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Post by annedw on Apr 2, 2007 18:07:36 GMT
Following on from the Bwlchgwyn Events, Grannys wedding thread, I`ve found Emily Jane Devaney aged 22 marriage to Joseph Jones aged 23 in 1909. He was a collier, his father was JOHN JONES a mason. Witnesses were Eva Maud Jones and Edwrd William Evans. At the time of his marriage he was living at 6 Brymbo Road , Bwlchgwyn and EmilyJane was at Wernto bach ?? I`ve tried without much luck to trace him earlier, can anyone help , this is for Emilys grandaughter Dot as much as me. We do seem to have a lot of experts on this site. ;D Also in 1910 they are at 5 Ffynuchaf ( can`t really read this ) baptism entry and in 1915 , 8 Nant Road. Any info on this family is more than welcome. Next entry Sept 22 1890 was Arthur Belton a collier of Bryn Nebo father Robert Belton. he married Edith Davies Williams of Minera house, her father was John Thomas Davies Williams deceased. Might be of use to some-one.
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Post by hilary on Apr 2, 2007 18:43:18 GMT
The Arthur Belton and Edith Davies Williams are my grandparents, you posted an account of their wedding from the Rural...magazine a few months ago - and very interesting it was, too! Edith was from Minera.
Cheers, Hilary
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Post by annedw on Apr 2, 2007 19:36:31 GMT
Well that Belton info did match some-one, now how about the Jones It was an awful thought that Josephs dad may have been a John. Seems like I was right. Can we put this on the MYSTERY ANCESTOR thread ;D??
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Post by margaret on Apr 2, 2007 19:37:41 GMT
From the 1891 Census John Jones, Mason, Age 37, b Minera Deborah Jones Wife, Age 36, b. Llandegla Mary Ellen, Daughter, Age 12, b. Minera Deborah, Daughter, Age 9, b. Minera Ann, Daughter, Age 7, b. Minera Joseph, Son, Age 4, b. Minera all living at Twenty Houses, Bwlchgwyn.
and from 1901 John Jones, Mason, Age 48 Deborah, Wife, Age 47 Annie, Age 17 Joseph, Coal Miner, Age 14 John Ed. Age 9 all living at Brymbo Road.
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Post by dschock on Apr 2, 2007 20:57:32 GMT
Thank you Annette et al. It is amazing how much information that you have come up with Now I know why the marriage was in Bwlchgwyn. Six months ago I had never even heard of Bwlchgwyn, let alone how to pronounce it! What is Wernto bach? A village? A street? I don't have that much time for research at the moment, and really, really appreciate the help. Dot
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Post by hilary on Apr 2, 2007 23:14:55 GMT
Gwernto was a farm on the other side of Nant-y-Ffrith, in Flintshire. On multimaps find Bwlchgwyn then look north and slightly north west; all that area gravitated to Bwlchgwyn for shops, etc, as it was not all that far to walk through Nant-y=Ffrith, there were plenty of paths to make it almost a straight walk. The other access is onto the Four Crosses/Liver Road and down to Four Crosses, which was once owned by the Cadwaladers - my father worked there for a short while when he first left school.
Hilary
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Post by annedw on Apr 3, 2007 12:04:04 GMT
1881 John Jones age 28 leadminer Deborah age 27 Mary Ellen age 2 all living at Pentre Bais. I wonder how many relations Dot could have still in the area. 1871 ? Mary Ellen Jones marr 56 b Ruthin Edward H Jones son 22 Quarryman b Bagillt Flint. JOHN JONES son 18 STONEMASON B MINERA living at Plas Gwyn Mount , next to Kings Head , Bwlchgwyn mountain. Could this be the right John, it would seem that he named his daughter after his mother Mary Ellen ?? What a shame the father isn`t around. The publican at the Kings Head is Alice Carrington 18 Barbara J her sister aged 14 is her general servant. I wonder if John popped in for a pint after a days work.
