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Jul 9, 2009 9:00:15 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 9, 2009 9:00:15 GMT
I have found a harriet s edwards born 1873 in wrexham denbighshire and her parent are isaac and elizabeth wondering if this is griffith and magerat edwards son issaac Does the age fit for Isaac? Have you been able to locate a marriage?
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Jul 9, 2009 15:39:55 GMT
Post by joanandkevin on Jul 9, 2009 15:39:55 GMT
Harriet selina moved away from Wrexham shortly after her second husband died. She came to live in Birkenhead she is buried here.She died 02/02/1963we know that she got married to Thomas G Morgan oct-nov-dec ?in Wrexham 1930 can you find anything more about Thomas Morgan please
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Jul 9, 2009 16:27:56 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 9, 2009 16:27:56 GMT
Without any more info from you it will be rather difficult.
We don`t know how old he was when he married, his father might be named on the marriage cert which would help, but I would imagine that he would probably have died by them if Thomas was about the same age as Harriet Selina. Do you know when he died and you say it was in Wrexham, how old was he then ? Have you any ideas about where he came from. There are lots of Thomas Morgans about and it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack to find the right one. Have you tried looking for an obituary for him, sorry to sound a bit negative but the latest census we can search for you is 1901, nearly 30 years before the marriage. Can you post any info on the other thread I started for you just for Thomas G Morgan, then we can concentrate on just that part of the family. It makes it easier to keep track of one person . I like easy ;D
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Oct 10, 2009 10:41:13 GMT
Post by linda on Oct 10, 2009 10:41:13 GMT
Hi Linda and welcome to the site Do you have Harriet in any census and could you please post the details to enable people search acurately? When did she marry please? and do you have her marriage certificate as that will give her father's name and occupation. I think this could well be her but more details you can give, will help to clarify this Birth reg Wrexham Harriet Selina Edwards Jun 1/4 18771891 BershamLlidiart Fanny Cottage RG12/4614, F.51, PG.20 Griffith Edwards H M 64 coal miner b.Llanderful, Merionethshire Margaret " wife M 59 b.Derwen, Denbighshire Edwin " son unm 30 coal miner b.Bersham Stephen " son unm 22 coal miner b." Harriet S " daur 13 B."Stephen " nephew 10 scholar b.Hanley, Staffs
1881 BrymboStable Row, Vron RG11/5517, F.9, P.10 Griffith Edwards H M 52 ostler at colliery b.Llanderful, Merionethshire Margret " wife M 46 b.Derwen, Denbighshire Isaac " son unm 25 coal miner b.Adwy Evan " son M 23 coal miner b." Edwin " son unm 20 coal miner b." Mary Elizth " daur 17 dom serv b." Stephen " son 13 coal miner b." Sarah Jane " daur 10 sch b." Margt Ann " daur 7 b." Selina " 3 daur b."Stephen " son 6months b."
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Oct 10, 2009 10:44:07 GMT
Post by linda on Oct 10, 2009 10:44:07 GMT
hi thanksfor all your helpi have recieved the birth date of harriet selina edwards as being 19/04 /1877 yet all your info matches directly to her family brothers sisters etc but you haveher birthday as june 1877 where doi go from here ta x
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Oct 10, 2009 11:58:13 GMT
Post by eluned on Oct 10, 2009 11:58:13 GMT
Hi BMDs were registered locally and then sent to central repositories every quarter where they were nationally indexed.So the birth cert information we gave for Harriet Selina Edwards birth was that it was registered in Wrexham in the Jun 1/4. This is the period of registration and not the month of birth. Were her parents the ones listed in the census ie Griffith and Margaret? Her mothers maiden name will also have been given, which will now give you another line to research. eluned
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Oct 13, 2009 11:19:40 GMT
Post by joanandkevin on Oct 13, 2009 11:19:40 GMT
I am trying to trace the parents of Edward Edwards.who was christened in 1778 in Llansantffraid Glynceiriog, Denbigh. Ihave found have a Mary ? who married Edward Edwards in Denbigh 28/01/1778 and a Jane Jones who also married an Edward Edwards in Denbigh 13/07/1778 could Oone of these be the parents ? I have managed to trace my family back to 1851
