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Post by annedw on Mar 2, 2006 15:08:08 GMT
I am descended from this family, the earliest in Coedpoeth was Thomas Wilcoxon, a publican . his son Joseph was very well known in the area, as he became a rate collecter, a member of the Bersham School board, and eventually the Clerk on the Coedpoeth Council. He had nine children and I would love to know if there are any descendants of the daughters about. Elizabeth Ellen b 1877 married John Richard Lloyd in 1903 they may have had a son Emlyn. Edith Wilcoxon b 1883 married Albert Rogers in 1915, possible son named Sidney. Annie Wilcoxon b 1885 married Daniel Ellis, son Eric. Ada Jane Wilcoxon b 1887 married John ( Jack) Owen, son Alwyn. Was John of the Five Crosses Owen family ?. Bertha Wilcoxon b 1891 married a Hughes, she died in a road accident in 1930 Thomas Wilcoxon b 1881 married Louisa Alice Jones in 1903, she died the same year,six weeks after giving birth to my father, she was my grandmother , I cannot find anything about her, as her father was not named on the marriage certificate, but a Mary Sarah Jones aged 78 was buried in the same grave in 1933. I presume that this may have been her mother. Other brothers were Joseph Oswald b 1893, he died in the Somme in 1916. Harold b 1895, he was awarded the Military Cross twice in WW1. He married Gertie Evans. The youngest son was Hector Penry b 1900, he moved away to Stockport , but returned to Coedpoeth much later in his life, he died at the age of 95 . There was also a Trevor Humphreys, whom I think had a daughter Gwenda, maybe about 55 now, does any one know of her. If anyone has information about this family please let me know.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 2, 2006 16:31:01 GMT
Wilcoxon is a name repeated through the business directories for the area...
1868 - Thomas Wilcoxon, retailer of beer, Adwyr Clawdd. 1878 - Thomas Wilcoxon, retailer of beer. 1882 - Thomas Wilcoxon, retailer of beer, Church St. 1886 - Thomas Wilcoxon, retailer of beer, New Inn. - Joseph Wilcoxon, grocer, Church St. 1889 - Joseph Wilcox, grocer & draper. - Mrs Wilcoxon, beer retailer. 1892 - Joseph Wilcoxon, post office, Coedpoeth. 1895 - Joseph Wilcoxon, postmaster & burial board clerk. 1913 - J. Wilcoxon, assistant overseer & clerk to Parish Council.
Am I correct in saying Wilcoxon(s) are buried at minera church as im sure I've seen a headstone there? Also, I guess Hector Penry Wilcoxon is the chap who shared his memories with JC Davies for the Coedpoeth Memories booklet. In his memories Mr Wilcoxon states 'a brother to his father kept the New Inn on Church St.' (Now called Park Rd and was located where the car park entrance is now)
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 2, 2006 16:45:57 GMT
Upon her death how old was your grandmother? - There is a Louisa Alice Jones I have found on the 1901 Census.... Louisa Alice Jones, aged 19, born at Seacombe, Cheshire. She is employed as a domestic servant for the family of Llewelyn Carrington at The Cross Foxes Hotel, High St., Coedpoeth. And here is the same Louisa in 1891... Living at Poulton cum Seacombe, Cheshire... Daughter of John & Alice Jones. (Source info RG12/2896 district of Birkenhead, sub district of Wallasey) There is also another Louisa Jones (similar age) living in Neston St, Birkenhead, whose mother is a Sarah (b. Mostyn). Hope some of this info may help.
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Post by shedevil on Mar 2, 2006 19:25:15 GMT
Interesting information there Annette I will further invstigate whether Alwyn is part of my Owens family who owned the Five Crosses public house. I will get back to you when i have more information. ;D
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Post by annedw on Mar 2, 2006 20:20:11 GMT
Upon her death how old was your grandmother? - There is a Louisa Alice Jones I have found on the 1901 Census.... Louisa Alice Jones, aged 19, born at Seacombe, Cheshire. She is employed as a domestic servant for the family of Llewelyn Carrington at The Cross Foxes Hotel, High St., Coedpoeth. And here is the same Louisa in 1891... Living at Poulton cum Seacombe, Cheshire... Daughter of John & Alice Jones. (Source info RG12/2896 district of Birkenhead, sub district of Wallasey) There is also another Louisa Jones (similar age) living in Neston St, Birkenhead, whose mother is a Sarah (b. Mostyn). Hope some of this info may help.
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Post by annedw on Mar 2, 2006 20:51:03 GMT
Thanks to everyone for your responses. Louisa Alice was 21 when she was buried in Coedpoeth on 21.07.1903. The Carringtons only lived a few doors away from Joseph Wilcoxon, at the old Post Office, 27 High St, in the 1901 census . so this could well be her. The only other clue I have is a Bible in which is written ` To Louisa Alice Jones from Uncle Robert July 1889 ` It is very nicely written and each word is in a different style of lettering, but I don`t think it was Louisa `s handwriting as she would have only been 7 at the time. I don`t know of any Wilcoxons in Minera, but there may have been. It seems that the family became non-comformist. Thomas the publican,died 1886, his wife Elizabeth in 1903, and two children Mary aged 2 died 1855, Thomas aged 17 died 1880 , they are all buried in Wern graveyard. It is a very large `capstone` type grave, this graveyard is very old and there are some interesting inscriptions, but it is so overgrown the best time to visit is about now, before the brambles start growing. It would be nice if an attempt was made to cut down some of the `jungle`. I remember Uncle Penry, it is the same one you mention, Clifford Davies gave me a copy of the tape, sadly I lost touch with Penry and presumed he had died before he actually did. It was his grandfather who was the Publican. Joseph the postmaster was the only child of Thomas that survived. I could go on an on, but will leave some for another time. Thanks again Annette.
