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Post by shedevil on Apr 22, 2006 8:39:09 GMT
Hello I was reading your posts on the other Carrington thread and decided that you should have one all to yourself so to avoid any confusion ;D
I have searched the parish records for your Carringtons and came across these entries in the baptisms that may be of some interest to you
Father Occ. Baptism Mother child Address Francis MINER 16-Feb-1852 Mariah JOHN Minera In burials i have located:
21st May 1867 Francis Carrington of Coedpoeth age 16 months
not sure which set of carringtons this belong to
I have noted in the Llanarmon Yn Ial marriages for 1813-1837 there was a Francis Carrington listed as being witness to the wedding of John Jones and Elizabeth Roberts on 26th October 1817 this could mean that he could have some connection to your Francis born circa 1828 with llanarmon and Llandegla being just over the mountain from Minera
The 1871 Census states that Francis was born in Llanarmon but having checked the parish registers I cannot locate him.
The 1841 Census shows an Aaron Carrington Butcher and wife Mary resident with their family in Llandegla and he is the only Carrington in the area (having checked the whole of Llandegla which included Llanarmon at the time) you could safely assume that there is a strong possibility that Aaron could be Francis' father.
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Post by sceptrelady on Apr 25, 2006 5:47:09 GMT
Hello shedevil!!
First, thank you very much for taking the time to do some lookups for me. I believe the baptism record you have found for JOHN CARRINGTON is definitely my family - I have a copy of his birth certificate January 6, 1852 showing Francis & Mariah Carrington. I have found Francis & Mariah living with her father Thomas Wynne in Llandegla in the 1851 Census. No luck finding them in 1861. However found the family in 1871 at Plas Gwyn Mtn. and in 1881 at Pentre Bais Minera. I've seen the 1841 census entry for Aaron Carrington and agree he is a possibility for Francis' father but no mention of Francis. In 1851 he lists his place of birth as Wrexham. In 1871 and 1881 he lists Minera. When I searched for his death certificate I found one Francis registered third quarter 1890 and one for the first quarter 1891. Maria is listed as a widow in 1891. I've ordered up a copy of their marriage certificate from 1850 so that may provide more clues. If I find anything I'll let you know.
Sorry if I posted to the wrong thread instead of starting a new one. I'm new to the board etiquette! Thanks again, Heather
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Post by sceptrelady on May 16, 2006 6:11:43 GMT
Have received the 1850 marriage certificate of my g-g-grandparents, Francis CARRINGTON (miner) & Maria WYNN (occupation Cottager? - what does that mean?) both of Minera. They were married at Wrexham Parish Church. Francis lists his father as John Carrington, Miner. Maria's father is listed as Thomas WYNN, farmer, born Nant Ruabon Denbighshire - aged 73 on 1851 census. So much for census spellings! I'm coming home from Canada to visit relatives in Wrexham next month and hope to see a lot of the area and soak up some atmosphere etc. Any ideas of when or where I can find the Wrexham Parish records to search for Francis' baptism records from 1828? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by nainffrith4 on May 16, 2006 12:44:27 GMT
You maybe able to find what you are looking for in the Wrexham Museum, very helpful staff, or you could try the Clwyd Family Society, they are very helpful as well, having said that evey where I have been the staff have been really helpful, or there is the records office in Ruthin. This is in the old jail and even in the summer it is very cold in there. I hope this helps you find what you are looking for. Norma
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Post by llosgi calch on May 16, 2006 20:45:14 GMT
Have received the 1850 marriage certificate of my g-g-grandparents, Francis CARRINGTON (miner) & Maria WYNN (occupation Cottager? - what does that mean?) Hi, Living off their own means, off their own land basically.... A cottager was originally a lower rank of the peasantry (below Husbandman I think) - a smallholder. There would be some land and possibly common rights but probably no more than enough for some subsistence farming. By the 19th century it might imply no more than living in a tied cottage. FootnoteI am instantly drawn to the term 'cottage industry' as in working from home, possibly a link perhaps ' '
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Post by shedevil on May 16, 2006 20:54:23 GMT
Hi In answer to your question a cottager would be a smallholder of land possibly rented. Its use would be for the main source of income such as crops and maybe a small amount of livestock i.e. chickens etc.
Tracey
Just a little bit of further information regarding Francis Carrington's Death the only 2 Francis Carrington's i can find are as follows: Francis Carrington buried 21/05/1867 abode, Minera age 16 Months Francis Carrington buried 22/03/1891 abode tynycapel age 62
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Post by sceptrelady on May 17, 2006 2:57:20 GMT
Thanks to all for the "cottager" explanations. And especially thanks to Tracey for the info on Francis Carrington's 1891 passing. Can anyone tell me whether "tynycapel" is anywhere near "Plas gwyn Mtn" (where they were listed in 1871 census) or "Gwynfryn" where wife Maria died in 1909? The second adult Francis Carrington I've found appears to have died in 3Q 1890, aged 61 registered Wrexham, according to ancestry BMD search.
Heather
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Post by llosgi calch on May 17, 2006 6:56:05 GMT
Tyn-y-capel is an old Inn located on Church Road, Minera, opposite the Minera Parish Church.
Plas Gwyn Mountain is a little further up the road, about half a mile. Plas Gwyn Mountain & Gwynfryn are the same place. The area was also known as Pentre Bais but became known/described as Gwynfryn towards the turn of the 20th century. It is said the postmaster thought the name Pentre Bais (eng.translation - 'petticoat village') a little vulgar and introduced 'Gwynfryn' which was the name of the local chapel.