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Oct 14, 2009 11:34:09 GMT
Post by linda on Oct 14, 2009 11:34:09 GMT
I`ll carry on with the census while I`m on a roll ;D ;D 1861 RG9; Piece: 4284; Folio: 66; Page: 7 Rhos Berse Road Griffith Edwards 32 farm labourer. b Merionethshire. Margaret Edwards 27 Griffith Edwards 8 Isaac Edwards 6 Evan Edwards 4 Edwin Edwards 4 Mo 1851 HO107; Piece: 2504; Folio: 422; Page: 7 Llanerch Gron Uchaf , Tre Llanerch , Denbs Edward Edwards 73 farmer b Derwen Margaret Edwards 69 wife b Efenechtyd David Edwards 30 unm son b " Edward Edwards 9 gr son b LLanrhydd Edward Williams 14 servant b Efenechydd Griffith Edwards 22 servant b Llanderfel Ann Davies 18 servant b Llanelidan. griffith edwards aged 22 looks like he is my relative he wasa servant for edward edwards but where did griffith come from? how do i trace him back
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Oct 14, 2009 12:30:49 GMT
Post by linda on Oct 14, 2009 12:30:49 GMT
griffith edwards aged 22 looks like he is my relative he wasa servant for edward edwards but where did griffith come from?
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Oct 14, 2009 17:00:42 GMT
Post by annedw on Oct 14, 2009 17:00:42 GMT
All census records have Griffith as being from Llanderfel and he was born about 1829. Llanderfel is in the Bala area.
There`s only one Issac Edwards born Wrexham district that seems to match the son from 1861 aged 6. Isaac Edwards born 1856. You need to get a birth certificate if you are sure that it is the right one , to see what Margarets maiden name was, then you can hopefully trace their marriage and both Griffith and Margarets fathers names and occupations. This will help you go back one more generation.
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Oct 14, 2009 20:30:53 GMT
Post by eluned on Oct 14, 2009 20:30:53 GMT
I am trying to trace the parents of Edward Edwards.who was christened in 1778 in Llansantffraid Glynceiriog, Denbigh. Ihave found have a Mary ? who married Edward Edwards in Denbigh 28/01/1778 and a Jane Jones who also married an Edward Edwards in Denbigh 13/07/1778 could Oone of these be the parents ? I have managed to trace my family back to 1851 Hi joan&kev, Is this the same family as the one on this thread please? It makes things far easier for anyone wanting to help, if each family you are requesting help with is on a different thread. Does the baptism you found give the parents names ie Edward and...? his wife??? I am a little confused because you mention the baptism in 1778 but say you have only traced the family back to 1851. If you give us the full census details including the ref. of the family concerned in at least 1851, we can hopefully help you further. eluned
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Oct 14, 2009 20:40:37 GMT
Post by linda on Oct 14, 2009 20:40:37 GMT
think ive found their marriage griffith edwards married margaret jones in 1852
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Oct 14, 2009 20:47:47 GMT
Post by eluned on Oct 14, 2009 20:47:47 GMT
All census records have Griffith as being from Llanderfel and he was born about 1829. Llanderfel is in the Bala area. You need to get a birth certificate if you are sure that it is the right one , to see what Margarets maiden name was, then you can hopefully trace their marriage and both Griffith and Margarets fathers names and occupations. This will help you go back one more generation. Where did the marriage take place please? If her maiden name Jones is the same as the one on the birth certificate above, it may well be correct but unfortunately the surnames Jones and Edwards are very common ones.
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Oct 14, 2009 22:20:02 GMT
Post by annedw on Oct 14, 2009 22:20:02 GMT
So - which is the right one. North Wales Marriage indexes for the years: 1852 EDWARDS * Griffith JONES Margaret Dolgellau, Civil Marriage Gwynedd - Meirionnydd Area Register Office (Dolgellau) EDWARDS Griffith St Mwrog and St Mary Denbighshire South (Ruthin) Edwards Griffith Ruthin 11b 617 JONES Margaret Ruthin 11b 617 Roberts Daniel Ruthin 11b 617 WILLIAMS Margaret
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