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Jul 5, 2009 18:05:48 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 5, 2009 18:05:48 GMT
looking for harriet selina edwards born in 18approx 1880 who married a robert lewis jones and they moved to brook terrace brymbo and brought up there children there i want to know if harriet had any brothers or sisters
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Jul 5, 2009 19:24:21 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 5, 2009 19:24:21 GMT
Hi Linda and welcome to the site Do you have Harriet in any census and could you please post the details to enable people search acurately? When did she marry please? and do you have her marriage certificate as that will give her father's name and occupation. I think this could well be her but more details you can give, will help to clarify this Birth reg Wrexham Harriet Selina Edwards Jun 1/4 18771891 BershamLlidiart Fanny Cottage RG12/4614, F.51, PG.20 Griffith Edwards H M 64 coal miner b.Llanderful, Merionethshire Margaret " wife M 59 b.Derwen, Denbighshire Edwin " son unm 30 coal miner b.Bersham Stephen " son unm 22 coal miner b." Harriet S " daur 13 B."Stephen " nephew 10 scholar b.Hanley, Staffs
1881 BrymboStable Row, Vron RG11/5517, F.9, P.10 Griffith Edwards H M 52 ostler at colliery b.Llanderful, Merionethshire Margret " wife M 46 b.Derwen, Denbighshire Isaac " son unm 25 coal miner b.Adwy Evan " son M 23 coal miner b." Edwin " son unm 20 coal miner b." Mary Elizth " daur 17 dom serv b." Stephen " son 13 coal miner b." Sarah Jane " daur 10 sch b." Margt Ann " daur 7 b." Selina " 3 daur b."Stephen " son 6months b."
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Jul 5, 2009 20:06:10 GMT
Post by tominera on Jul 5, 2009 20:06:10 GMT
Hi, You may already have this info but here goes--- Buried in All Saints Churchyard, Southsea is a Robert Lewis Jones of Brook Tce Tanyfron aged 55 yrs bur 31 7 1924 plot 373 also in this plot is Charles Victor Jones- Tanyfron aged 18 yrs died 10 11 1916 and buried 14 11 1916 It has a military headstone with some details such as his reg. and No 35242 Good Luck Tom
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Jul 5, 2009 21:17:44 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 5, 2009 21:17:44 GMT
Charles V. Jones' medal card states he was in the South Wales Borderers and received the Victory and the British medals.
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Jul 7, 2009 7:54:09 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 7, 2009 7:54:09 GMT
thankyou so much for the information it definately sounds like my family the harriet selina is my great grandmother who married robert lewis jones .also she was widdowed date unknown and married a man with the surname morgan.
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Jul 7, 2009 7:55:33 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 7, 2009 7:55:33 GMT
in 1881 you hav steven as a 3 year old son but in 1891 he is now listed as a 10 year old nephew how is this
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Jul 7, 2009 8:08:14 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 7, 2009 8:08:14 GMT
Hi Linda, I have checked this and it is correct , he is entered as both, born c 1880, but there is also another Stephen born c 1869. This needs to looked at more closely to see who are his parents.
This could be the marriage of Selina. Thomas G Morgan = Selina Jones Oct-Nov-Dec 1930 Wrexham Civil Marriage.
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Jul 7, 2009 8:17:53 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 7, 2009 8:17:53 GMT
To make it even more confusing 1901 RG13; Piece: 5219; Folio: 67; Page: 29. 9 Heol Offa Bersham Griffith Edwards 74 own means Margaret Edwards 66 Edwin Edwards 40 coal hewer Stephen Edwards 32 son b Bersham Stephen Edwards 20 grandson b Hanley Cecilia J Page 3 grandson ? b Glamorgon Ton Y Pandy Sarah A Williams 11 grand daughter b Bersham. And here is Griffith in 1871RG10; Piece: 5655; Folio: 60; Page: 2 Rhos berse Bersham ( all children b Adwy`r clawdd ) Griffith Edwards 42 horse keeper b Bala Margaret Edwards 37 b Derwen Isaac Edwards 16 Evan Edwards 13 Edwin Edwards 10 Mary E Edwards 7 John Edwards 4 Stephen Edwards 2 Sarah J Edwards 1 month
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Jul 7, 2009 8:33:19 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 7, 2009 8:33:19 GMT
hi thankyou. it says charles victor edwards received the victory and british medals how do i find out what these where for he is my great uncle.
