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Post by chaz on Nov 6, 2011 22:28:23 GMT
Can anyone help me trace My great grandfather William Edwards ,Born 1836. The 1911 census has him living in Liverpool with his wife Jane sophia edwards. This census says he was born in Dembeshire n Wales. the 1901 census has him being born in Bwlchgwyn. He was married in 1899 in Liverpool. His fathers name on the marriage banns is John Edwards and occupation was farmer. I know this is not a lot to go on but any hints would be greatfully recieved. Thanks in advance Dan.
Sorry Birth date was wrong,see my replies below.
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Post by tominera on Nov 7, 2011 10:28:29 GMT
Hi Dan and welcome to the Minera site--Please can you tell us if this is his first marriage---63 years of age would suggest not--was he a widower on the marr cert? if so his first marriage or previous marriages would probably give us a lot more to work on-When and where was Jane Sophia born and her maiden name ?? Good Luck with your search, Regards Tom
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Post by eluned on Nov 7, 2011 10:55:30 GMT
Welcome to the forum chaz 1901 Toxteth Park RG13; Piece: 3439; Folio: 106; Page: 42 William Edwards H 27 blacksmith b.Bwlchgwyn, Anglesea Jane S Edwards wife 23 b.Burton On Trent, Staffs May S Edwards daur 1 b.Liverpool Now confirmed as correct family. William b. abt 1874.
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Post by eluned on Nov 7, 2011 13:48:17 GMT
1871 Gyffenes Farm, Brymbo RG10; Piece: 5654; Folio: 18; Page: 4; John Edwards H 30 farmer of 35 acres employing 1 man b.Holt Mary Ann wife 28 b.Ruabon William son 3 b.Holt Emily A daur 1 b.Holt Elizabeth Foulkes unm 22 gen serv b.Ruabon Seems a possible one but dob now confirmed as 1874 so this one would be several years out unfortunately. I have deleted the other posts in reference to this William.
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Post by eluned on Nov 7, 2011 16:49:53 GMT
Do you have the names of the witnesses from William Edwards & Jane Sophia wedding cert please?
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Post by chaz on Nov 7, 2011 19:38:24 GMT
Welcome to the forum chaz 1901 Toxteth Park RG13; Piece: 3439; Folio: 106; Page: 42 William Edwards H 27 blacksmith b.Bwlchgwyn, Anglesea Jane S Edwards wife 23 b.Burton On Trent, Staffs May S Edwards daur 1 b.Liverpool Now have I found the wrong William or are the details given by chaz incorrect? Sorry my mistake, Birth date was around 1874. Dont know where I got the other date from! You have the same info as me regarding 1901 census. My mother had told me That william ( her Grandad) was a farmer so the blacksmith occupation threw me a bit. Knowing His father John Edwards was a farmer makes some of the replies here possible strong links. Thanks for all the replies...I did not expect so much help!
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Post by chaz on Nov 7, 2011 19:43:51 GMT
Do you have the names of the witnesses from William Edwards & Jane Sophia wedding cert please? I do not have the Wedding certificate Only the copy of marriages and banns from Ancestry.co.uk. This has the wedding date of 10th aprill 1899. Witnesses look like the brides family as the names are William Carver and May Carver. Thanks Dan
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Post by chaz on Nov 7, 2011 19:45:56 GMT
Hi Dan and welcome to the Minera site--Please can you tell us if this is his first marriage---63 years of age would suggest not--was he a widower on the marr cert? if so his first marriage or previous marriages would probably give us a lot more to work on-When and where was Jane Sophia born and her maiden name ?? Good Luck with your search, Regards Tom Sorry my mistake, Birth date was around 1874. Dont know where I got the other date from! Thanks for all the replies. Dan
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Post by annedw on Nov 8, 2011 8:24:53 GMT
William and May Carver were Jane`s siblings, her parents were Federick and Sophia, in 1891 they are already in Toxteth. Frederick was a brewers storekeeper.
