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Post by hilary on May 22, 2007 0:22:00 GMT
This cropped up a few weeks ago. The Gladstone Arms - named after the prime minister? He was PM in 1881 so it seems fairly likely,.
The Melbourne Arms? Lord Melbourne was PM far too many years earlier.
But the Great Melbourne shaft was sunk at Minera in 1873 so I wondered if the mine owner put what money he made into a house/ale house in Pentre Bias? Lord Melbourne lived at Melbourne House in Melbourne, Derbyshire, and I have heard it said, but without evidence, that a lot of Derbyshire miners came to Minera to find work; perhaps some came from Melbourne and the shaft was named accordingly? In 1881 the owner of the Melbourne Arms, Robert Thomas, was a lead miner from Montgomery - far away, but not Derbyshire......
Any thoughts, anyone?
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Post by annedw on May 22, 2007 14:43:10 GMT
I found this on the BBC WALES HISTORY SECTION.
You could be right about Derbyshire , Hilary, there are a few names here in Halkyn that are also found in Minera, Coedpoeth area. Carrington, Hooson, Oldfield are quite plentiful in the registers. They could have moved from Halkyn to Minera, Halkyn Mountain Bryn Ellis, editor of Clwyd Family History's Hel Achau magazine, writes about Halkyn Mountain, and how Derbyshire miners came to settle. Halkyn Mountain is an area of upland forming the backbone of the old Flintshire. The later years of the seventeenth century witnessed the start of an intensive period of lead mining with much outside investment such as by the London Lead Company and Derbyshire mining entrepreneurs. New rich veins of ore were discovered and exploited, bringing into the area a large number of skilled miners, particularly from Derbyshire. Many of these stayed, intermarrying with local Welsh families and becoming Welsh-speaking themselves. Their descendants, bearing non-Welsh surnames such as Bagshaw, Bateman, Carrington, Harrison, Hooson, Ingleby, Martin, Nuttall, Oldfield, Redfern, Spencer, and Stealey, are still to be found in the area.
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Post by hilary on May 22, 2007 21:51:26 GMT
That was a useful find, thank you Annette! I read two books from cover to cover last night but never found a direct link! I did read though, that a lot of miners from Llanarmon ended up having to walk to Minera every day to work.
There was another shaft called the Cornish shaft, but that seems to have been on account of the huge Cornish beam engine that was transported all the way to Minera - that must have been some job!
The list of surnames is particularly helpful as Bwlchgwyn had its fair share of Carrington, Harrison, Hooson, Nuttall and Oldfield names that I can remember.
Hilary
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Post by sceptrelady on May 23, 2007 23:30:20 GMT
In my ongoing quest to find Carrington roots I have purchased the PR transcripts for Halkyn 1594-1803 baps & burials and 1594-1812 marriages. If anyone is looking for Hoosons, Pierces, Bagshaws & Redfearns there are quite a few in there plus Carringtons Heather
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