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Jul 7, 2009 8:40:46 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 7, 2009 8:40:46 GMT
I`ll carry on with the census while I`m on a roll ;D ;D 1861 RG9; Piece: 4284; Folio: 66; Page: 7 Rhos Berse Road Griffith Edwards 32 farm labourer. b Merionethshire. Margaret Edwards 27 Griffith Edwards 8 Isaac Edwards 6 Evan Edwards 4 Edwin Edwards 4 Mo
1851 HO107; Piece: 2504; Folio: 422; Page: 7 Llanerch Gron Uchaf , Tre Llanerch , Denbs Edward Edwards 73 farmer b Derwen Margaret Edwards 69 wife b Efenechtyd David Edwards 30 unm son b " Edward Edwards 9 gr son b LLanrhydd Edward Williams 14 servant b Efenechydd Griffith Edwards 22 servant b Llanderfel Ann Davies 18 servant b Llanelidan.
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Jul 7, 2009 9:11:12 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 7, 2009 9:11:12 GMT
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Jul 7, 2009 9:24:08 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 7, 2009 9:24:08 GMT
thankyou so much
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Jul 7, 2009 9:33:50 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 7, 2009 9:33:50 GMT
I wouldn't usually post a PM but will on this occasion as it may be of interest to not only Linda but other researchers too Hi Linda, Harriet doesn't appear on my tree so no connection there sorry The information I found was obtained from online census and service records. I searched using the info you gave and posted what I think is the info you are looking for. Clarification that this is correct should be obtained by obtaining a marriage cert, if you don't alreay have one, for Harriet as it will confirm her fathers name and occupation as I mentioned in an earlier post I have not found her marriage but if you would like us to help with this, some further info ie birth date/place of birth of eldest child would be most welcome Unsure of the correct relationship of the youngest Stephen As Annedw says "This needs to looked at more closely to see who are his parents."
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Jul 7, 2009 9:47:06 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 7, 2009 9:47:06 GMT
d**ned transcriptions. 1897 Sept qtr Civil Marriage Wrexham EDWARDS Alice Selina others on page. ELLIS Margaret WM/046/41 JARVIS John WM/046/41 JONES Robert Lewis WM/046/41 It is typed though and definately reads ALICE, it must be her though surely Here is her birth. Births Jun 1877 EDWARDS Harriet Selina Wrexham 11b 347
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Jul 7, 2009 10:08:26 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 7, 2009 10:08:26 GMT
d**ned transcriptions. 1897 Sept qtr Civil Marriage Wrexham EDWARDS Alice Selina others on page. ELLIS Margaret WM/046/41 JARVIS John WM/046/41 JONES Robert Lewis WM/046/41 Alice ALICE Who remembers Smokey?!
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Jul 7, 2009 16:28:59 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 7, 2009 16:28:59 GMT
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Jul 7, 2009 16:34:01 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 7, 2009 16:34:01 GMT
Just checked for births in Stafffs for Stephen b.c.1880, no luck 1901 only shows 3 people by this name in the Wrexham area, 2 are yours Linda and there is another b.1900. There is also Steven Edwards born 1896 so I had a look for marriages. I found two Stephen Edward marr Sep 1/4 1901 Mary Jane Jones St Giles and Mar 1/4 1903 Mary Jane Jones St Giles ;D Now who's confused! A check in the registers or purchasing the certificates should give us the info required.
