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Post by annedw on Aug 21, 2008 11:25:50 GMT
From todays Daily Post. www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2008/08/21/can-you-help-solve-wrexham-tapestry-death-riddle-55578-21575808/A tapestry was found in a bag of clothes donated to Claire House Hospice . It is a poem telling the story of Peter Jones, who died 13 March 1889 in a pit explosion. Strangely I saw this story on a site I added to the LINKS thread a couple of weeks ago. www.welshcoalmines.co.uk/Photo.htmPeter was only 15,and it was Brynmally colliery, so I guess it would be a sister maybe who made it. Part of it reads. " Goodbye Mother, goodbye father,these are the words poor Peter said, As he left his home one morning, to go and earn his daily bread, Now he is standing for the pit mouth,welcome both by great and small, Some are saying, come on Peter, you are welcome by us all." It`s undecided yet what is to be done with the tapestry, whether to donate it to a museum , auction it or try to trace the family and return it Does anyone know who Peter may have belonged to, some body loved and missed him enough to have done this.
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Post by eluned on Aug 21, 2008 14:35:01 GMT
What a wonderful part of someones family history It would be nice to see it going to the museum as a paece of local history for everyone. I guess that the coroners report and obituary would be the best place to start a search if it was decided to look for family members. There aren't many Peter Jones b.1874 in the Wrexham area in 1881, but was he born locally? An auction wouldn't be my choice either
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Post by annedw on Aug 21, 2008 15:13:13 GMT
I found now from the Times online, Peter was from the Cerney, the top part of the Moss A shortened and simplified version of events. There was explosion of gas in the deepest part where what is known as Queen coal is worked at about 3pm in the afternoon. Before long many people had gathered waiting for news, and the overlooker of the pit, Mr Robert Parry and other went down to recover bodies and give help to who may have survived. Amongst who gave assistance were Mr T H Clayton, son of the proprieter, Mr J Powell, manager of Vron colliery, Mr Millington of the Ffrwd colliery and Mr Ellis Evans of Westminster colliery. By 11.15 pm the last of dead had been brought up making a total of 20. List of names from the Times. Occupation and age comes from the Welsh coal mine site. James Davies a boy, Halcoc-k. Waggoner age 14. Edward W Edwards a boy, Brymbo. Waggoner age 14. William Kendrick a young man , Cerney. Thomas Edwards a married man ( who leaves a large family) Cerney. Charter Master age 40 Thomas Davies a boy ,Pentre. Pony driver age 16. Harry Tudor ( Henry) a single man Cae Penty. Jigger age 17 Samuel Millington a boy, Moss Filler age 18. Peter Griffiths a young man, Cerney, Filler age 22 Evan Williams married Cerney, Collier age 53. Robert Thomas Edwards son of Thomas Edwards, Filler age 17 Arthur Thomas a boy, Cerney, Filler age 17 Thomas Jones a young man, Cerney, Collier age 42. Edward Rowland a boy, Halcoc-k Hooker -on age 14. Joseph Williams a boy , Cerney. Pony driver age 15. Peter Jones a boy, Cerney, Bye - man age 15. Charles Hughes a boy, Moss, Waggoner age 14. Henry Garston married, Windy Hill, Charter Master age 50. Thomas Williams married, Frith, Collier age 33. Hugh Jones married, Mount Pleasant, Broughton. Bye-man age 48. Thomas Jarvis a boy, Pentre, Filler age 20. Names of those who were recued alive. John Davies, Charter master, Hallcoc-k. Sam Mathias a boy, Green, Brymbo. Henry Griffiths a boy, Ffrith. The naughty word thingy has struck again , I`ve had to put a - through Halthingy. Where was Halcoc-k ? I can`t find it, but had an idea it was around Oswestry, St Martins area.
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Post by eluned on Aug 21, 2008 16:47:18 GMT
Could this be him?
Brake Side, Broughton George Jones H M 50 carpenter b.Llangollen Ellenor " W M 49 housekeeper b.Wrexham Alfred " Son Un 23 collier b.Mold George Ll " " " 22 " b." Thomas " " " 21 " b." Jane " dau 13 scholar b.Wrexham Robert " son 11 " b." Samuel " " 8 " b." Peter E. " 6 " b." Elizabeth dau 3 " b." Robert Roberts boarder 21 collier b. Ruthin.