1891 over two pages. RG12; Piece: 2934; Folio 12; Page 18
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Post by annedw on Nov 8, 2011 20:34:47 GMT
We can`t be sure this is the right family, but the age of William, and that his Dad is John and a farmer fits. I suppose you could say that William would say he was born Bwlchgwyn, as the records say a different place each time but it seems to be the same family. Brymbo / Bwlchgwyn are really very close. 1881 Syddalt Farm. Gwersyllt. John Edwards 32 farmer b Broughton Mary Ellen Edwards 32 b Bersham John Henry Edwards 11 b Gwersyllt Mary Eliza Edwards 10 " William Edwards 7 " Joseph Edwards 5 " Thomas Alfred Edwards 3 " Albert Wilson Edwards 2 " James Edwards 8 mth " 1891 Brithdir Bwlchgwyn John Edwards 43 farmer b Wrexham Mary E Edwards 42 " Williams Edwards 17 " Albert W Edwards 11 " George H Edwards 8 " Edward E Edwards 6 " 1901 Brithdir Farm Bwlchgwyn John Edwards 53 farmer b Brymbo Mary Ellen Edwards 52 " James Edwards 20 " George Edwards 18 " Louisa Jane Edwards 18 " Edward Ellis Edwards 16 " 1911 7 Maesgwyn Road Wrexham John Edwards 64 farmer b Wrexham Mary Ellen Edwards 63 " Mary Eliza Hilton daughter widow 40 " 10 children born alive, 8 still living , 2 died . Mary Eliza had been married 6 years and had no children. This may be her marriage. I know it`s not what we are looking for, NW BMD has a Civil Marriage. Marriages Mar 1906 Cunnah Edwin St. Asaph 11b 421 EDWARDS Mary Eliza St. Asaph 11b 421 HILTON William St. Asaph 11b 421 JONES Mercy St. Asaph 11b 421 A William Hilton died aged 55 in Mar qtr 1910 St Asaph. Is this the right family
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Post by chaz on Nov 10, 2011 8:43:21 GMT
We can`t be sure this is the right family, but the age of William, and that his Dad is John and a farmer fits. I suppose you could say that William would say he was born Bwlchgwyn, as the records say a different place each time but it seems to be the same family. Brymbo / Bwlchgwyn are really very close. 1881 Syddalt Farm. Gwersyllt. John Edwards 32 farmer b Broughton Mary Ellen Edwards 32 b Bersham John Henry Edwards 11 b Gwersyllt Mary Eliza Edwards 10 " William Edwards 7 " Joseph Edwards 5 " Thomas Alfred Edwards 3 " Albert Wilson Edwards 2 " James Edwards 8 mth " 1891 Brithdir Bwlchgwyn John Edwards 43 farmer b Wrexham Mary E Edwards 42 " Williams Edwards 17 " Albert W Edwards 11 " George H Edwards 8 " Edward E Edwards 6 " 1901 Brithdir Farm Bwlchgwyn John Edwards 53 farmer b Brymbo Mary Ellen Edwards 52 " James Edwards 20 " George Edwards 18 " Louisa Jane Edwards 18 " Edward Ellis Edwards 16 " 1911 7 Maesgwyn Road Wrexham John Edwards 64 farmer b Wrexham Mary Ellen Edwards 63 " Mary Eliza Hilton daughter widow 40 " Thanks for your help. It looks likely this is the right family. I had a look at google maps of the area and can see how close Brymbo / Bwlchgwyn are. I have always had an affinity to wales, being from Liverpool all my childhood holidays were spent there. Going by my tree it Looks like I am a right mixture of Welsh, (Jones and Edwards) English (Ball) and Irish (Garland, O'Toole, and O'Neill) now if only I could find a Scot ..........
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Post by eluned on Nov 10, 2011 17:29:18 GMT
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Post by hilary on Nov 13, 2011 18:03:04 GMT
I can't find this family I've looked at 1911 when it looks like he was born in Denbighshire (and he is working on the docks at Liverpool), and I've looked at 1901 when he is a blacksmith and says that he was born in Anglesey. Given that there are at least four variations of Bwlchgwyn (Wrexham, Benllech in Anglesey, another on the Denbigh moors somewhere, and a fourth in south wales), I just can't pin him down. The most likely is a William, son of John, who was born in "Denbighshire, Wales" and the family are living at Stapely in 1881. Check that one out and see what you think. The dad is a gardener, so he might be down on his luck at that time?
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