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Post by eluned on Sept 18, 2009 18:29:49 GMT
Having a look at the other John Mason's family . 1841 WrexhamJohn Mason 39 Corn Dealer Beast Market Ann " 27 Emma " 19 John " 12 Edward " 10 All born in county. 1851Beast Market HO107/2503, f.490, pg.35 John Mason H unm 22 grocer & provision dealer John Mason father wid 53 maltster Emma Mason sister unm 29 housekeeper Edward Mason brother " 20 grocer & ironmonger James Mason " 7 Thomas Mason " 6 Mary Ann Mason sister 5 All b.Wrexham Mary Dawson servant 20 b.Salop John senior above, appears to be the one who died 17th April 1860 and his son John, living in Newton Heath, Manchester, was the informant. He was noted as Proprietor of Houses on his death cert.
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Post by eluned on Sept 18, 2009 20:35:30 GMT
So was Ann, John senior's wife? If so it looks as though he must have been married before and she died c.1831-1837. Ann Mason death reg. Wrexham Mar 1/4 1849 There is a marriage at St Giles Dec 1/4 1840 John Mason to Ann Thomas/Elizabeth Jones And then there was this marriage, a possible for his first wife John Mason to Mary Owens 11 Mar 1820 Wrexham- found on IGI Too many John & Marys
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Post by eluned on Sept 18, 2009 21:59:27 GMT
So lets take a look at his son John. 1861 Newton Heath, ManchesterOldham Rd RG9/2965, f.87, pg.40 John Mason H mar 32 shoe dealer b.Wrexham Elizabeth " wife 32 b.Newton Heath, Manchester Thomas " brother 16 app. shoemaker b.Wrexham 1871 Wrexham RG10/5658, f.78, pg.32 4 Park View John Mason H mar 42 retired grocer b.Wrexham Elizabeth Mason wife 42 b.Manchester Emma Evans sister wid 49 annuitant b.Wrexham Margaret Williams serv 15 b. Moss, DEN At no. 3 Ellen Mason H unm 65 income from houses b.Wrexham Samuel " brother unm 50 retired grocer b." 1881 Wrexham RG11/5519, f.47, pg. 34 4 Park View John Mason H mar 50 occupation left blank b.Wrexham Elizabeth Mason wife 50 b.Newton Heath, Manchester Elizabeth A. Mason niece unm 14 b.Irlam, Lancs Catherine Mathews serv 19 b.Ruabon 1891 Wrexham RG12/4618, f.20, pg.26 4 Park View John Mason H mar 62 living on own means b.Wrexham Mary Mason wife 46 b.Holt Elizabeth Edwards serv 25 b.Brymbo Next address Beaconsfield, Holt Road. Edmund Mason H mar 64 (o)il merchant retired b.Wrexham Anne Mason wife 55 b. Manchester Mary Mason daur 33 b." Elizabeth E Mason " 27 b." William M. (Jeverns) g.son 13 b." Elizabeth Smith serv 20 b.Eyton, DEN Deaths reg. WrexhamJun 1/4 1892 John Mason 63yrs Jun 1/4 1896 Mary Mason 52yrs Jun 1/4 1888 Elizabeth Mason 60yrs Ruabon Rd CemeteryElizabeth Mason 60yrs HOLT STREET TERRACE 26/06/1888 plot 02717 John Mason 63yrs PARK VIEW WREXHAM 23/04/1892 02717 Mary Mason 52yrs PARK VIEW,WREXHAM 27/06/1896 02770 Marriage reg. Wrexham St GilesJohn Mason to Mary Harrison/Emma Jones Sep 1/4 1889
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Post by eluned on Sept 19, 2009 13:12:25 GMT
Looking for daughter Emma marrried ? Evans between 1851-1871 1871 she is widowed and living with brother John. 1881 Wrexham RG11/5519, f.12, pg.18 3 Bryndraw Terr Emma Evans wid 59 annuitant b.Wrexham boarding with the Pierce family. 1891 Wrexham RG12/4618, f.20, pg.26 8 Holt St Terr Emma Evans H wid 69 b.Wrexham Elizabeth A. Mason niece unm 24 b.Manchester, Lancs OK Annette You said you wondered what would turn up if we looked at other members of the family ;D I think you had already had a look ....... 1901 Wrexham 1 Holt St Buildings William Chaloner H mar 48 grocer shopkeeper Elizabeth A Chaloner wife 35 James F M Chaloner son 2 Jennie L H Chaloner daur 6mth Emma Evans aunt wid 80 living on own means Elizabeth Roberts serv 15 All born Wrexham Previous address... Beaconsfield House Edward Mason H mar 74 retired oil merchant b.Wrexham Anne Mason wife 65 b. Manchester Mary Mason daur 43 b." Elizabeth Mason " 37 b." Ellen Puras serv 28 b.Ellesmere, Shropshire Marriage Wrexham St GilesWilliam Challoner to Elizabeh A. Mason Jun 1/4 1898
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Post by eluned on Sept 19, 2009 15:53:38 GMT
and son Thomas Mason Birth reg Sep 1/4 1844 Wrexham 1861 with his brother John in Newton Heath. 1871 Salford RG10/4027, f. 67, pg.12 Turner St Thomas Mason unm 25 clerk b.Wrexham lodging with Hartley family.
