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Post by tominera on Dec 5, 2009 15:47:18 GMT
The father of Edward Tegla Davies, William b abt 1841 Llandegla was a brother to my G Grandmother Winifred (Gwen) Davies b 4 8 1849 Llandegla--I have lots of really good info on all the family but the following extract from his autobiography has tended to throw a spanner in the works or I am misinterpreting what he is actually saying I will not say how it differs at this stage but will gladly put burial/headstone etc etc details if required if requested. His Father is buried in Bethesda Bwlchgwyn d 31/10/1908 in Tyn Groesffordd, Bwlchgwyn aged 67 yrs with his wife Mary Ann d 6/7/1922 74 yrs Here is the translation----- " My father lost his mother when he was 18 yrs old and her lineage was a mystery to me. I once met a bedridden old lady in Penygraig, Rhonda Valley about 1935. She said my father was a gentle and sincere young man and that she held an umbrella over him by his mothers grave on the day of the funeral, she was a maid in "The Hand" at the time. When I was in Merthyr Tydfil in 1922 my landlord said that one of my fathers relatives had called and would call again. Eventually a man came in and he was of the same stance and height as my father and said he was my fathers cousin. I had never heard of him but his name was Bond and his father was the brother of my fathers mother and that she was a Bond before she married and came from Pentredwr Area. After I retired I still preached in Llangollen & Pentredwr and I was having tea with the district moderator John Bond. He told me that his mother, who had died a year ago always talked about her wish to meet me as we were related. When we moved to Bwlchgwyn in 1896-Samuel & Ann Price, parents of Rev Philip Price-were our neighbours. My father came home one evening after visiting them in great exitement saying that Ann Price and he were closely related, and the connection started in Llandrillo-So who or where does the Bond connection really come in? -Tom
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Post by annedw on Dec 5, 2009 16:24:01 GMT
DAVIES , EDWARD TEGLA ( 1880 - 1967 ), minister (Meth.) and writer ; b. 31 May 1880 at Hen Giât , Llandegla, Denb. , fourth of the six children of William and Mary Ann Davies . His father was a quarryman , who was badly injured in Moel Faen quarry but continued to work there and subsequently in Mwynglawdd chalk quarry , to ward off destitution. In 1893 the family moved to Pentre'r Bais ( Gwynfryn ) and in 1896 to Bwlch-gwyn . When he was 14 years old Edward became a pupil-teacher at Bwlch-gwyn school . Tom Arfor Davies , a young teacher at Bwlch-gwyn for a short period before his untimely death, awoke his interest in the history and literature of Wales . He experienced a religious conversion after attending a preaching festival at Coedpoeth , and decided to enter the ministry . In 1901 he became a probationer and after a year on the Ffynnongroyw circuit he entered Didsbury College , Manchester . He served his ministry at Abergele , Leeds , Menai Bridge , Port Dinorwic , Tregarth (thrice), Llanrhaeadr-ym-Mochnant , Denbigh , Manchester (twice), Liverpool , Bangor and Coedpoeth . In 1908 he m. Jane Eleanor ( Nel ) Evans , Gwynlys Shop , Bwlchgwyn , and they had 3 children: Dyddgu , Arfor and Gwen . He retired in 1946 because of his wife's illness and moved to Bangor , where she d. in 1948 . He d. 9 Oct. 1967 , and was buried in Gelli cemetery , Tregarth . Shall we start in 1851 Living at Foel, Llandegla. All children b Lllandegla. HO107; Piece: 2504; Folio: 15; Page: 22 Richard Davies 38 ag lab b Llandybi ?? Denbs Elinor Davies 32 wife b Llanderfell, Merioneth. William Davies 9 Maurice Davies 6 Sarah Davies 4 Winifred Davies 2 1861 RG9; Piece: 4289; Folio: 11; Page: 15 Living at Tan Y Graig, Llandegla. Richard Davies 43 b Llandegla Ellen Davies 41 b Llanderfel Sarah Davies 14 Gwen Davies 12 Anne Davies 3 My father lost his mother when he was 18 yrs old Does this refer to Elinor William would be about 19 in 1861 and she is still alive. Not to worry , it was a long time ago and some things are not always acccurate. At least we know thar Elinor was from Llanderfell,
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Post by tominera on Dec 5, 2009 17:51:26 GMT
Mariage in St Marys Bettws Gwerfil Goch 8 May 1840 Richard Davies 23yrs B Labourer Llanarmon yn Ial father William Davies-- Labourer Elinor Morris 22yrs Sp. Servant Bettws G.G father Cadwalader Morris---Farmer Witnesses Emanuel Davies & Mary Morris Elinor died 6 10 1863 in Foel, Llandegla
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Post by annedw on Dec 5, 2009 18:16:04 GMT
Post modified, it was the wrong family. Where is Pentredwr, I only know of the one by the Horsehoe Pass.
