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Post by susie06 on Aug 11, 2006 18:03:58 GMT
Tracing my relatives they owned the Kings Head Bwlchgwyn. Their names were Davies. I remember great Uncle Ging (I think that is how to spell it). His brother was my grandfather and moved to Oswestry, he is buried in the Bwlchgwn Church, also my great grandparents. My great grandparents lived in the pub, and moved into the cottage next door. I know that my Uncle Ging had two boys and may be still alive in the Wrexham area I think! I am trying to trace the names of my great grandparents as I only called them something like nine and tide, spelt in English. I just hope somebody can help me please, as I live too far to trace their stones in the church.
Thanks
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Post by shedevil on Aug 12, 2006 14:14:20 GMT
Initial research taken from Pubs & Inquests by J Clifford Davies shows that from at least 1869 the landlord of the Kings Head Bwlchgwyn was an Edward Davies. Further investigation of the 1881 Census shows that Edward Davies of the Kings Head aged 53 [Publican] who was born in Brymbo was resident at the property on the Evening of 3rd April 1881 together with his wife Mary Davies aged 50 [Publican's Wife] who was born in New Town,Montgomeryshire. Also resident were their 2 Sons Edward Davies aged 12 and Davies E Davies aged 11 Both are listed as being scholars and having been born in Brymbo. Ten years on, the 1891 census shows the same people still resident at the Kings Head although places of birth For Edward, Edward & Davies have changed to Bwlchgwyn and Mary's place of birth has changed to Welshpool, Edward (head of household) is still shown as Publican but the other 3 residents are shown as Publicans Ass' which is quite amusing at first sight but is an abbreviation of assistant. I haven't done any further investigation as I believe this may be enough to get you started.
Tracey
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Post by llosgi calch on Aug 13, 2006 10:14:46 GMT
Hello Susie & croeso / welcome to the boards... I may possibly be able to help with some info... ...Would your uncle 'ging' possibly be the same 'Bert Kings Head' who was a Davies and had the pub for many, many years '?' I'll wait for your reply before I add anymore, maybe you can include what years your uncle had the pub...
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Post by susie06 on Aug 13, 2006 16:01:27 GMT
Hi, He was my great uncle - Ging could have been a nick name, his wife was called Kath. I'm sure he had two or maybe three sons, they were my fathers first cousins. I think one was called Jeremy. I am not completely sure how long he ran the pub for as his parents kept it before him. They moved into the cottage attached to the pub. My great grandparents lived until they were about 100+ My grandfathers name was John, he left Bwlchgwyn and became a chef on a liner. He took over a pub called the Unicorn in Oswestry. I used to visit with my father and grandfather about 1957+
This is getting very exciting..... I tried to trace my mothers side of the family but with no luck!!
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Post by llosgi calch on Aug 13, 2006 19:36:49 GMT
Bert had sons Mike & Gerald and daughter Vivien. Bert came to the Kings Head (I assume to take over from his father) from the pub 'The Mount Pleasant' which was situated on Penygelli Road, Coedpoeth. Im too young to know first hand, but I've heard Bert was quite a character. His son Mike (the bike) Davies died about 5 or 6 years aqo and was a great chap to chat with - a real wealth of information. The other son Gerald lives in the village of Bwlchgwyn and frequents the Kings Head occasionally. I can contact both Gerald & Viv if you wish me too. Alternatively if you wish me to pass on any private contact details you can do so by emailing such info to admin@minerahistory.com & I will ensure it is passed on.
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Post by keithj on Jun 2, 2008 16:28:05 GMT
This is an amazing site! One of the first things I see on my first browse through the forum is a thread about this pub. Edward Davies is my 3G Uncle as I descend through his eldest sister, Margaret.
Edward's father was Davies Edward Davies, who married Elisabeth Williams at St Giles in 1821. When Margaret was born, at Broughton in 1822, Davies was a collier. He seems to have moved the family to the Bwlchgwyn area as the rest of his children give that as their birthplace. In the 1851 census he's living in Minera* and is listed as a Mine Agent - an uncertified mine manager. His sons, Edward and Davies Edward junior, are colliers while Margaret is a servant at Glascoed.
Davies senior died in 1860 at Ffynnon y cwrw and is buried (I found from the sister site) at Wern Chapel. Whether there was a downturn in the mines or whether to two boys simply took the opportunity to leave the pit behind I don't know but both take different careers. Edward takes on the King's Head while Davies junior moves to Coedpoeth and becomes a grocer and, later, a butcher.
Margaret married Edward Peters, a boot and shoemaker from Ffrith. They had two daughters and I descend from the elder, Elizabeth. To cut a long story short, Edward died in 1879 and, as both girls were working in England as servants, Margaret moved from Rhiw Cottages at Llanfynnydd to the King's Head.
Edward and Mary, confusingly nee Davies, had two sons - Edward and Davies Edward. This has to be a family custom as his brother Davies also has sons named this way.
Edward Davies died in 1891 and Mary took over the tenancy. After she died, in 1896, the tenancy probably went to another family as neither son appears to have taken it on. Davies Edward died, aged 30, in 1900. My 2G Grandmother, who was blind by 1891, appears to have lived with Edward as he was a witness to her death in 1899. He was a labourer on the railway.
That's a quick summary of my info and I hope it's useful to someone.
* This turns out to be a mistake. The family were at Bwlchgwyn, Piece 2502, Schedule 83. My error was that Davies Edward Davies claimed Minera as his birthplace and that had stuck in my mind.
Keith Jackson
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Post by llosgi calch on Jun 4, 2008 5:15:07 GMT
Very interesting Keith, It is a great bonus to find a thread already on the message board concerning ancestors and better again when descendants like yourself are able to add to the story. Thanks for your info and welcome to the board.
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Post by keithj on Jun 4, 2008 7:25:28 GMT
It was my Welsh ancestry that got me into genealogy, I think. Elizabeth Peters married Walter London in 1883 and they lived in Erdington on the west side of Birmingham in a courtyard house. My Grandmother was their first in 1884, followed by three more in 1886, 1889 and 1890. At the 1891 census they're in Tamworth and Elizabeth's mother has travelled from Bwlchgwyn as Elizabeth is close to term with her fifth. Elizabeth and the baby died in childbirth.
It was the few stories my Grandmother told me sixty-odd years later that made me want to find out more about this mysterious lady. She certainly spoke Welsh as her first language because, when her sister visited they spoke it. My Grandmother, born in Birmingham and with a father from Suffolk, had never heard anything but English so ran to fetch her father "because Mother's gone mad". Such a tiny thing but it sparked an interest that's still with me.
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