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Jul 7, 2009 17:55:36 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 7, 2009 17:55:36 GMT
thankyou for all the help
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Jul 7, 2009 18:35:43 GMT
Post by tominera on Jul 7, 2009 18:35:43 GMT
Hi---- Plot 111 Coedpoeth Cemetery Griffith EDWARDS 79 yrs bur 19 7 1911 Margaret EDWARDS aged 79 yrs bur 23 3 1914 Edwin EDWARDS aged 59 yrs 27 11 1920 All smack on date of birth Plot 1386 Coedpoeth Cemetery-- Isaac EDWARDS aged 72 yrs bur 5 10 1927 also smack on dob. There are 4 more in this grave if you want details but they are not EDWARDS--Tom
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Jul 7, 2009 19:32:48 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 7, 2009 19:32:48 GMT
Going back to Stephen b Hanley. In 1881 we have Stable Row, Vron RG11/5517, F.9, P.10 Evan is married but where is his wife. Griffith Edwards Evan " son M 23 coal miner b." In 1891 Isaac and Evan are not at home. This looks like Evan living in Hanley where Stephen was supposedly born. Given the fact that one son is named Griffith after his father ???and another Edwin after his brother , I think this family could be linked to Stephen. 1891RG12; Piece: 2167; Folio 70; Page 25; 32 Back Well St, Hanley, Evan Edwards 33 collier b Denbs Sarah Ann Edwards 29 wife b Denbs Edwin Edwards 8 b Hanley Griffith Edwards 4 b Hanley. Now there is no marriage of an Evan Edwards to a Sarah Ann in Wrexham, BUT there is this one in Stoke Marriages Dec 1880 Clewlow Samuel Stoke T. 6b 394 Edwards Evan Stoke upon Trent 6b 394 JONES Sarah Ann Stoke T. 6b 394 Lilley Rose Ann Stoke T. 6b 394 We couldn`t find a Stephen Edwards BUT what about this one. Births Dec 1880 Jones Stephen Stoke upon Trent 6b 162 I wouldn`t mind a fiver on the chances of this being `our` Stephen , born just before his parents got married. Of course I could be completely wrong. But now I `ve found this so I think my fiver is safe. ;D 1881 RG11; Piece: 2717; Folio: 41; Page: 28; 47 Church Street Hanley Stoke on Trent Sarah Ann Edwards married age 20 coal miners wife Servant b Coed Poett, Flintshire, Wales She is in the household of a Edward Williams a Grocer from Lixwm Flints, I wonder why Evan went back to his parents with little Stephen, at least they got back together again even if Stephen stayed in Coedpoeth. 1901 RG13; Piece: 2600; Folio: 81; Page: 29. Evan, Sarah Ann, Edwin and Griffith are still living in Hanley. 34 Well Street, all the men are coal hewers below. There are no more children. Right, I think I need a John Smiths after all that. ;D ;D ;D
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Jul 8, 2009 6:44:33 GMT
Post by joanandkevin on Jul 8, 2009 6:44:33 GMT
Going back to Stephen b Hanley. In 1881 we have Stable Row, Vron RG11/5517, F.9, P.10 Evan is married but where is his wife. Griffith Edwards Evan " son M 23 coal miner b." In 1891 Isaac and Evan are not at home. This looks like Evan living in Hanley where Stephen was supposedly born. Given the fact that one son is named Griffith after his father ???and another Edwin after his brother , I think this family could be linked to Stephen. 1891RG12; Piece: 2167; Folio 70; Page 25; 32 Back Well St, Hanley, Evan Edwards 33 collier b Denbs Sarah Ann Edwards 29 wife b Denbs Edwin Edwards 8 b Hanley Griffith Edwards 4 b Hanley. Now there is no marriage of an Evan Edwards to a Sarah Ann in Wrexham, BUT there is this one in Stoke Marriages Dec 1880 Clewlow Samuel Stoke T. 6b 394 Edwards Evan Stoke upon Trent 6b 394 JONES Sarah Ann Stoke T. 6b 394 Lilley Rose Ann Stoke T. 6b 394 We couldn`t find a Stephen Edwards BUT what about this one. Births Dec 1880 Jones Stephen Stoke upon Trent 6b 162 I wouldn`t mind a fiver on the chances of this being `our` Stephen , born just before his parents got married. Of course I could be completely wrong. But now I `ve found this so I think my fiver is safe. ;D 1881 RG11; Piece: 2717; Folio: 41; Page: 28; 47 Church Street Hanley Stoke on Trent Sarah Ann Edwards married age 20 coal miners wife Servant b Coed Poett, Flintshire, Wales She is in the household of a Edward Williams a Grocer from Lixwm Flints, I wonder why Evan went back to his parents with little Stephen, at least they got back together again even if Stephen stayed in Coedpoeth. 1901 RG13; Piece: 2600; Folio: 81; Page: 29. Evan, Sarah Ann, Edwin and Griffith are still living in Hanley. 34 Well Street, all the men are coal hewers below. There are no more children. Right, I think I need a John Smiths after all that. ;D ;D ;D