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 10:06:51 GMT
now James.. Birth reg. Wrexham Dec 1/4 1842 1861 Wrexham RG9/4288, f.8, pg.29 Lodging with Francis Hyde & his family, a grocer James Mason unm 18 coach painter b.Wrexham 1871 Wrexham RG10/5658, f.98, pg.23 12 Crescent Terr James Mason H mar 28 coach painter b.Wrexham Emma Mason wife 24 b.Irlam, Lancs John Mason son 1mo b.Wrexham Elizabeth Ann Mason daur 6 sch b.Irlam, Lancs Ellen Mason " 2 b.Manchester Elizabeth Mason cousin unm 26 visitor/ no occupation b.Wrexham
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Post by ronniemason on Sept 20, 2009 15:10:04 GMT
Hey, You have been busy! Just back from Minera and Wern Graves saw all I wanted to see and took a few pics for Tom. I'm a bit tired right now, but I will study all your findings and take up the thead tomorrow. Thanks
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 16:19:17 GMT
continuing with James James Mason marr Manchester Jun 1/4 1865 Emma Barker/Ann Woodruff 1881 Barton upon Irwell, Lancashire RG11/3884, f.71, pg.48 Liverpool Road Living with Peter Wrigley 40 provision dealer & Amelia his wife b.Chester and their 7 children Emma Mason sister wid 33 fustian cutter b.Irlam John H. Mason son of a nephew 5 b.Manchester Eliza Barker sister unm 30 fustian cutter b.Irlam rmhh.co.uk/occup/f.htmlFustian cutters/weavers Theres a death reg. Barton upon Irwell James Mason 36yrs Sep 1/4 1879
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 16:29:18 GMT
Also Mary Ann, birth reg. Wrexham Jun 1/4 1846 Struggling with this one
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 16:38:04 GMT
I seem to have forgotten Edward I can't seem to find him either but there is a death reg. Wrexham Jun 1/4 1852 for an Edward Mason , no age given though
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 16:57:06 GMT
Then there is Edmund the Oil Merchant who sounds interesting We already have him in 1891/1901 1871 Market Street, Manchester RG10/4046, f.50, pg.20 Edmund Mason H mar 44 ?? b.DEN Ann Mason 35 Emily J Mason daur 20 Mary Mason " 14 Fanny Mason "11 Elizabeth E Mason " 7 All born Manchester Elizabeth Jones serv 26 b.Flintshire Could someone try and read Edmund's occupation please? 1881 Chorlton on Medlock, Lancs RG11/3917, f.62, pg.15 Edmund Mason H mar 54 shopkeeper b.Wrexham Anne Mason wife 45 Mary Mason daur 23 Fanny Mason " 21 Elizabeth Ellen Mason " 17 Wm.Mason Jerrems g.son 3 All born Manchester Fred Faulkner boarder 9 b.Blackburn
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Post by ronniemason on Sept 20, 2009 18:12:53 GMT
Eluned if you mean 1871 Market Street profession is "something- man warehouse. very hard to see
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 18:39:00 GMT
Thanks Ronnie, could well be something warehouse.
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 18:47:32 GMT
7 Jan 1827 bap/o Edmond MASON (JONES) base s/o Thomas JONES (shoemaker) of Charles Street & Jane MASON (servant) of Beast Market
Wrexham and Denbighshire Weekly Advertiser Saturday, March 28, 1857 No. 165.- vol. 1V. Marriages On the 25th inst., at the Cathedral, Manchester, by the Rev. R. BUTLER, M.A. rector of St. Silas, Ardwick, Mr. EDMUND MASON, (formerly of Wrexham), from the house of her uncle, Mr. COUNCILLOR MIDDLETON, ANNE, only daughter of the late Mr. BENJAMIN MIDDLETON, all of that city.
