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Post by John Hughes on Nov 24, 2006 9:21:01 GMT
My great grand father Thomas Hughes born 1844 at Llangadfan Powys and his wife Margaret Hughes according to the 1881 census they were living at Pentre Isa Broughton Wrexham with children Elizabeth/Hugh/Robert/David. In 1887 Thomas was killed in an accident at Gatewen colliery I have a copy of the inquest which was held at the Castle inn Brynteg. I cannot find out where they buried Thomas does anyone have any ideas where I can look apparently he is not buried at Ruabon road cemetery in Wrexham. John
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Post by llosgi calch on Nov 24, 2006 11:01:08 GMT
Im not sure if John is a local or not, but I would suggest John pays a visit to the genfair website and purchases some memorial inscriptions for cemeteries' of the immediate area's of Pentre Broughton, Caego, Southsea & Brynteg. With the family of Thomas Hughes living in Pentre Broughton, him working locally at Gatewen Colliery and the inquest being at the Castle Inn I would have thought he would not be to far away. It would be suprising if he had been buried in Wrexham, so its best to start in the immediate area. Just hope he has his name on a headstone. Another option is to visit the museum in Wrexham and view the local newspapers of that time. The accident may well be documented and details given of his burial and maybe his obituary. This will pinpoint his burial. This option I had to undertake to confirm the burial of my gt grandfather whose details had not been included on the family stone.
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Post by annedw on Nov 24, 2006 12:34:40 GMT
What date did he die. Month ?? There are many Thomas Hughes` around.
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Post by John Hughes on Nov 24, 2006 14:56:20 GMT
Annetteedwards.... The date of death for Thomas was 26th May 1883 inquest date was recorded in the Wrexham advertiser 4 June 1887.................................. I live in Sussex so a visit to Wrexham museum is difficult
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Post by llosgi calch on Nov 24, 2006 16:21:10 GMT
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Post by annedw on Nov 24, 2006 16:22:24 GMT
Can you recheck the dates, 1883/1887
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Post by John Hughes on Nov 25, 2006 12:39:40 GMT
annetteedwards........................................1887....................................... sorry typing error thomas died 26th may 1887 inquest was 4th june 1887.
Llosgi calch............... i will have a look at that genefair site
john sussex.
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Post by John Hughes on Jan 18, 2007 12:29:48 GMT
no trace of thomas hughes so far i am begining to think they must have interred him down the bottom of the garden..................................... compost? another thought was cremation available in1887.
john
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Post by annedw on Jan 18, 2007 15:27:55 GMT
The only two churches I can find that might be worth looking at are Holy Trinity in Gwersyllt opened 1851 and Brymbo which is much earlier. They both have graveyards. He wasn`t non conformist was he ??
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Post by nainffrith4 on Jan 19, 2007 12:06:17 GMT
Hi, You could try St Paul's church in Pentre Broughton. Norma
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Post by annedw on Jan 19, 2007 13:48:42 GMT
Yes, that was my first thought, but it is too late, the first service was 1889, There is a good bit of information on the CFH site about St Pauls. and it seems there were also a few non conformist burial grounds about as well I suppose the best bet is to try the parish registers for the Churches first. www.clwydfhs.org.uk/churches/BroughtonDEN/The link below about St Giles and Wrexham gives a good acount of how the townships were divided into `new` parishes, 1844 Broughton became part of Brymbo parish, so maybe it is worth a look there first. www.clwydfhs.org.uk/churches/Wrexham/index.html
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Post by annedw on Jan 23, 2007 17:52:30 GMT
Had a look in Brymbo and Gwersyllt, but can`t see him there.
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Post by John Hughes on Feb 3, 2007 10:26:17 GMT
I have also checked the wrexham cemetery database at ruabon road also the brake chapel burial registers, the only one i can think of now is the old ruthin road cemetery in wrexham has any member got access to that database? where are you tom?
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Post by annedw on Feb 3, 2007 20:54:24 GMT
There is only a MI list at Wrexham A N Palmer Museum, sadly no burial register.
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Post by John Hughes on Feb 4, 2007 21:26:21 GMT
Thanks Annette I will contact the A.N. Palmer centre to see if there were any Thomas Hughes in the MI list
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Post by Hen Locsin on Feb 6, 2007 20:52:35 GMT
John, I see from the Newspaper report of the inquest, .... " Thomas Hughes aged 44 a fitter at Gatewen Colliery, residing at Poolmouth, who died very suddenly, and without medical attendance" This may offer some further help to our administrators, in that I think that Poolmouth, was part of Moss. Whish may offer other options to where Thomas is buried. Other snippets from the Newspaper article which may be of interest:- " The Coroner regretted that he could not agree with the verdict, and should a similar event transpire in the district, he would order a post mortem examination of the body" Finally " The inquest had caused considerable interest in the locality and much sympathy was felt for the Widow who is left with the family of five young children." His wife was Margaret Hughes, but you probably have that information already. Regrettably I had insufficent time to search the newspaper further, due to closing time! Hope that this may help in some small way. I have looked at the "Old Maps " site and Poolmouth is shown and its modern day equivalent can be located. Hen Locsin
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Post by John Hughes on Feb 7, 2007 14:15:03 GMT
Hen locsin [what does that mean?] Thanks for looking in the Wrexham advertiser inquest report ,yes I do have a copy of the inquest............... Margaret eventually went to Pentre issa Broughton in the 1881/91 census's and 2 rRchmond terrace Broughton in the 1901 census.
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Post by annedw on Feb 7, 2007 17:47:09 GMT
I know roughly where Poolmouth is, I have always known it as the `Argie` or `Aggy`. It`s near where Moss Valley lake is, and many many years ago there was a community of houses, inns and a chapel, all serving the people that worked in the collierys. Now there are about three houses, and two of those are converted from old pubs. Poolmouth was the area at the bottom end of Broughton - the Halfway Inn came under Poolmouth, and the area known as the Lighthouse on Wrexham Road (near to the bottom of Rose hill) was also Poolmouth. Use the link below, you will find the area, where the red circle is - move to the right to the Parking sign , follow the stream to the school and Poolmouth is the area below. www.multimap.com/map/photo.cgi?client=public&X=330500&Y=352500&width=700&height=400&gride=330000&gridn=353000&srec=0&coordsys=gb&db=&pc=ll129tg&zm=0&scale=10000&out.x=6&out.y=4It will help if you know whether Thomas was non conformist or a church goer. There were lots of chapels in that area, some converted to houses, but a few still there but disused, but with burial grounds. If he was chapel, then he may in the Brake chapel MIs - . There are also MIs for Caersalem, Pentre Broughton but not sure about dates for that I am almost certain that there are no burial grounds in Gwersyllt except the Church. I need to look at that PR again so will double check. Sorry not to have more details.
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Post by John Hughes on Feb 9, 2007 15:11:56 GMT
I think that Thomas must have been non conformist, I know that Thomas and Margaret never married............... Margaret's surname was also Hughes so I presume they just lived together as a name change for Margaret was not required.
interesting map nice to see where it all happened.
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Post by John Hughes on Feb 23, 2007 12:41:07 GMT
Looks like they must have buried Thomas down the bottom of the garden with the compost, how can we lose track of his burial it's not natural, we can pinpoint his death and the inquest, but then nothing. 3rd brickwall!!!!!!!!!
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