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Post by hilary on Apr 3, 2007 16:41:08 GMT
Hi Annette,
I'm a bit puzzled (and I've seen a strange reference like this before) was there another King's Head in what is now Gwynfryn? In 1871 the Davies family were at the Bwlchgwyn Kings Head and, generally, the Carringtons never lived in the present village of Bwlchgwyn. Plas Gwyn Mount would be a clue for me, I don't know where that was. Any ideas?
Hilary
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Post by dschock on Apr 3, 2007 19:41:26 GMT
Thanks agan to you all, and a special thanks to Annette and Margaret. Could I possibly have long lost relatives still in the area? Emily Jane left Joseph Jones when her sons were quite young, I think. Joseph must have stayed in the area, and what happened to his brothers and sisters? There must be dozens of Joneses still around! Dot
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Post by annedw on Apr 3, 2007 19:55:11 GMT
You `re very welcome Dot, just think now of all the places you have to visit when you are over here again.
FOR HILARY
1871 PARISH OF MINERA. FROM THE PREVIOUS PAGES. Berwig Cottage, Maesyffynon Cottage " " House, Old Machine Ty Hir Farm Park Farm. Park Cottage Cae Madoc Farm Gladstone Arms = Seth Roberts Plas Gwyn Melbourne Arms = Robert Thomas Tyn Y Fford Pant Y Bwlch Grocers Shop Eisteddfod Cottage Plas Gwyn Mnts Public House Kings Head = Alice Carrington Plas Gwyn Mnts JOHN JONES.
There seems to be Plas Gwyn Mnts between some of the places, I wonder if they were houses with no names , but on the Plas Gwyn Mountain. Hope this help you to track the place. If you want me to send the originals, send me your email in a private message ,
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Post by dschock on Apr 3, 2007 20:32:36 GMT
This is for Hilary: Now things are a bit more in perspective. We have always heard the name of Ffrith mentioned in relation to where Granny (Emily Jane Jones) lived.This is the first time that there is a connection! I assume that Ffrith and Nant-y-Ffrith are the same. I have just found a photo on the Internet of Gwernto Farmhouse: All derelict,desolate and in the snow. This will be a must see on my next trip. Dot
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Post by hilary on Apr 3, 2007 22:12:31 GMT
For Annette: Thanks for the help, it does look like another pub of the same name, and thanks for the offer, too, but happily I have my subs to dear old Ancestry! When I did a quick search for Alice Carrington I only found a 6 year old in Coedpoeth then I quickly whizzed off to the Bwlchgwyn King's Head.
PS, I might have some news about the naming of the Melbourne soon - I have a theory, just need to test it out!
Hilary
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Post by hilary on Apr 3, 2007 22:18:35 GMT
For Dot - there are some good pictures on that site! From Gwernto go down into Nant-y-Ffrith and follow the river through and eventually you end up in the Ffrith itself, lots of Roman connections, probably because the geological fault which created the valley exposed some of the mineral and lead veins. It would be hard to find an "original" Bwlchgwyn valley, the first waves of incomers were miners and quarrymen, then they were followed by the tradesmen, tailors, shopkeepers, church and chapels, etc as the common land was enclosed and built upon, Happy hunting! Hilary
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Post by griffith on Apr 6, 2007 16:27:29 GMT
I don't know if you're interested but I have the marriage entry of John Jones and Deborah Price (Joseph Jones' father and mother). It reads John Jones married Deborah Price 28 September 1874 at Llandegla Parish Church. The witnesses were an Edward Jones and Jane Ellen Price (Jane Ellen Price was my Great Grandmother) and Deborah Price was her sister. It would seem that Joseph was named after Deborah's father who was Joseph Price (My Great Great Grandfather)who lived in Pentre Bais. Following on from the Bwlchgwyn Events, Grannys wedding thread, I`ve found Emily Jane Devaney aged 22 marriage to Joseph Jones aged 23 in 1909. He was a collier, his father was JOHN JONES a mason. Witnesses were Eva Maud Jones and Edwrd William Evans. At the time of his marriage he was living at 6 Brymbo Road , Bwlchgwyn and EmilyJane was at Wernto bach ?? I`ve tried without much luck to trace him earlier, can anyone help , this is for Emilys grandaughter Dot as much as me. We do seem to have a lot of experts on this site. ;D Also in 1910 they are at 5 Ffynuchaf ( can`t really read this ) baptism entry and in 1915 , 8 Nant Road. Any info on this family is more than welcome. Next entry Sept 22 1890 was Arthur Belton a collier of Bryn Nebo father Robert Belton. he married Edith Davies Williams of Minera house, her father was John Thomas Davies Williams deceased. Might be of use to some-one.
