roll, ;D I would like to find marr. & deaths for Griffith & Sarah Jones (Davids parents) he is not declared deceased on marriage of David in 1895 so perhaps 1891 & 1901 Census details would be a start Tom Deceased isn't always written on marriage certificates though Perhaps you could search Brymbo PRs for a burial.
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Post by annedw on Apr 10, 2009 16:41:45 GMT
1901 Wrexham Regis James Jones 17 Princess St
Wrexham cemetery JONES JAMES 1913 age 58 17 PRINCESS ST 8350 24/06/1913 Grave No 04491
Sarah doesn`t appear to be in the same grave, and there is no Sarah Jones died at the same adress. Looks like a visit to Ruabon Road is due. The very nice superintendnt will be able to see if anyone else is in the same grave , and hopefully find it for you.
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Post by tominera on Apr 10, 2009 18:18:18 GMT
Thanks everyone and apologies re Susan(my daughter will not be amused ) I have corrected it now, as it should have been Sarah. I will note all the info and do my best to follow up the really good leads. At first glance it really does look as though they both died before 1891. I will now make a list of must do,s Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 11, 2009 9:00:35 GMT
Hi, As I seem to be on a roll, ;D I would like to find marr. Tom I can only find two possible marriages Sarah Dutton Mar 1/4 1856 Gt Boughton St Marys Chester CE14/4/16 or Sarah Jones Jun 1/4 1851 Ruthin civil but I think you should do some searching for their children's baptisms/births before then.
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Post by tominera on Apr 11, 2009 10:26:35 GMT
Hi, Thanks again, I presume I would need to search the Llanarmon Pr,s and I am assuming that would be in Ruthin--If so I will eventually get there but cannot see it happening soon. ::)Thanks anyway Tom
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Post by tominera on Apr 14, 2009 17:24:46 GMT
Hi, With the aid of a fabulously helpful person in The Register Office, ;D I have established it was the correct David John Jones b 2 8 1890 and his sister Sarah Jane Jones was born in 1887 in Bersham,Denbighshire to the same parents David & Sarah Jones nee Chester which means I can now move on with confidence. Can anyone locate Sarah Chester(s) c1856 in 1861 & 1871 please? Thanks Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 14, 2009 18:18:55 GMT
I found a Sarah Chesters in 1881 b.Tryddyn abt 1857 , so fingers crossed RG11/3567, f.47, p.20 1881 Tryddyn 19 Blast Row John Lewis H mar 24 coal miner b.N.K. Flintshire Elizabeth " W 26 b.Tryddyn Sarah Chesters sister unm 24 serv out of employ b." RG10/3738, f.20, p.3 1871 Blast Row, Tryddyn John Chesters H mar 48 coalminer b.Hope Sarah " W mar 52 b.Tryddyn Sarah " daur 15 b." Anne Letitia Gibben boarder 3 b."
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Post by tominera on Apr 14, 2009 18:31:55 GMT
Thanks Lynn, I am putting info in now ;D Tom
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Post by eluned on Apr 14, 2009 18:40:00 GMT
I can't find them in 1861 at the mo 1851 Tryddyn HO107/2502, f.22, p1 Charls Morris H unm 61 lab b.Tryddyn John Chesters son in law mar 27 miner b.Denbigh Sarrah " wife mar 31 son's wife b.Tryddyn Charls Jones nephew unm 14 miner b." David " nephew unm 10 sch b." Margaret Morris grand daugter 3 at home b."
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Post by tominera on Apr 14, 2009 21:04:37 GMT
Hi, Thanks again---Tom
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