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Jul 8, 2009 7:30:46 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 8, 2009 7:30:46 GMT
Welcome to the site joanandkevin, What a coincidence you are connected to Linda and both only just joined I guess you know you can contact Linda by sending her a message but if not click on her highlighted name in green which directs you to her profile and then click on "send personal message." The info Annedws very kindly found relates to the 1901 census. The address was 34 Well Street. You can now search the 1911 census at this link below, but have to pay. www.1911census.co.uk/Eluned
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Jul 8, 2009 8:26:16 GMT
Post by annedw on Jul 8, 2009 8:26:16 GMT
Does any one know any thing about Thomas G Morgan whowas married Harriet Selina Jones in wrexham in 1930 he was the second husband of my great gran There are many Thomas Morgans about, to trace him we would need his appx birth year , where he was born etc. You might get this info from their marriage cerificate , or at least their ages at death. I`ll start another thread for Thomas Morgan, it`s getting a bit mixed up on this one now. Can you post your reply on this one please. minerahistory.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=neighbour&action=display&thread=865
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Jul 8, 2009 9:42:00 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 8, 2009 9:42:00 GMT
hi thanks for all the info. you said Isaac EDWARDS is buried with 4 other people have you please got there names
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Jul 8, 2009 19:31:48 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 8, 2009 19:31:48 GMT
Do you know where/when Harriet was buried/died She may be buried with 2nd husband Thomas G Morgan.
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Jul 8, 2009 21:06:25 GMT
Post by tominera on Jul 8, 2009 21:06:25 GMT
Buried with Isaac are-- Robert Ellis JONES 4 1/2 mths. bur 15 2 1923 Betty JONES 17 weeks bur 5 2 1931 Margaret Ann JONES 47 Yrs bur 30 12 1936 Robert Ellis JONES 68 Yrs bur 7 9 1954 As Isaac was buried between the first and third burial I would presume a family connection but nothing is written in stone in this business-- on second thoughts maybe it is GOOD LUCK Tom
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Jul 9, 2009 6:36:46 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 9, 2009 6:36:46 GMT
in 1901 Sarah a Williams age 11 and cecillia paige aged 3 are listed as grandaughters by process of elimination and different surnames wondering if sarah a williams is Mary elizabeth edwards daughter and cecilia paige is sarah jane edwards daughter
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Jul 9, 2009 6:38:36 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 9, 2009 6:38:36 GMT
also in 1871 Margerat and griffith edwards are listed as having a son named john aged 4 but hes not there in 1881 also in 1861 margerat and griffith have a son named griffith aged 8 and again hes not there in 1871
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Jul 9, 2009 6:40:05 GMT
Post by linda on Jul 9, 2009 6:40:05 GMT
I have found a harriet s edwards born 1873 in wrexham denbighshire and her parent are isaac and elizabeth wondering if this is griffith and magerat edwards son issaac
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Jul 9, 2009 8:58:03 GMT
Post by eluned on Jul 9, 2009 8:58:03 GMT
in 1901 Sarah a Williams age 11 and cecillia paige aged 3 are listed as grandaughters by process of elimination and different surnames wondering if sarah a williams is Mary elizabeth edwards daughter and cecilia paige is sarah jane edwards daughter It may be worth you looking for the parents of these children in the census and any possible marriages too. www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/bmd_welcome.htmlalso in 1871 Margerat and griffith edwards are listed as having a son named john aged 4 but hes not there in 1881 also in 1861 margerat and griffith have a son named griffith aged 8 and again hes not there in 1871 Have you checked for any deaths or tried to find them on the census living away from their parents? eluned
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