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Post by tominera on Dec 5, 2009 18:31:39 GMT
That is the one ;D
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Post by annedw on Dec 6, 2009 10:38:21 GMT
his name was Bond and his father was the brother of my fathers mother and that she was a Bond before she married and came from Pentredwr If I`m getting this right, this would be Elinor, but she was a Morris from Llanderfel. LLANDDERFEL, a parish in the hundred of Penllyn, county Merioneth, 5 miles N.E. of Bala, and 7 S.W. of Corwen A Cadwaladr Morris in 1851 , plus all inhabitants of Llanderfel. www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llandderfel/1851p2.html I can`t suss this Bond connection out though.
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Post by annedw on Dec 6, 2009 15:04:09 GMT
When we moved to Bwlchgwyn in 1896-Samuel & Ann Price, parents of Rev Philip Price-were our neighbours Ann Price and he were closely related, and the connection started in Llandrillo
1901 RG13; Piece: 5221; Folio: 15; Page: 21. 15 Wesley Road Bwylchgwyn Samuel Price 71 b Brymbo Ann Price 72 b Llandrillo Mary A Owens dau M 32 b Brymbo Robert Owens son in law M 34 " Frances Myf Owens Gr dau 7 " Samuel P Owens Gr son 6 "
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Post by tominera on Dec 6, 2009 16:09:58 GMT
Hi, Thanks for trying and you have come to the same conclusion as me---That Elinor is a Morris and could not be a Bond so the relatives got it wrong or Tegla has misquoted the relationship--I did not establish who her father was as Cadwalladers wife would have been too young to be her mother and Cadwalader born abt 1811 could have been her brother- Tom
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Post by annedw on Dec 8, 2009 9:29:07 GMT
IGI Elinor Cadwalader Birth: 23 Sep 1817 Christening: 28 Sep 1817, Bethel Rhydywernen Hananeel & Pensingrug Indep. Llandderfel, Llanfor & Llandrillo, Merioneth, Wales Parents: Father: Cadwalader Morris Mother: Gwen
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I have just realised that Elinor is a Cadwalader , not a Morris. The person who found this for me suggested we might be dealing with patronymics . To be honest, I find this confusing.
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Post by tominera on Dec 8, 2009 10:08:51 GMT
Hi, That bapt. looks really good to me and I would feel quite confident putting info in F/t ;D Thanks Again Tom
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Post by celticar on Dec 8, 2009 17:02:09 GMT
Hi Tom Are there any Hughes connected to EDWARD TEGLA DAVIES ?? As there is a connection between Bonds living in Hen Efel, Pentredwr and Hughes from LLANDDERFEL ? Could the huges B 1795 have been a Morris before getting married?
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Post by tominera on Dec 8, 2009 19:28:19 GMT
Hi, I have just checked F/t and I do not have anyone Hughes connected to Teglas Parents or Grandparents sorry Tom
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Post by annedw on Dec 8, 2009 20:15:07 GMT
Pentrdwr newsletter 2006. The trucks from Moel Faen would travel along the narrow line, , and into Clogau quarry. This very novel system continued until the arrival of a steam wagon, the first of it’s kind in the area. It was driven by Mr Bill Bond.1901 RG13; Piece: 5248; Folio: 40; Page: 7. Hen Efel Pentrewdr William Henry Bond 41 worker at lime stone quarry b Liverpool. Catherine J wife 37 b Llantisilio Jane Eliza 11 “ Catherine Amy 9 “ John Henry 7 “ Thomas Charles 3 “ Jane Hughes mother in law widow 68 b Glyndyfrwy b 1833 So we knowCatherine Jane was a Hughes ;D 1891 RG12; Piece: 4637; Folio 38; Page 8 5 Pentre dwr, near to White Horse Inn William H Bond 30 Rockman b Liverpool. speaks both. Catherine J 28 b Llantisilio Jane E 1 “ Marriage Mar 1889 Corwen Catherine Jane Hughes / William Henry Bond. Now = it this the right Jane. 1871 RG10; Piece: 5682; Folio: 48; Page: 11 Pentre dwr , Llantisilio John Hughes 41 quarryman b Gwyddemwern Jane 36 b Corwen c 1836 Catharine J 7 b Llantisilio Ann 5 “ David 1 “ Catharine Hughes 76 mother in law , pauper b Llandefell b c 1795 There are 2 births for a Catherine Jane Hughes . 1863 / 1865 Corwen. Possible marriage Jun 1861 Corwen John Hughes / Jane Hughes. 