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Post by hilary on Aug 21, 2008 17:39:56 GMT
Mum tells me that Halcog, Cerney and Clayton Road are not far from Green Road, Brymbo, up the hill towards the transmitter.
Hilary
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Post by annedw on Aug 21, 2008 18:01:39 GMT
I spotted that one as well Lynn, but didn`t know where he was from at the time. The Brake is very close to Cerney, if fact Brake Chapel is/was only about a hundred yards from what used to be Cerney Mission. I think you are right , we`ll have to see if he`s still around or not in 1891. I found a Peter Jones on Tom Mercers site, in one of the Broughton chapels, and have asked him to see if it might be him. The only thing is , BMD and Tom have him as just Peter, not Peter E. Still quite unusual. Hilary, Halcog, that`s a new one for me, I know Clayton Road, that leads past the old Cerney Mission to the Transmitter. I went up there a few weeks ago, the view was amazing. I walked from the old footpath at the bottom of Windy Hill where it meets the road to Brymbo. There is an old mine shaft there. It brings you down to the top of Moss Valley Golf Course, very steep , good for the thighs ;D ;D ;D
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Post by eluned on Aug 21, 2008 20:40:07 GMT
I shall have to try again! This family including Peter are in the 1891.
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Post by hilary on Aug 21, 2008 23:00:26 GMT
If you Google Halcog, one of the results is from Nigel Stapley's page www.thejudge.me.uk/Not_blog/Pictures/Gal_pg_s0007.htm , I found the name first on a Wrexham website. My mother used to work for the Inland Revenue Valuation Office and Halcog, Cerney and Clayton Road were all part of her "patch", so she knew her way around there very well. It is a lovely view from the top! Hilary
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Post by eluned on Aug 22, 2008 7:51:47 GMT
Hi Hilary, Looks a good site, I love the Brymbo photos. My Evans' moved to Brymbo from Coedpoeth. Lynn
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Post by sceptrelady on Aug 22, 2008 20:49:30 GMT
Thanks for the link Hilary. After reading through his site, I think I'm in love with Nigel - or at least his wonderful irreverent sense of humour ;D ;D The line re the incompetence of the Wrexham council and the swimming pool being inches short of OLYMPIC STANDARD cracked me up completely! Heather
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Post by hilary on Aug 22, 2008 21:40:00 GMT
Glad you enjoyed it! It's become quite a modern archive - with a sense of humour, I agree. Hilary
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Post by annedw on Aug 23, 2008 7:04:52 GMT
The link to the map is OK as well, I noticed all the road names,even though I live in the area, I didn`t know them. very useful. Looking at the places the men killed lived in, it was a long walk to work each day, in a very hilly area, We still havn`t found who Peter was though have we.
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Post by hilary on Aug 23, 2008 20:35:21 GMT
I can't find him either, the only way would be to order the certificate: Peter Jones, died in the Mar Q of 1889 at Wrexham 11b 219.
Hilary
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Post by annedw on Aug 28, 2008 15:02:29 GMT
Peter Jones was buried in Brake Chapel , Wesleyan E. He lived at Cross`s Row, Cerney. There is no entry in Brake Burial Register for him and this info came from the Wrexham Advertiser. There was however another Peter Jones of Cerney aged 5 months buried in Brake on 21 Nov 1891. Could he have been a brother named after our Peter. STILL don`t know who his parents were.
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Post by eluned on Aug 28, 2008 16:00:14 GMT
It is possible him being Wesleyan that his burial may be in the Cylchgrawn. But with it being an English speaking chapel, I'm not too sure. The A.N. Palmer centre have them from 1888 and they are in 3 month sections. You usually have to search past the quarter in which someone died. Is he in the MIs? If he isn't in the burial register, would that mean the service was held elsewhere?