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Post by sceptrelady on May 17, 2006 17:54:41 GMT
Learning about the location names from "llosgi calch" has helped a great deal. It is very difficult to figure out from a distance - expecially not being familiar with the area and lacking Welsh language skill.
I've been wondering for a while now which Francis C death certificate belonged to "my" Francis and thanks to "shedevil" and the directories on this site I believe that I know now the answer.
Thank you all for taking the time to assist with my research.
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Post by llosgi calch on May 17, 2006 18:18:53 GMT
...... Thank you all for taking the time to assist with my research. You are most welcome... Great to see the site achieving in what it was intended. I agree 'Shedevil' does a great job as one of our resident researcher's, and not too expensive either... ;D
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Post by shedevil on May 17, 2006 23:49:54 GMT
Thanks Heather its no problem at all, glad to be able to give people the information. I dont live in the area im about 25 miles away and don't know the geography as well as cheeky llosgi calch, but he comes in useful sometimes ha ha ha Hope you enjoy your trip to the uk. Should be here for the next few days and then hopefully will be back after a week or so. If you need anything else just send me a personal message I will get back to you and llosgi calch im watching you
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Post by sceptrelady on May 29, 2006 20:27:03 GMT
CARRINGTONS from Coedpoeth & Sceptrelady's Carringtons
Hello shedevil Hope you are on the mend and feeling better.
Wanted to let you know that I've found more information on my CARRINGTON family quest. A gentleman from CLWYD list, Peter, has found a father and mother and grandfather, for "my "Francis CARRINGTON (1828-1890). I think this means that Peter and "Rhiannon" share a common ancestor in Francis CARRINGTON (1792-? -brother to my John CARRINGTON (1795- ?) ), and all three of us share John & Francis' father Thomas CARRINGTON (1756-?). So perhaps we should have been on the same board after all since it now appears that we may well be related!
Take care, Heather
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Post by Rhiannon on Jun 4, 2006 18:52:34 GMT
Hello,
Did you say we all share the same ancestors ? that is great, is the gentleman that you are referring to a Mr Peter Smith ? because I think I shared some information with him before but lost his e-mail address. I didn't know that Francis had a brother as I only have his name for being the son of Thomas & Elizabeth Carrington, I have some information if you are interested in learning about Francis offsprings. All the best Rhiannon
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Post by foyers on Apr 29, 2007 21:43:17 GMT
I have only just joined this site and was interested to read all the Carrington messages. My interest is in Aaron Carrington whoes daughter, Naomi, married my husband's g.grandfather, Jonathan Roberts. Does anyone have any information about this branch of the Carringtons, please?
Maureen
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Post by sceptrelady on Apr 30, 2007 14:35:26 GMT
Hello Maureen
Welcome to the board.
Would the Naomi Carrington have been born circa 1837 and married in 1859? parents Aaron Carrington (bap Apr. 9, 1799 Llandegla) & Mary Evans? I will post more information if she is the one you are looking for. Would also be interested in learning more about Naomi's descendants!
Heather
PS Naomi had a younger sister Miriam who married a Jesse Roberts - any relation?
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Post by foyers on May 1, 2007 22:01:53 GMT
Yes, Heather, this is the same Naomi although I didn't know her mother's name. Finding Naomi's surname recently has been a breakthrough. I would be very interested in finding out more about her if you have any details. I know she married Jonathan Roberts in about 1859. Jonathan had a brother, Jesse who was born about 1840 in Minera and he sounds as if he could be the one who married Naomi's sister, Miriam. Jonathan and Naomi's children were; Mary b.1861 Louisa b. 1863 Leah b. 1865 Rachael b.1867 Aaron b. 1869 Huw b. 1872
Huw married Annie Davies in 1903 at the Welsh Calvanistic Chapel, Southwark, London. She was the daughter of Rees Davies and Ann Williams originally from Llangamarch, Breconshire. Huw and Annie moved to Liverpool where Huw eventually set up a building business. They had 9 children,all with Welsh names. One of their daughters, Gwynneth, was my husband's mother. Maureen
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Post by sceptrelady on May 2, 2007 2:12:29 GMT
Hi Maureen
Interesting - I have an Annie Davies from Birkenhead in my tree too as well as copious quantities of Roberts!!
I've sent you a personal message with my email for direct contact so that I can send you a file on Naomi's Carrington family but here is a very brief version
John Carrington married Anne Blunt, Llanarmon yn Ial 1743 their children were: Jane Anne Margaret John Thomas Carrington mar. Jane Foulkes July 11,1789 Llandegla Francis Hannah Elinor
Thomas & Jane's children were Anne Ellinor (Ellen) Francis Alice John (my ancestor through his son Francis) Aaron b c1799 - married Mary EVANS (date/maiden name not verified) Moses Anne Moses
Aaron & Mary's children were Thomas Naomi Miriam Mariah Aaron
If you have found Aaron on the 1841 in Llandegla you will already know he was a butcher by trade. His mother Jane also appears on the 1841 living with the family including Naomi. One of my treasures is a copy of Thomas Carrington's will which was signed in 1827 and probated by Aaron in 1828. Aaron inherited the land and half of the livestock and household furniture following the death of his mother. I have a copy of her death certificate. She died age 88, Nov 6, 1847.
Most of the early information and the details which I have, were gathered by other cousins and descendants of Thomas & Jane, some whom use this board. I'm still working my way through PRs from the area to verify all the dates etc. Have just sent for the Blackwell Index CD of non-conformist records from the Clwyd FHS so hoping to find many more of them there. I live in Vancouver Canada so it is difficult to do research from a distance!
Heather
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