1861 RG9; Piece: 4312; Folio: 14; Page: 11 Pentredwr John Hughes 55 stone cutter b Corwen Catharine 60 b Llanderfell Jane dau 26 b Corwen c 1835 Winifred grand daughter 5 b Llantisilio. I`m not sure about this 1851 record. Is this the same Jane Is Catherine the daughter of Hugh Davies, and children are all Catherine`s. So was she a Catherine Davies before marriage. Who is her husband. 1851 HO107; Piece: 2510; Folio: 101; Page: 9 Sarne Llanfor Hugh Davies head 88 blacksmith b Llansanfraid b c 1763 Catherine Hughes 46 dau wife of labourer b Llanderfell Jane 12 dau of labourer b Llanderfell Hugh 6 son “ b Llanfor Elizabeth 4 dau 2 b “ Where is the link with Morris. or Cadwaladar. I`m beaten
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Post by celticar on Dec 8, 2009 23:22:21 GMT
You followed the same line as me. I cant work it out either. The only connection to Pentredwr and Llanderfel and connects Bond is Hughes. The connection between the Davies and Bond is Quarrying in the same general area, if not the same Quarry at sometime. They may even have been connected via Religion. Another possible connection option is Bonds Brother John(??) who married a Jane Frances Wynne b 1845 Llantysilio. And lived nr Neath ( some children born here) and then Coleford (more children born here). Could these be the Bonds that visited Rev Davies when he was in South Wales We must have the right Bonds, with all the possible connections that are set out in the info given at begining of this thread Just how do they tie into the Davies
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Post by tominera on Dec 9, 2009 19:22:10 GMT
Hi, Sorry I cannot help anymore apart to say the marriage of Richard does appear to be correct as he had a brother Emanuel two years older than him which ties in with the Witness--- Tom
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Post by jojo on Dec 9, 2009 22:42:52 GMT
Per the IGI, a brother to Elinor David Cadwalader Birth: 22 Sep 1822 Christening: 88 08 Sep 1822, Bethel Rhydywernen Hananeel & Pensingrug Indep. Llandderfel, Llanfor & Llandrillo, Merioneth, Wales Parents: Father: Morris Cadwalader Mother: Gwen
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Post by jojo on Dec 9, 2009 22:57:12 GMT
Then again maybe not....
1841 Census HO107/1427/3/Dist 5/Folio 23/2 Festiniog, Merioneth Morris Cadwalader, age 55, ShoeM? Gwen Cadwalader, age 20 David Cadwalader, age 15 all born in county
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Post by annedw on Dec 10, 2009 11:41:15 GMT
Then again maybe not.... hdl.handle.net/10107/742940Bond, for Morris Cadwaladr. who died Intestate Dec 1836. signed 19 April 1837. `We, Gwen Cadwaldar, widow of Tyddyn Dovey, Llanderfel, Zachariah Price , farmer and William Jones of Bala, sadler. etc` The estate amounted to £50. This must be the right family but now they are using Morris as the surname A very kind person found it for me, I can`t trace it searching on Ancestry, but traced it eventualy in Llanderfell dist 18 A page 3 1841 Census Llandderfel (Nantfrayer) Mer. At ` Tyddyn Dyfi ` All born in County. Gwen MORRIS 60 1781 Farmer Cadwaladr MORRIS 30 1811 Agricultural Labourer Hugh MORRIS 30 1811 Agricultural Labourer Mary MORRIS 20 1821 David MORRIS 15 1826 On the same page is Zachariah Price aged and his family, all born in county. (Now it`s strange, but I can find Zachariah by searching, could the Morris have been missed out.) Ellinor is now married. Mary was a witness and Cadwaladr her father has died. 1851 This looks like Elinors brother Llandderfel (Nantffrayer) Mer Pen Y Bryn Cadwaladr MORRIS Head M 40 1811 Farmer 40 acres Margaret MORRIS Wife M 29 1822 Llanuwchllyn Gwen MORRIS Daughter 6 1845 Llandderfel Morris MORRIS Son 5 1846 Llandderfel John MORRIS Son 3 1848 Llandderfel Margaret MORRIS Daughter 3 mos 1851 Llandderfel John EVANS Servant 18 1833 Farm Labourer Llandderfel Jane EDWARDS Servant 15 1836 House Servant Llandderfel
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Post by tominera on Dec 10, 2009 18:17:26 GMT
Hi, I can see this thread is finding plenty of unknown relatives who I will be adding to my tree once I have absorbed all this research which you have all kindly contibuted to so thanks again Tom ;D
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