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Post by dschock on Apr 6, 2007 20:52:28 GMT
To Griffiths: Thanks. Now I have another piece of the puzzle. I could not find Deborah's maiden name. Are you in any way related to them? Thanks again and Happy Easter! Dot
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Post by dschock on Apr 6, 2007 20:58:35 GMT
Sorry I did not read it correctly: the bit about Deborah Price being your Great Grandmother. So we are distant relatives. She is my Great Grandmother too! Dot (and Jones was my maiden name)
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Post by shedevil on Apr 7, 2007 12:58:13 GMT
Some interesting information there It seems that there is a possibility that Ellen Price who was the wife of Joseph Price of Llandegla born c 1819 could possibly have been Eleanor Lloyd who was my 3rd Great Grand Aunt
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Post by shedevil on Apr 7, 2007 20:06:48 GMT
Hi again Catherine Lloyd born c 1827 was the sister of Eleanor (Ellen Lloyd) she had 4 other siblings Edward born C1825 who married Elizabeth Jones C1853 Catherine Lloyd Born C1827 Married Evan Davies C1848 Hugh Lloyd (my 3rd Great Grandfather) born c1832 married Anne Price in 1858 Deborah Lloyd born C 1831 married John Jones C 1869 John Lloyd born C1837 married Sarah Jones C1862
The parents of the 6 mentioned above are Ellis Lloyd born 1794 in llanfair Dryffin Clwyd and Mary Jones born around 1800 in Cerrigydrudion they were married on 24/04/1824 in cerrigydrudion and their main place of residence until their deaths was Pant Dedwyd Gwyddlewern Merionethshire
Hope this is of some use to you
If you believe that they are the same family I am more than happy to share information I have on Ellens siblings descendents
Tracey
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Post by shedevil on Apr 7, 2007 21:49:26 GMT
I don't want to take over the original thread here but like yourself I do not have much information on my Price and Lloyd side either If you noticed my 3rd great grandfather married an Anne Price, who was born in Llangwm any relation to your Price i wonder and they had a son named Griffith Price Lloyd odd don't you think Unfortunately the only person who would have possibly have known anything would have been my Nan but sadly she died in 1999, What I can try to do though is try and get some info on Jane Ellen, I live in Cheshire myself so will try and see what i can find As far as i am aware there are still a few Lloyd descendent's living in the wrexham area, I did not know them myself and missed out on the opportunity to meet them when my Nan was living due to my selfish teenage years and not wanting to visit relatives back then. Have you tried looking around the graves at St Tecla's church in Llandegla ?? I was there last august and by chance stumbled across the graves of my Owens ancestors who are buried on the right hand side of the church I was not looking for any Prices back then as my Lloyd's died in Wrexham and they were born in cerrigydrudion and Llangwm so there was no point at that time. I'm sure with a little more help we can try and solve your puzzle on what happened to Jane Ellen after 1881 Tracey ;D Seeing as your a Cousin of mine I'm only too happy to help
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Post by annedw on Apr 9, 2007 12:56:08 GMT
David Price Bwlchgwyn John Price Rhosllanrchrugog John Price Mwynglawdd James Price Tan y fron, Frondeg. These are all registered as plot owners at Wern Chapel Graveyard.
This is a non comformist chapel No details on burials in the graves.
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