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Post by eluned on Dec 17, 2009 22:15:18 GMT
Hi I have started a new thread for this post. hello,im a new member (great site) I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A STORY OF A WALK I HAD LAST YEAR ON MINERA MOUNTAIN,I WAS WALKING BY THE OLD QUARRY AND STOPPED TO VIEW THE AREA OVER BWLCHGWYN,WHEN I CAME ACROSS A PIECE OF METEL THINKING IT WAS A BIT OF SHRAPNEL OF A BOME,I DID A QUICK CLEAN AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE ALLOY,I PUT IT IN MY POCKET AND CARRIED ON WALKING,WHEN I ARRIVED HOME(RHOS)I CLEANED IT WITH SOAPY WATER AND FOUND THAT THERE WAS A NUMBER ON ONE SIDE,THINKING IT MIGHT BE A PIECE OF AIRCRAFT I CONTACTED A FRIEND WHO IS INTO AIRCRAFT CRASHES WW2,HE PHONED ME A WEEK LATER AND HE HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH AND CAME TO A CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS A CRASHED AIRCRAFT,AND SAID ITS A PIECE OF FUSELAGE OFF A FAIREY FULMAR SIMULAR TO A SPITFIRE,IT CRASHED IN WW2 IN BLIZZARD CONDITIONS ON THE 5.2.1941 PILOT KILLED ON IMPACT (R.I.P.),WE WENT BACK THAT SUMMER AND FOUND THE IMPACT POINT IT WAS CAPABLE OF 3 TO 400 MPH,I PUT THE PIECE INTO THE IMPACT SCAR AND FOUND SMALLER PIECES,PILOTS NAME S BURDEN.DOES ANYONE KNOW MORE OF THIS. THANKS Are you interested in general information or about the death of S BURDEN specifically? Here are a couple of links which you may find of interest. www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/askalocal/pages/wwii3.shtmlwww.docstoc.com/docs/18610469/walk-directions---wrexham-county-borough-council-homepage No. 7 Stone Cross Memorial
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2009 16:16:07 GMT
Found on this site. www.naval-history.net/xDKCasAlpha1939-45Br.htmBURDEN, Sydney G, Ty/Sub Lieutenant (A), RNVR, Kestrel, 5 February 1941, air crash, killed. Death registered Wrexham Mar qtr 1941 Sydney G Burden aged 29. From the Commonwealth Graves site. In Memory of Sub-Lieutenant (A) SYDNEY GORDON BURDEN H.M.S. Kestrel., Royal Naval Volunteer Reserve who died age 29 on 05 February 1941 Husband of Winifred Eva Burden, of Streatham, London. Remembered with honour WINCHESTER (MAGDALEN HILL) CEMETERY Grave/Memorial Reference: Row F. 1. Grave 99. I would expect there to be a report in the Wrexham Advertiser, copies on microfilm at Wrexham Museum
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2009 16:38:52 GMT
Winchester Cemetery Attachments:
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Post by ago on Dec 18, 2009 17:39:30 GMT
hello annedw, thanks for the info, i went on site the CWGC but no records came up,i recently bought a book called WINGS ACROSS THE BORDER and found that it did crash minera mountain,also the site is,from new brighton up the hill come to a cattle grid,to the left on top of the ridge and starts to level out,about 200 yds impact scar can be seen just below a ruin,a book called fallen eagles has 15 crashes from minera to trevor rocks,thanks again and to eluned. p.s. what a history minera mountain has.
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Post by annedw on Dec 18, 2009 18:58:21 GMT
www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/acdata_fairey_fulmar_en.phpIt does seem to have been a Naval Plane. I know where the cattle grid is, and when I was small my Mum used to take me up the Minera mountain for picnics, there is a oblong hollow on the RH side where we used to shelter from the wind. She told me about planes crashing on the mountain, and bombs being dropped.
