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Post by joylea1 on Mar 16, 2006 16:07:13 GMT
Looking for any information on the family of William and Ann Davies from Penygelli Road and Waen road Coedpoeth. William's dates are 1852-1908. William died in an accident at Old Minera Lead mines from injuries to the head. Ann's dates are 1853-1915. Wliiliam was born in Llanarmon and Ann in Rhos.They had at leat 10 children.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 17, 2006 21:22:54 GMT
Croeso Joy... What information do you most require & what information do you hold. Also, how far back have you gone? How exactly did Williams fatal accident occur?
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Post by shedevil on Mar 19, 2006 14:27:51 GMT
1901 Census 18 Waen Road, Bersham, Minera st Mary Name & Surname relation to head married age occupation Born William Davies Head Marr 49 General Carter Llanarmon Ann Davies Wife Marr 48 Rhos David Davies Son Single 21 General Carter Lancs, Ulverston Jonathan Davies Son Single 17 Coal Miner Lancs, Ulverston Louisa Davies Daur Single 16 Denbigh, Rhos Ellen Davies Daur Single 7 Denbigh, Bersham Catherine Davies Daur Single 3 Denbigh, Bersham 1891 Census Pennygelli Road, Bersham, Coedpoeth Name & Surname relation to head married age occupation Born William Davies Head Marr 39 Pitman Denbigh, Llanarmon Anne Davies Wife Marr 38 Denbigh, Rhos Jane Davies Daur Single 13 Scholar Stafford, Ulverston in furness David Davies Son Single 11 Scholar Stafford, Ulverston in Furness Priscilla Davies Daur Single 9 Scholar Stafford, Ulverston in Furness Jonathan Davies Son Single 7 Scholar Stafford, Dalton in Furness Louisa Daur Single 6 Denbigh, Rhos William Henry Davies Son Single 2 Denbigh, Coedpoeth Shadrich Davies Son Single 8 months Denbigh, Coedpoeth Parish registers 13 June 1891 David Davies (miner) age 21 New Brighton S/o William Davies (Miner) Witness John Foulkes Elizabeth Roberts age 20 New Brighton D/o David Roberts (Smelter) Witness Maria Davies This is the only Information I can gather for you at present it seems that prior to 1891 Census the family had moved to Ulverston in lancashire but have searched for a link there to no avail There is also no information on the children missing from the 1891 census to the 1901 census. I have checked all births marriages and deaths on the parish registers and cannot find any entries
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Post by joylea1 on Mar 19, 2006 19:35:28 GMT
Thank you to 'shedevil' for your info. It does appear to be the same family, but we do have the same information as regards to the census. We have got back as far as the 1891 census as you have but then no trace. The Parish Register obviously is not the same David as the dates state that he would have been 11 in 1891. We have been unable to trace William's birth certificate, therefore are unable to find his parents to go further back, which is what is now needed. There are also children missing as my grandfather was William Henry and was one of 14. But only 10 are accounted for. My sister believes that Lousia had a twin sister, she was not identicle but did exist, although there is no record of her anywhere. I would like to know how and why you are researching the family?Any relation?
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Post by shedevil on Mar 20, 2006 2:25:40 GMT
Joylea1 I am not researching your family history, I merely have provided a look up for you to hopefully help you with your research Im sorry i could not give you more information than has already been provided I think your problem lies with some of the family being born in Ulverston, Lancashire. possibly if you join the Lancashire and staffordshire lists on rootsweb they may be able to provide some parish register entries for you. as explained in my earlier post I have checked the parish registers for coedpoeth/Bersham but there are no entries for your Davies family.
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Post by joylea1 on Mar 20, 2006 15:32:55 GMT
Thank you for taking the time to look up my queries for me, i am very grateful. Hopefully i will be able to get further back as time progresses. Thanks again.
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Post by joylea1 on Mar 20, 2006 15:37:21 GMT
According to William's death certificate William fell down a slope and fatally injured himself, through head injuries. The details of the accident are not clear and would like any information if anyone has any.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 20, 2006 19:05:17 GMT
Am I correct in assuming this is the same William Davies who is living with his uncle & aunt - Joseph & Ellen Price in 1861 & 1871 census'?'
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Post by joylea1 on Mar 21, 2006 17:19:13 GMT
I am not sure if William lived with his aunt and uncle Joseph and Ellen Price, as i have been unable to trace him before the 1891 census.I would be grateful if you could tell me how and where you have found this William, so that i could see if it is the same person.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 22, 2006 20:16:29 GMT
I looked through the 1861 & 1871 census....
No William Davies b.1852 in Llanarmon exists.... ....However there is a William Davies b.1852 living in the parish of Llanarmon (Llandegla)... ...He is on both census, & living with his aunt & uncle (noted as boarder in 1861 but later as nephew in 1871)...