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Post by annedw on Aug 28, 2008 17:35:17 GMT
Lynn , the Brake burial register was very peculier, there were whole years missing, and big gaps of about ten pages , then one or two entries on a page here and there. Also two other men were buried there that had died with Peter , but also not in the register. BUT, and I`m grinning like a Cheshire Cat ;D ;D ;D I am almost as sure as I can be that I`ve found him. I went back to your 1881 for Peter E Jones and looked for Cross`s Row. There was a very large family of Cross`s. so I noted them and then looked for them in 1891. They were still in the area, and a couple of pages later I found the Jones, Dad named Peter. It`s all here. Peter Jones I am 99.99% sure this is `our` Peter. He is the right age in 1881, but when you look at the same family in 1891 they have moved to the area that Peter was living when he died. They must have moved after 1884 because youngest son Samuel was born in Mold. Daniel is also a collier. 1881 Victoria Terrace Mold. Peter Jones head Tailor 51 born Mold Sarah Jones wife 44 born Burton John Jones tin worker 20 born Mold Thomas Jones coal miner 18 “ Elizabeth Jones 15 “ Robert Jones 12 “ Daniel Jones 9 “ Peter Jones 6 “ Ann J Jones 3 “ Rebecca Jones 1 “ 1891 Castle Town , Broughton. Same area as Cerney. Peter Jones head Tailor 60 b Mold Sarah Jones 54 b Burton Daniel Jones collier 18 Ann Jane Jones 13 Rebecca Jones 11 Samuel Jones 7 b Mold
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Post by eluned on Aug 31, 2008 16:36:43 GMT
What a very clever girl you are Annette, well done Looks like they went back to Mold cos 1901, Wesley Place, Mold Peter Jones H M 70 tailor own account, at home, B.Mold Sarah " W M 66 B.B(urt)on Samuel " Son S 17 tin ----- B.Mold Would be great to find a descendant
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Post by peterwilliams on Oct 8, 2008 12:37:40 GMT
I have just realised that the Henry Garston on the list of deaths is a relative of mine. His brother William, was my great-grandfather.
Can somebody tell me where Windy Hill is - a charter master in a colliery according to Rootschat led a gang of colliers.
I gather there are still Garston's around in N Wales, Leeswood area perhaps, and lots are buried in Pontblyddyn Church yard.
William moved to Lancashire in the late 1880's to work in the mines there (perhaps N Wales was going through a bad period) and I am in touch with Garston descendants there.
is there any more news of what is happening to the tapestry?
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Post by tominera on Oct 8, 2008 20:15:32 GMT
Hi Peter, Windy Hill is between Glyon Lane-Brymbo and Summerhill--Just a rough guide to give you an idea. However I have Garstons in my wifes family tree and your William is also the GG grandfather of one who married her cousin. I have quite a lot on the Garstons if you wish to share. Regards Tom
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Post by annedw on Oct 8, 2008 21:18:47 GMT
Windy Hill = and it is very ;D ;D ;D about 15 mins walk from me, a wonderful view over Cheshire and the Wirral. There are Garstons living in Hope / Caergwrle area, a father and son have a lot to do with historical re-enactments. Nothing more in the press lately about the tapestry
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Post by margaret on Nov 7, 2008 20:27:55 GMT
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Post by annedw on Nov 7, 2008 21:38:51 GMT
Thats good news,for it to stay in the area, I wonder how it found it`s way to Bromborough, If I found something as interesting as that , it certainly wouldn`t go to a charity shop.
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Post by annedw on Jul 10, 2012 14:54:41 GMT
I found today that my husbands Gt Gt Grandfather died in this disaster along with his 17 year old son. Brymbo burials. Thomas Edwards aged 40 & Robert Thomas Edwards aged 17 buried 19 March 1889.
How very sad.
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Post by pierce on Jul 10, 2012 21:17:48 GMT
Go to this web site of the North Wales Miming Disasters. Gives a full list of those who died, a report on the accident and the subsequent coroner's findings : NWMAT North Wales Mining Disasters North Wales Mining Disasters. Coal Mining History & Resource Centre. In the period between 1806-1924 there were a number of mining disasters in the North ...
northwalesminers.com/info/articles/miningdisasters.htm - Cached
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