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Post by tominera on Dec 19, 2009 15:31:04 GMT
Hi, The hollow in the ground you refer to is what remains of the reservoirs for the Minera lead mines (there are 2-one fed into the other as required) They can be seen on this site in Location/Mountain Reservoirs. My great grandfather Thomas Evans lived almost opposite these res. in 1901 in a Cottage named Hafod y Wergar and his title in the 1901 Census really does sound grand--"Has charge of ponds which flow to Lead Mines" My grandmother always said he had a very important job as the bosses were always visiting him on Minera Mountain. Apparently it was crucial to keep a steady water supply once it was released and his job was to remove or fit a wooden board plus clod of turf as and when required in the outlet of the reservoir. Fantastic Technology in those days. I realised poor Thomas was not that important as he died in Wrexham Workhouse Infirmary 13 2 1902 and I have never found out why! I also remember several plane crashes etc on Minera Mountain and after we had been to one and brought lots of pieces of metal back with us we had a real rollicking and some of us handed our bits in to Minera School--some were labelled and put in a huge wooden cupboard with Fossils and other weird and wonderful objects. Tom
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Post by ago on Dec 19, 2009 15:52:08 GMT
hello tom,the impact scar is on a slope and only 6 feet wide by 3 feet,and pieces of alloy in and around the area,good story though the nearest building is BRYN HEULWEN FARM.i wonder if pieces are still in the school,
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Post by annedw on Dec 20, 2009 14:44:19 GMT
Marriage of Sydney G Burden and Winifred E Boucher Oct-Nov-Dec 1935 Croydon Surrey. Possibly they had children by the time he died. A little more about Sydney, he was a member of Redhill Flying club and gained his certificate in 1939. RH column of certificates www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1939/1939-1-%20-%200081.html
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Post by ago on Dec 20, 2009 19:57:09 GMT
thanks, i think i have enough info to erect some sort of memorial,maybe a cross of stones with all details next year,(when its warmer) not sure about permission though but cant see any objections,
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Post by kelly on Dec 20, 2009 21:15:39 GMT
Dear all i have always been told by my mother Megan kelly(davies) re this plane crash-- that my grandfather Glyn Davies (TY BRITH) at the time of the crash whilst farming on the mountain was also a special constable. the day/night of the crash he went in search of the pilot. Unfortunateley he got caught in a terrible blizzard became disorientated and was lost for several hours. he was eventually found by Dai the park ( David williams farmed the park farm for over half a century up to about 1980. Mother has always said dai saved her father Glyn,s life that night.
With regard to a memorial Wynnstay estates retain the shooting rights on all the mountain so may be advisable to contact them.
regards Dave Kelly grandson Glyn Davies TY BRITH ( author Minera )
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Post by ago on Dec 21, 2009 12:52:34 GMT
hello, lot of information on this crash (wings across the border volume 2 page 181)involving names of locals who helped. or maybe another crash in 1937 hawker hart(page 151)esclusham,pilot simpson,shows picture(copyright) looks like brymbo in background, with policeman and gamekeeper standing over the wreck,
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Post by ann35a on Dec 26, 2009 15:00:51 GMT
There is a photograph of Sydney Burden's grave stone on the War Graves Photographic Project site. twgpp.org/information.php?id=1704895 I too remember childhood stories of the plane crashes from my father who was in the Home Guard and spent many hours at a post on Minera Mountain. Ann
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Post by colcon on Dec 29, 2009 15:15:52 GMT
May I add something here about 'Dai the Park' (David William Jones, 16/17 Ruthin Road, Bwlchgwyn) who farmed Park Farm, Minera for over 50 years) credited by Dave Kelly's mother as having saved the life of his grandfather Glyn Davies on the night of the 5 Feb plane crash.
The following is an extract from the booklet 'Air War over Denbighshire & Flintshire 1939-45' by Flight Lieutenant Ivor Wynne Jones: (1944) 29 Jan: A Bwlchgwyn man severly injured after treading on a hand grenade while walking on Minera Mountain. The mountain is used by the Army for training.
This unnamed Bwlchgwyn man was in fact 'Dai the Park' (known to his relatives always as Davy William or Dei but never as Dai) who suffered multiple injuries to his right leg, left hand and to his face including the loss of one eye.
