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Post by linda on Oct 18, 2009 8:32:06 GMT
hi i am trying to trace john edwards griffith edwards and margaret edwards son he was aged 4 in the 1871 census living at Rhos Berse Bersham his father was a horse keeper also he had a brother Griffith edwards aged 8 in th 1861 census but hes not there in the 1871 census dont kno how to trace them from here thanks x
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Post by eluned on Oct 18, 2009 8:44:08 GMT
in 1871 Margerat and griffith edwards are listed as having a son named john aged 4 but hes not there in 1881 also in 1861 margerat and griffith have a son named griffith aged 8 and again hes not there in 1871 Have you checked for any deaths or tried to find them on the census living away from their parents? eluned
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Post by linda on Oct 18, 2009 8:50:20 GMT
how do i do that i am still new at this do I search in wales census
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Post by eluned on Oct 18, 2009 9:11:24 GMT
Hi They are going to be quite difficult to trace as they have common names. I just had a look for John Edwards deaths registered in Wrexham between 1871-1881 and there are 17 So searching for a death isn't really an option. You could search for burials but even then, you may not get enough proof from the information given in the register to say they are definately the people you are looking for. If you do decide to look for burials, knowing the family's religion would be helpful ie did they go to church or chapel? You could try looking in the census for the children living away from home but again, common names so it would be difficult to say if they are the correct ones. Sorry but I can't really help you any further with this eluned
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Post by jojo on Oct 20, 2009 2:20:37 GMT
Hi Linda
I did a search on freeBMD.org.uk for any deaths of Griffith Edwards between 1861 and 1871. Only one came up in Wrexham, age 17, GRO reference Jun Q 1870 vol 11b page 237 NorthWales BMD states the death took place in Wrexham Sub District which I believe would include Bersham. The local registrar's reference is WM/026/7.
If this is "your" Griffith Edwards and his young brother John (c1867) died between 1871 and 1881, if you can find the burial of Griffith you may also find John Edwards with him. I looked on freebmd for John Edwards 1861-1871 but none of the ages fit. There were two aged 17. You might want to ask the Wrexham registrar to check the ages at death of those two in case there was a clerical error.
Best Heather
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Post by annedw on Oct 20, 2009 9:59:07 GMT
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Post by tominera on Oct 20, 2009 12:51:30 GMT
Hi, This may help but not enough info to be sure In Plot 111 in Coedpoeth Cemetery Griffith EDWARDS 79 yrs bur 19 7 1911 Margaret EDWARDS 80 yrs bur 23 3 1914 Estyn EDWARDS 59 yrs bur 27 11 1920 Also in Plot 535 there is a John Edwards 47 yrs bur 9 4 1904 and Gwyneth Edwards 14 days bur 4 6 1918 There are some really good dob's Good Luck Tom
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Post by joanandkevin on Oct 23, 2009 13:59:50 GMT
Thankyou for all your help.I have found that Griffith Edwardswho listed as a servant for Edward Edwards( but do not think they are related)On the 1881 cencus. Ihave however found a John Edwards who was married to either Ellenor Elinor in Amlwch Angsey they had a son born 16/06/1830 could this be the missing link are are they his parents?I can trace griffith right from his servant days he was 22 on the 1881 cencus,can you help?also do you have any of the family listed on the 1911 cencus?
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Post by eluned on Oct 23, 2009 15:20:27 GMT
Hi joan&kevin, I'm getting confused Nothing new there ;D Do you mean the Griffith Edwards listed here in 18511851 HO107; Piece: 2504; Folio: 422; Page: 7 Llanerch Gron Uchaf , Tre Llanerch , Denbs Edward Edwards 73 farmer b Derwen Margaret Edwards 69 wife b Efenechtyd David Edwards 30 unm son b " Edward Edwards 9 gr son b LLanrhydd Edward Williams 14 servant b Efenechydd Griffith Edwards 22 servant b LlanderfelAnn Davies 18 servant b Llanelidan. This Griiffth is born Llanderfel. You would have to buy his marriage certificate to enable you to find out his fathers name and occupation. Please see the "family" thread for information regarding his marriage and continue to post on there to avoid duplication of information. If this is not the one you are now searching for, could you possibly post all the census details, inc reference, of this family on a new thread to enable others to help you further. Eluned
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Post by joanandkevin on Oct 23, 2009 17:34:45 GMT
yes it is the griffith edwards who was a servant as you said above
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Post by joanandkevin on Nov 14, 2009 15:56:50 GMT
Can any one help me please ?Still on the Griffith Edwards familly. Griffith had a daughter called Mary born1864.She worked as a domestic servant for Thomas Humphreys who was a minister i found this in the 1851 census, Mary was 17years old then. I am trying to fInd if it is the same Mary Edwards who went to live in Pensyvaina.In 1864 She married edward edwards in1885 and went on to have six children two are unknown the others are George ,Arthur, Jennie,and Fabricious Mary lived in Warminster Township Bucks.Pennsylvania
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Post by eluned on Nov 16, 2009 10:53:38 GMT
Hi Joan&Kevin, Its best to work back from the person you are researching, in this case start with Mary in Pennsylvania. eluned
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Post by annedw on Nov 16, 2009 14:51:06 GMT
1881 RG11; Piece: 5577; Folio: 53; Page: 16 Thomas J Humphreys. head. Mary E Edwards the servant was born in Flintshire, Wrexham is in Denbighshire.
She is a different person, Griffiths daughter Mary Elizabeth was still at home in 1881.
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Post by joanandkevin on Nov 16, 2009 18:01:15 GMT
THANKYOU HAVE YOU ANY TRACE OF THE MARY I AM LOOKING FOR AFTER THE AGE OF 17 WHEN SHE WAS LIVING AT HOME WITH HER FAMILY? AS I CANOT FIND ANY TRACE OF HER
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Post by annedw on Nov 16, 2009 20:42:48 GMT
I am the same person who has answered your question on another genealogy site. I can only suggest what I said there.
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Post by joanandkevin on Nov 17, 2009 10:04:31 GMT
ok thankyou
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Post by joanandkevin on Sept 25, 2010 22:57:51 GMT
you have helped me in the past .tracing my familly again i have reached a brick wall in plot 1386 atcoedpoeth cemertry there are several people isac edwards which i know was the son of griffith edwards my great great granfather.but aslo there is a robert ellis jones aged 68 died 07/09/1954 robert ellis jones aged 4 died 15/02/1923 betty jones aged 5weeks died 05/02/1931 margret ann jones aged 47 died 30/12/1936 can you tell me who they are i believe they maybe the inlaws of issac but cannot find any record of this or his wifeany help with any of this would be most welcome
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Post by annedw on Sept 26, 2010 8:09:51 GMT
This is your Isaac,
1871 Adwy Clawdd, Griffith Edwards 42 Margaret Edwards 37 Isaac Edwards 16 born c 1855
If you mean that you think they are his father and mother in law, these are not likely to be his inlaws are they were born much later than Isaac,
robert ellis jones aged 68 died 07/09/1954 born c 1886 margret ann jones aged 47 died 30/12/1936 can you tell me who they are i believe they maybe the inlaws of issac but cannot find any record of this or his wife any help with any of this would be most welcome.
Perhaps looking for an obituary might help with identifying them.
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