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Post by eluned on Sept 20, 2009 21:18:30 GMT
1861 Chorlton on Medlock, Lancs 34 Percival St Edmond Mason H mar 34 shopman, candle & oil dealer b.Wrexham Ann Mason wife 25 Emily J Mason daur 10 Mary Mason " 3 Fanny Mason " 1 Robert B Middleton bro in law 20 All born Manchester
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Post by annedw on Sept 21, 2009 10:05:00 GMT
From the Wills on line I found these. I`ve just put names and relationships mentioned. They seem to be the same family .
William Mason. Shoemaker. Wrexham. Will dated 1829 My beloved wife, (un named) Mary Mason (named later) John Mason, Grocer My Son Edward, shoemaker. Signed by X Mary Mason, Signed John Mason Signed Edward Mason
Edward Mason Shoemaker Wrexham. Dated 1837 Admon of the goods of Edward Mason Shoemaker.Granted 4th April 1837. Mary Mason, the mother and next of kin. Signed X of Mary Mason. Signed James Mason.
William Mason. Shoemaker. Wrexham Admin dated 23 Aug 1850 John Mason, the heir, lawful son and one of the next of kin. John Mason of the Beast market Wrexham.Grocer. Samuel Mason, Shoemaker John Mason the younger Signed by John Mason, Samuel Mason, John Mason Jnr.
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Post by annedw on Sept 21, 2009 16:26:55 GMT
Wrexham Advertiser May 1st 1852 Death On the 25th ult., EDWARD MASON, Son of Mr. MASON, of the Beast-Market, Wrexham, aged 21.
He must be the son of John the maltster, see 1851 Wrexham census
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Post by eluned on Sept 21, 2009 17:01:08 GMT
I seem to have forgotten Edward I can't seem to find him either but there is a death reg. Wrexham Jun 1/4 1852 for an Edward Mason , no age given though and a match for the death I found so its beginning to fall into place
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Post by eluned on Sept 21, 2009 17:47:34 GMT
Then there were these two 1871 Wrexham RG10/5658, f.78, pg.32 4 Park View John Mason H mar 42 retired grocer b.Wrexham
At no. 3 Ellen Mason H unm 65 income from houses b.Wrexham Samuel " brother unm 50 retired grocer b."
1881 Wrexham RG11/5519, f.47, pg.33 8 Holt ST Terr Samuel Mason H unm 60 Ellen Mason sister unm 70 John Mason Jones nephew 12 scholar All born Wrexham
1851 Wrexham HO107/2503, f.490, pg.34 Beast Market, sch 138 Samuel Mason H unm 30 boot & shoe manufacturer b.Wrexham Ellen Mason sister unm 36 b."
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Post by ronniemason on Sept 21, 2009 19:12:33 GMT
How do you do it? Wow! I have written it all down moved it around, turned it upside down and inside out and I still can't see how to connect all this to my John, my mind is spinning. HELP!!!! Ronnie
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Post by annedw on Sept 22, 2009 15:31:59 GMT
I don`t think this family of Masons are closely connected, unless it`s from much earlier. Perhaps John senior was a brother to an earlier one of this lot. Anyway, I spent an hour in Cefn this afternoon, and found something and nothing. This is all the burials and related details I found, St Giles 1833-1843 Burials Wrexham1834 June 19 Sarah Mason 29 Beast Market 1836 June 10 Jane Mason 39 Beast Market 1837 Nov 25 Agnes Mason Infant Bersham 1843 - 1853 Burials Wrexham1843 March 9 Mary Mason 2 Bersham 1843 June 21 John Mason 54 WA 1843/44?? 1847 Jan William Mason Infant 1848 Aug 4 George Mason 5 WR 1849 Mar 2 Anne Mason 35 WA 1849 Nov 28 Mary Mason 78 WR 1852 Apr 3 Edward Mason 21 WR 1852 Nov 31 James Mason 42 WR St Giles MIs90 Edward Mason ? 1836 age 11 91 Henry Mason ? 1821 infant 91 E Mason 1823 infant 91 Elizabeth w/o John Mason 30 June 1823 aged 42 194 William Mason 10 Oct 1828 aged 58 194 Mary w/o William 21 Nov 1849 aged 78 Ruthin Road MI`s 8 Margaret Mason wife March 19 1870 age 59 8 Thomas Mason husband Feb ?6 1871 age 57 8 Thomas Mason son July 7 1855 8 John Mason son July ? 18 ? age 31 9 Ellen w/o Samuel Mason 1865 Holt Street 9 Samuel h/o Ellen Born Feb 1818 died 25 April 1884 9 Thomas and Anne Whitley. That `ll take some sorting through
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