Davy William/Dei may well have lost his own life from this 1944 accident had it not been for the actions of Mr Trevor Morris, Hafod Farm. As they say, one good turn deserves another.
The booklet referred to by Ivor Wynne Jones (longtime Daily Post reporter/columnist, historian and author) is also included as an article (45 pages) in Volume 26 (1977) issue of the Denbighshire Historical Society Transactions.
For 5 Feb 1941 is included: Fairey Fulmar No. N4074 crashed and wrecked on Minera Mountain. Pilot killed.
A correction to Dave Kelly's 20 Dec Post. David William Jones farmed Park Farm until well into the 1990s. He had given up farming only a few years before his death aged 84 in 1998. His ashes were thrown into the wind on his beloved Minera Mountain.
Regards (from one of his nephews)
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Post by annedw on Jan 3, 2010 15:42:08 GMT
Going back to the pilot who was killed. Sydney Gordon Burden. Now we have his date of birth and adress in 1939 Great Britain, Royal Aero Club Aviators’ Certificates, 1910-1950 Attachments:
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Post by ago on Jan 10, 2010 17:59:55 GMT
IMPACT POINT PICTURE ATTACHED Attachments:
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Post by ago on Mar 28, 2010 21:52:47 GMT
THIS IS A BETTER PICTURE YOU CAN SEE A SMALL CROSS OF STONES Attachments:
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Post by ago on May 22, 2010 18:05:58 GMT
SOME OF THE BULLETS I FOUND OR SHELLS,THAT WERE USED TO BRING ENEMY AIRCRAFT DOWN. Attachments:
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Post by taff on Dec 24, 2010 16:19:14 GMT
Does anyone have the exact GPS coordinates for this or any of the other crashes on the mountain.
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Post by lois on Apr 22, 2021 17:07:16 GMT
hello,im a new member (great site) I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A STORY OF A WALK I HAD LAST YEAR ON MINERA MOUNTAIN,I WAS WALKING BY THE OLD QUARRY AND STOPPED TO VIEW THE AREA OVER BWLCHGWYN,WHEN I CAME ACROSS A PIECE OF METEL THINKING IT WAS A BIT OF SHRAPNEL OF A BOME,I DID A QUICK CLEAN AND IT TURNED OUT TO BE ALLOY,I PUT IT IN MY POCKET AND CARRIED ON WALKING,WHEN I ARRIVED HOME(RHOS)I CLEANED IT WITH SOAPY WATER AND FOUND THAT THERE WAS A NUMBER ON ONE SIDE,THINKING IT MIGHT BE A PIECE OF AIRCRAFT I CONTACTED A FRIEND WHO IS INTO AIRCRAFT CRASHES WW2,HE PHONED ME A WEEK LATER AND HE HAD DONE SOME RESEARCH AND CAME TO A CONCLUSION THAT IT WAS A CRASHED AIRCRAFT,AND SAID ITS A PIECE OF FUSELAGE OFF A FAIREY FULMAR SIMULAR TO A SPITFIRE,IT CRASHED IN WW2 IN BLIZZARD CONDITIONS ON THE 5.2.1941 PILOT KILLED ON IMPACT (R.I.P.),WE WENT BACK THAT SUMMER AND FOUND THE IMPACT POINT IT WAS CAPABLE OF 3 TO 400 MPH,I PUT THE PIECE INTO THE IMPACT SCAR AND FOUND SMALLER PIECES,PILOTS NAME S BURDEN.DOES ANYONE KNOW MORE OF THIS. THANKS Are you interested in general information or about the death of S BURDEN specifically? Here are a couple of links which you may find of interest. www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/askalocal/pages/wwii3.shtmlwww.docstoc.com/docs/18610469/walk-directions---wrexham-county-borough-council-homepage No. 7 Stone Cross Memorial Hi! I have only just found this message board but am thrilled, and very moved, to find my great-uncle, Sydney Gordon Burden, mentioned. Until very recently, I had no idea he existed, as my grandfather never mentioned his brother. Also, my mother was born in 1937 and has no recollection of him. Thank you to everyone for all the information; I know my mum will be really pleased to find out more about him, as am I.
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