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Post by sceptrelady on Mar 8, 2007 6:03:55 GMT
Does anyone know any history about these two establishments?
Heather
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 8, 2007 12:59:50 GMT
I seem to recall hearing of a 'Melbourne Arms' in Gwynfryn, Im not too sure about an 'Austrailia Inn'. The Kings Head, Gwynfryn, I have read about, but have wondered whether it may have been confused with the Kings Head, Bwlchgwyn - something to investigate!
For the record, The Gladstone Arms was the last pub in Gwynfryn, closing c.1954 I believe.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 8, 2007 15:21:21 GMT
To re-affirm, after using JC Davies book 'pubs & inquests' as a reference...
There is no record of a Kings Head in Gwynfryn or a 'Australia Inn'. Taken from 'Pubs & Inquests... The Melbourne Arms... Robert Thomas was licencee in the 1871 census and remained so until his death in 1887. A William Davies kept it in 1904 and J. Davies in 1909. The licensee from 1918 uptil its closure in 1925 was Thomas Jones. The Melbourne Arms had been owned by the Island Green Brewery of Wrexham.[/i] However, on looking through the village directory I see a Robert Thomas is still a 'retailer of beer' in 1892! ?
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Post by hilary on Mar 8, 2007 21:36:57 GMT
There are papers at the record office, Ruthin, referring to the Melbourne Arms at Bwlchgwyn, but when you look at the deeds, it is the Melbourne Arms at what is now Gwynfryn. The Melbourned Arms was on the right as you go down the main street in Gwynfryn, the Galdstone was a bit further down on the left.
Hilary
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Post by annedw on Mar 8, 2007 23:14:34 GMT
In the booklet Lost names and Places by JC Davies it says that in 1924 the DCC proposed closing the Melbourne Arms in Gwynfryn which was owned by Huntley & Mowat of Island Green Brewery. It was reported that there were two other public houses in Gwynfryn which were more commodious. It doesn`t say what they were called.
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Post by sceptrelady on Mar 9, 2007 3:43:47 GMT
Thanks to all for responding. I was just curious because a local estate agent's flyer for my great grandparents former home Nant y glyn, Ffordd Isaf, Gwynfryn states:
"The property, which dates probably from the early 19th century, was once one of the three public houses in the Vallage, formerly known as the Australia Inn....."
Possibly someone got the wrong end of the stick or does the agent know more than we do?!?
Both Melbourne Arms or Australia Inn seem a little out of place for Minera. Anyone know how the name(s) would have come about?
The Kings Head query resulted from the 1871 census of PlasGwyn Mountain, Minera. Listed at the "Public House Kings Head" are: Alice Carrington, Head, minor, age "18" (b. May 1854) occ Publican and Maria Carrington, sister, minor, age "14" (b. May 1859) general servant They were both daughters of my gg grandfather Francis C of Tyn-y-capel fame. Francis' brother John is also listed as the publican of the Cross Foxes in Bersham in 1871. If anyone knows where the Kings Head was located please let me know so I can arrange for a picture.
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Post by annedw on Mar 9, 2007 7:06:27 GMT
Is it for sale now, if so would it be worth asking the agent where he got the details from.
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Post by llosgi calch on Mar 9, 2007 10:04:15 GMT
No doubt there has been a little 'word of mouth confusion' with someone recalling it had 'something to do with Australia'! ;D ;D For the record, 'word of mouth confusion' is still 'rife' in these parts! ;D ;D
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Post by hilary on Mar 9, 2007 12:18:52 GMT
My mother has just told me that there was a third public house in Gwynfryn and it was called the Australia Arms; by this time it was (like the Melbourne) a private house and was on the main street. The owner was Mrs Lightfoot?
The connection? there were quite a few emigrants to Australia c1860ish and also the prime minister of Australia, Mr Hughes, visited Brymbo sometime after 1900 - I don't know when - but perhaps he went on a sightseeing tour and stopped for a quick half?
Hilary
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