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Post by davies1974 on Mar 26, 2008 17:25:57 GMT
I'm trying to find out a bit about William Morris and family from the 1851 Census. William and his son John are listed as Sawyers(for ages I thought it said Lawyer!). Does anyone know the likely location of local sawmills where they may of worked? Does anyone else have a connection to this family which they've researched (lol, to save me some work!!!)
Thanks
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Post by annedw on Mar 26, 2008 20:26:25 GMT
Do you have more names and birthyears for this family. There are quite a few Morris`s in the Wern records, I can`t see a William who was a sawyer though, but they could be related, only problem is they are mostly from Minera, New Brighton, Frondeg area. In the Salem registers - also a few Morris`s. These are from later years. 1860s to 1920s If your`s were `Church` then probably they are not this family of Morris`s
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Post by davies1974 on Mar 26, 2008 21:57:08 GMT
In the 1851 Census
18 Adwy Clawdd
William Morris (Head) 46 Sawyer Bn Bersham Ellinor Morris (Wife) 46 Bn Llanamon John Morris (Son) 18 Sawyer Bn Bersham Ann Morris (dgtr) 15 Scholar Elizabeth (dgtr) 13 Scholar Richard G Morris (son) 9 Scholar Mary Morris (dgtr) 6 Scholar
Elizabeth marries Ishmael Davies in 1861 making William Morris my g g g grandfather. The 1851 census is as far back as I've managed to trace this branch of the family.
Another thought I had as to the sawyer occupation - I read that there was once a number of paper mills in the area - would paper mills employ sawyers to prepare the wood for processing?
Thanks
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Post by davies1974 on Mar 26, 2008 22:25:52 GMT
okay, I think I may have found a bit more info !!! William Morris marries Ellinor Parry on the 7th October 1831 in Llanarmon, Caernarvon. This connection bothers me though as the 1851 census says Ellinor was from Denbighshire, Llanarmon (well the denbighshire is dittoed) not Llanarmon, Caernarvonshire but its the best fit I can find at the moment.
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Post by annedw on Mar 28, 2008 15:42:40 GMT
Can you confirm if you got the info I sent. I used the email from your Bio page details.
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Post by davies1974 on Mar 29, 2008 12:38:49 GMT
Read the email this morning - have just emailed you back - many thanks!
There's a few possible candidates in the list but an still trying to get to the bottom of where they all worshipped. I know when his daughter married Ishmael, the first of their children where baptised in a Wesleyan chapel that was by Island Green in Wrexham. Later, according to NW BMD, their son Richard Morris Davies (my g. grandfather), got married in St Giles and then in 1901 Ishmael and Elizabeths daughter marries in the Zion Chapel, Wrexham (but I haven't been able to locate where that is). Having said that, in the wern burial records on this site there is a listing for an Ishmael Davies and an I. Davies - I'm planning on going up there soon and seeing if I can get any info off the headstones.
I was trying to do this without going into the expense of buying birth and marriage certificates but I think I'm getting to a point where I may have to if I want to get any further!
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Post by annedw on Mar 29, 2008 15:11:59 GMT
www.tom-mercer-mi-indexes.org.uk/index.htmThis site is pretty useful for Non comformist research. You can X check the ref numbers to see who else is on the same stone. Most of the books themselves are in Wrexham Museum. Wern Graveyard is a bit of a jungle, I`ve been there and would say - take wellies and a scraper, I was lucky enough to find six relatives in two graves, but had to remove six inches , 120 years growth of moss first. The list on this site is for name is plot owners only. Rehoboth Coedpoeth was a Weslyan Church, I can`t be certain, but I think their registers are also in Wrexham Museum. Wrexham Marriage Index online is pretty useful as well.
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Post by eluned on Mar 29, 2008 15:37:54 GMT
No records for Rehoboth Im afraid. I have some hand written MIs compiled by the elders of the chapel years ago but they arent complete. Tom has the complete thing. It would depend what dates you require but after 1888, the Welsh Wesleyan magazines, Y Cylchgrawn are brilliant for baps, marriages and burials. There are also MIs at www.clwyd-mi.co.uk
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Post by davies1974 on Mar 30, 2008 10:01:36 GMT
Thanks! Sifting through all that info will keep me out of mischieve for a while. There's a few possibilities on Toms website and I've already found one photo of another relatives tombstone on clwyd-mi
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