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Post by shedevil on Mar 3, 2006 9:43:06 GMT
Annette I have found these Wilcoxon's are they from the same family ? WILCOX Thomas MINER 14-Jun-1853 Elizabeth MARY Nant WILCOXON Thomas PUBLICAN 03-Aug-1855 Elizabeth JOSEPH Coedpoeth Thomas PUBLICAN 21-Jun-1863 Elizabeth THOMAS Coedpoeth
These are baptism dates sorry i should explain the format is Surname, Father, Occupation, Baptism, date, mother, Child, Address
Tracey
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Post by annedw on Mar 3, 2006 13:39:21 GMT
Yes , they are the same, Thomas was a leadminer as well as later becoming a publican. Mary and Thomas jnr died , and Joseph was the only descendant. If you see my previous message it gives the dates etc, thank for this . I am really keen now to find more on Louisa Alice Jones, who married Thomas Wilcoxon, son of Joseph.. The marriage cert shows they were both residing at Coedpoeth, but no address, they married at Ebenezer Congregational Chapel,Wrexham. on 19 March 1903, he was a surveyer`s assistant, she had no occupation,and no father was named, but she was surely at least six months pregnant. I wonder if her family `disowned` her. She gave birth to my Dad, Oswald on 17 May, and sadly died and was buried on 21 July 1903. Thomas never remarried. If I can find where her parents were born and their birthdates , that will be a start. Re John Owens, I have a picture of his grave and he was actually John Owen Owens. Thank to you all for your help.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 3, 2006 19:16:38 GMT
From what I found for you, (Note - had to look for her as she has had her name spelt wrong on the search engine of ancestry)
Your Louisa Alice Jones is undoubtedly the same girl as the one working in the Cross Foxes in 1901, whatwith the location & age being correct as well. Ten years previous on the 1891, she is found at Seacombe (her birthplace) with parents John & Alice. John was born in Meironethshire (struggled to read the place name but noted/looked as 'Corton' ?) aged 45 & employed as a general labourer. Alice was noted as born in Denbigh and was aged 44. Full list of children (all born Seacombe) and their ages were... John E. 16 Margaret M. 14 Elizabeth A. 13 Louisa 8 Sarah 4 Ellen 2.
In 1881...Living at 9 Beaconsfield Road, Seacombe. John 35, b. Wales. Labourer in chemical works. Alice 34, b. Wales. John Edward, 6. Margaret Mary, 4. Elizabeth Ann, 3. George Henry, 1. Robert James, 3 months.
As for going further back, & looking for John Jones born in Meirionethshire Wales!!! Best of luck.
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Post by annedw on Mar 4, 2006 17:23:41 GMT
Oh well, you can`t win them all, I wonder if the place name was Corwen, at least Louisa had Welsh roots. At the risk of asking too much, I wonder where her parents were in 1901. This is the good thing about being a Wilcoxon, on the 1901 there were only 57 Wilcoxons and 12 were mine all at the same address in. Coedpoeth. In 1881 there were many more especially in the Cheshire area, and with a massive stroke of luck, I now have a tree dating back to the late 1500s. The Welsh connection is a story in itself, and I will enjoy putting it down and sharing it with you all. I hope you will be interested. As for the Coedpoeth family, I have some obituaries and a couple of wills, perhaps some of you will know of the names mentioned in them.. Thanks for your help so far, all this is a few days is amazing, well done !!!!!!.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 19, 2006 15:17:58 GMT
Annettes 'Wilcoxon Story' is planned to be on the Coedpoeth pages of the website asap... Anybody else want to submit their ancestry story?
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Post by annedw on Mar 21, 2006 15:10:09 GMT
About the 1881/1891 census results for John and Alice. It seems that their Louisa was still there in 1901, and Alice is a widow. If this is correct, then it can`t be my Louisa, as she is in the Cross Foxes, I havn`t actually seen this record so cannot be sure of it. Baffled now !!!!!
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 22, 2006 20:24:54 GMT
Maybe your Louisa is the other Louisa of similar age, (on the 1891 census) also noted as living in Birkenhead with her mother Sarah? I'll have another 'dig' when I get chance... P.S. thanks for the Wilcoxon e-mails, I'll piece a page on the Coedpoeth site as soon as I find time...(prob' a week or so)...
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Post by annedw on Mar 24, 2006 13:01:59 GMT
According to the marriage cert for Louisa and Thomas , they were both living in Coedpoeth, but no actual address is given, I`m still sticking with the Cross Foxes, it is so close to where Thomas lived.
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