In my opinion, this could well be the young William. Having lived in Llanarmon for so long he may well have adopted it as his 'home/birthplace' on moving to England. For the record, in 1861 & 71 this Williams birthplace is noted as Cerrig-y-drudion.
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Post by joylea1 on Mar 22, 2006 23:14:27 GMT
Hi. I really do not know if this is the same William although considering that there is no record of him being born in Llanarmon, the Llandegla idea could fit.Thank you very much for your help.Do you think he was adopted by his uncle and aunt then?Due to his parents dying or something?
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Post by joylea1 on Mar 30, 2006 15:45:44 GMT
If you believe that William was living with his aunt and uncle in 1861 and 1871 can you please tell where it says they are living? We have checked the registrars again and there is no William Davies in Llanarmon, Llandegla born in 1852.
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Post by llosgi calch on Apr 8, 2006 12:22:01 GMT
Joylea, Remember the birthdate rule and allow 1851 in your search of the 1861 & 71 census. I am sure one of these census shows him born as 1851 & the other as 1852, but not sure which and my ancestry subscription has concluded this week after six months so I cant double check. All I can confirm is that this was the only William Davies of Llanarmon parish detailed on the census years that I found likely to be your chap. Note this chap is noted as born Cerrig-y-drudion during these years.
It may be an idea to try & locate this chap in a later census year when you have your ancestor located. If both chaps are on the same census year you can disregard this possibility - however, if this possible chap cant be found............. '?'
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Post by joylea1 on Apr 20, 2006 18:18:31 GMT
Hi. Just wondering if you could help with a query. On the census we are able to find of William Davies it states that he was born in Llanarmon Denbighshire, but obviously we aren't having any luck locating his birth cert.Speaking to a woman at Ruthin record office she said that the Llanarmon Denbighshire could only be Llanarmon Yn Ial, but this does not exist in the 1851, or 1861 census.Can you shed any light on this?Also the William Davies that went to live with his aunt and uncle was not our William as he grew up to be a shoemaker, not a miner.so...
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Post by shedevil on Apr 20, 2006 22:01:05 GMT
Hi again, I have found some information that may be of interest tp you.
Fosters Bank, Audley, Talke Staffordshire 1871 (Newcastle under Lyne)
William Davies Head Mar 26 Miner Flintshire Anne Davies Wife Mar 22 Sarah A Davies Dau 3 Battersea, Staffordshire Edward Davies Son 1 Month
9 Sharp Street, Dalton In furness, Lancashire 1881
William Davies Head Mar 52 Unknown Wales Ann Davies Wife Mar 50 Unknown Sarah A Davies Daur 12 Eliza Davies Daur 10 Peter Davies Son 8 Jane Davies Daur 6 David Davies Son 4
Note on census states occupiers left house early on Monday April 4th 1881 this makes me believe that the ages of the residents may not be exactly correct.
This could be the Marriage of Ann & William
Name: Ann Owens Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Holywell County: Denbighshire, Flintshire Volume: 11b Page: 502 (click to see others on page)
Name: William Davies Year of Registration: 1867 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Holywell County: Denbighshire, Flintshire Volume: 11b Page: 502 (click to see others on page)
and I have a feeling this could be Williams parents the marriage certificate should verify the fathers name I dont know why i suspect its linked i just have a gut feeling
1861 Census, Marl, Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales
Edward Davies Head Mar 44 Farm Labourer Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales Eliza Davies Wife Mar 41 Henllan, Denbighshire Thomas Davies Son Un 16 Apprentice to a Blacksmith Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales John Davies Son Un 15 Gentleman's Stable Boy Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales Robert Davies Son 13 Scholar Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales William Davies Son 11 Scholar Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales Ellen Davies Daughter 8 Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales Joseph Davies Son 6 Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales Henry Davies Son 4 Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales Eliza Davies Daughter 1 Tremeirchion, Flintshire, Wales
Hope its of use
Tracey
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Post by joylea1 on Apr 24, 2006 15:27:42 GMT
Hi. Thank you very much for the effort that you have put in but unfortunately none of the information appears to be what we are looking for. it's such a shame!
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Post by joylea1 on May 30, 2006 19:44:09 GMT
HI.I have now managed to get William's birth cert.He was born in Maendigychwyn, Llanarmon, Llanarmon Yn Ial (Yale) on June 8th 1851. Does anyone know where this is? His father was Peter Davies and his mother was Anne (Jones) Davies. William married in Lancashire to Anne Roberts from Rhos, in 1872. They do not show on the census in England or Wales however until 1891 does anyone know why this is?
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Post by shedevil on Jun 4, 2006 11:07:49 GMT
regarding Anne and William not showing on the census. that could be possibly be that the parts of the census, for the area they were living were missing. This happens sometimes to everyones research and it is frustrating but there is no solution. also as far as im aware Llanarmon is the next hamlet/ village just over the hill from Minera llosgi calch will be able to tell you more about the geography of the area.
Tracey
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